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trotsky

08-02-2008, 01:48 PM

Yes...my 3rd test too and each one has been different.

Here (http://rs1.media.ci.portland.or.us:22 59/ramgen/archives/pfr1.rm)is a link to the video of the CPAT that Portland has on their website. Looks pretty much similar to others out there.

My leg is much better. Thanks for asking.

I believe they said some time in mid August (15th maybe?) but if we haven't heard by August 31 we should contact HR. Fingers crossed Good luck everyone.

I heard they are hiring maybe 200 off this list so I guess this is the one to be on :)

GoCougs

08-02-2008, 04:38 PM

Their CPAT is way different then other departments. I would be surprised if we got our results in 2 weeks. Trotsky, where did you hear 200 people? That is a crap load of people. In the other thread Nozzleman or pro300 said that only 125 are eligible for retirement this year. It would be awsome if they hired that many but I will believe that when I see it

Nozzleman25

08-02-2008, 05:40 PM

Hate to burst anyones bubble but we aren't going to hire 200 off these lists. For one hiring is actually slowing down a bit, going back to 12 person groups. We hire approx every three months. That works out to 48 per year, which if you look at the past numbers that is close to what we have been doing. We were doing groups of 16 trying to get the numbers up that we needed. If you look at our seniority list you will see that approx 3/4 of the bureau has less than 15 years.

We don't use CPAT for a PAT, ours is our own, some ways tougher than CPAT and some ways easier. I highly recommend that when you get close to taking it you take advantage of the practice sessions that they usually offer. It isn't hard but for the inexperienced it can cause a problem once in awhile. The time standard is a bit tight if you have a problem or two along the way. So use the practice sessions to learn it and know where you will need to make up time.

Fatkid4

08-02-2008, 07:49 PM

Hey Nozzleman25, Thanks for the info and participation. It's great to have you on here!

I've been hearing different numbers from different sources. One thing that has been fairly consistant is that there are about 150 FF eligable for retirement at this moment. With each passing year that number grows. Based on that, it seems like Portland will need to hire more than 48/year.

How long will this hiring list be good for? Should those not hired this year prepare to go through the same process next year?

What was the total number of applicants? I have heard from 20,000 to 2,400. Didn't they say 3,000 at the test? I counted about 1,500 for the early test, so that would make sense to me.

It's funny, because I have slow buddies that say the test was easy and sharp buddies that don't feel very comfortable with the test. I can't wait for the results!

Nozzleman25

08-03-2008, 02:03 AM

I just went through the seniority list and going off this list being good till 2010 that makes everyone hired 1985 and earlier eligible to retire. This doesn't take into account those that aren't 50 years old. So just going off those numbers there will be 149 eligible to retire. Now if the list goes a bit longer into 2011 then you can add those hired in 1986, that is 22 more. Then there weren't any hired in 97. So best case scenario is 171. That is if everyone eligible to retire does so which doesn't happen. A lot will stay longer than 25 and some won't be old enough. I counted the personnel, some will look at the seniority list and take the oldest number and then go to the first eligible number and subtract, this doesn't work because the numbers don't line up because of retirements previously. The list's are normally good for about 2 years.

As far as hiring I think the best we do is 64 per year, the reason being is they have found that if the groups get to big it creates to many problems. So they prefer to hire groups of 12 but have done groups of 16.

As far as how many took the test, what we were told is 1500 signed up for the trainee test and 100 for the Firefighter test. Hope that helps.

chingon

08-03-2008, 04:41 PM

100 (one hundred) for the FF/EMT test? That can't be right.

Do you mean 1,000 (one thousand)?

trotsky

08-03-2008, 05:17 PM

Well I guess my sources weren't as reliable as I thought. Thanks for the heads up Nozzleman.

You said 100 for the EMT test...I am wondering how the % works for hiring off each list. Do they just go with the best candidates regardless of the list they are on or do they hire a certain percentage from the EMT list and the Trainee list?

Nozzleman25

08-03-2008, 11:08 PM

100 (one hundred) for the FF/EMT test? That can't be right.

Do you mean 1,000 (one thousand)?

Yeah thats a typo, it should have said 1000

Nozzleman25

08-03-2008, 11:09 PM

trotsky

08-07-2008, 02:31 AM

Since they changed the written test this year to a new format do you think they will do something different with the oral interviews?

GoCougs

08-09-2008, 09:47 PM

I dont think that they are having Oral Boards this year

Nozzleman25

08-10-2008, 12:53 PM

I dont think that they are having Oral Boards this year

There is still some discussion about what they are going to do, might still happen.

DonSmithnotTMD

08-10-2008, 01:36 PM

Or send the letters out on time. I got mine the day after the test

3rdFloor

08-11-2008, 12:14 PM

There is still some discussion about what they are going to do, might still happen.

Nozzleman25 is correct -- there's some discussion, but as of this moment orals are still planned.

(note: I'm not a firefighter. I just report directly to the Fire Chief.)

trotsky

08-11-2008, 12:44 PM

We appreciate the information. Thanks

GoCougs

08-12-2008, 01:08 AM

Or send the letters out on time. I got mine the day after the test

What letter did you get? Your results already?

trotsky

08-12-2008, 02:02 AM

What letter did you get? Your results already?
I think he is talking about the last time around. Seems he may have gotten his test notification after the test date :confused:

chawk12

08-13-2008, 03:06 AM

So thought you guys might get a kick out of the fact I spent $700 to fly out and take the test only to notice at one point I was off on my answering of questions by one and had been answereing that way for several questions before I noticed. I think I was able to correct it properly before the test ended, but we shall see. It was an area of the test that I had passed before so I have been stressed out since the 1st. Inhale sigh. What can you do?

Fatkid4

08-13-2008, 12:09 PM

GaiusPaul

08-13-2008, 07:01 PM

chawk12, my buddy did the same. Funny stuff. I'm sure you were able to correct it. :)

jcheeetham

08-14-2008, 05:39 PM

Anyone know when we will get our test results back?

When will they decide on oral boards or not?

I guess its oral boards or just a straight ranking off the test.

GaiusPaul

08-14-2008, 05:47 PM

From the other Portland thread:

I just walked down the hall and asked the recruiter. Word is: Letters should go out next week. If you haven't heard by September 2, call.

jcheeetham

08-15-2008, 03:16 AM

Oral board or no oral board?

3rdFloor

08-15-2008, 05:48 PM

Oral board or no oral board?

"Still discussing it" was the last official word from down the hall.

Sorry not to be more helpful, but I don't even have a fresh crop of rumors to report!

jcheeetham

08-18-2008, 05:06 PM

So, if they are still discussing it, then it is likely we wont receive our letters till late next week. Right?

3rdFloor

08-18-2008, 05:47 PM

So, if they are still discussing it, then it is likely we wont receive our letters till late next week. Right?
There's no way I'm going to speculate on HR timing or the mysteries thereof!

All I can do is say that letters should go out this week. (The italics got lost in the quote box a couple of posts back. SHOULD go out.)

I've updated PF&R's home page and the "firefighting" tab with the same info -- and if I learn anything factual and new, I'll post it here, too.

jcheeetham

08-19-2008, 01:49 AM

Thanks for the quick responses and information.

trotsky

08-19-2008, 01:57 AM

Sometimes the hardest part about testing is the waiting. Thanks for the info 3rd floor.

3rdFloor

08-19-2008, 12:28 PM

Sometimes the hardest part about testing is the waiting.

Believe me, I'm sympathetic. I reallyREALLY wanted this job and to work for PF&R -- and it's difficult to be zen about the whole thing when you've given it your best shot and oh, it's only your whole life on the line.

For what it's worth, I just talked to the Training Chief, and he says they're still waiting on HR.

I guess the good news is, your letters haven't gotten lost in the mail.

jcheeetham

08-19-2008, 02:27 PM

So how does that work exactly?

Training Chief and HR.

How does that process work?

HR sends out the letters and Training Chief approves?

3rdFloor

08-19-2008, 05:35 PM

A caveat before I say anything: I'm not speaking officially -- I'm not part of the hiring/testing/decision process -- so you're getting my understanding of how this works.

As I understand it (note above: not speaking officially), the test results went to HR. HR still has the test results. HR is supposed to mail letters.

Just to make things more fun, HR is an entirely separate entity from PF&R. I figure (note above: not speaking officially) that the Training Chief probably has the best leverage with HR, so that's who I asked for an update this morning.

Perhaps one of the folks on the line can weigh in on this, since they've been through it?

jcheeetham

08-19-2008, 06:31 PM

I am curious what the letter will say. Will it give your ranking number or say Congratulations or say thank you, but no thank you?

If they do give you a ranking number, you better be in the top one hundred to have a chance, right?

Jwarne2001

08-19-2008, 08:43 PM

Let me preface this by saying that I am still in training (getting ready to move to T2) so while I am working in a station, I am still in training. But the old process is pretty fresh in my mind.

My memory of entrance exams:

After the written test, there was correspondence regarding questions that were either challenged or thrown out. After about 3 weeks, we got our first letters that said one of two things: 1.) "Congrats, you will move on to the next step, the oral board. Your interview is scheduled for XXXX." 2.) "Thank you for your interest in PF&R. Your score of XXXX was not above the minimum required to move on in the process."

A couple of months went by between the written and the Oral Board. After the Oral Board process (which was a marathon if I remember correctly....they interviewed hundreds of candidates and it took weeks), it took about 8 weeks to get results back from there. That letter either gave you your number on the list or the "thanks but try again."

After that, it was just waiting for them to call your number on the list. That took probably about 8-9 months for me....but things moved very fast after that. Within 3 weeks, I had my Chief's interview, PAT, physical & drug screen and was notified of my start date.

With the process being different this time (FireTeam Video test), I'm not sure if any of these timelines will translate to this process. The website does confirm info that 3rd Floor has provided here.

jcheeetham

08-20-2008, 02:33 AM

Thanks. Great info. Sounds like a big waiting game. Im up for it.

megakarl99

08-20-2008, 01:58 PM

TVFR9923

08-20-2008, 04:54 PM

Anyone have any idea as far as tentative start dates for the academies? That should give us a good sense of a timeline for the rest of the hiring process. I know the departments here in phoenix take about 7 months from written test to start date, but they have a lot more candidates to sift through. 3rdfloor, if you talk to the Training Chief he should have an idea of when the first academy is set to start.

I don't work for Portland, so I am sure if I screw this up some one will staighten me out!:D I do work in Training at another Dept so I am familiar with some of the logistics envolved. Our Ops Division forcasts when we need to have accademies and then gives that info to our Training Div. for scheduling. Portland may be different, I don't know.

Anyway.... sounds like Jwarne2001 is getting ready to move to T2 for three months after being on E2 for three months. If that's accurate, that accademy will go to the line to regular stations around the end November I think. I would guess you've got a few months to wait for the next accademy to start. I would be suprised if they started a new accademy with one still in play. I could be all wet on this, too! Good luck guys, it would be a great place to work.:cool:

GaiusPaul

08-20-2008, 06:43 PM

TVFR9923, off topic, but do you happen to know if TVFR is going to have an open hire next fall? I start my volunteer academy here in a couple weeks and hope to get the chance to get hired as paid.

trotsky

08-20-2008, 07:08 PM

TVFR9923... do you happen to know if TVFR is going to have an open hire next fall?

Exactly what I was going to ask :)

TVFR9923

08-20-2008, 07:10 PM

TVFR9923, off topic, but do you happen to know if TVFR is going to have an open hire next fall? I start my volunteer academy here in a couple weeks and hope to get the chance to get hired as paid.

Last I heard our list still valid. I don't know if it will get used all up or if we will test again before hiring our next paid accademy. Good luck in the volunteer accademy. Your fire science classes you've posted about should be helpful to you.

FireWA1

08-20-2008, 07:47 PM

Just out of curiosity. Any idea of how many people that were under the age of 21 took the test? I have been trying to think of something to say besides when do we get or results. I just want to know how I did.

Nozzleman25

08-21-2008, 02:32 PM

First off I would be surprised if you hear anything much before the end of the month. HR is notorious for saying results will be out in 2 weeks and it never happens. PF and R really doesn't have much control over the testing process, we help proctor it but HR is who handles results and notifications and they are terribly inefficient (my opinion).

As far as having a ranking when you get notified, hard to say. If it was the old process you would get your first letter letting you know if you passed the written and a date for a Oral board and then if on the FF/Paramedic list you would get a ranking. FF/Trainee list doesn't get ranked. With them possibly not doing Orals this time it is anyone's guess right now what else the process will involve.

As far as dates for academies, we are hiring pretty consistent every three months or so, and we still have current lists that they can hire off. Process is that once a crew leaves TAC (training academy 40 hr work week) and goes to 2's a new crew is hired shortly there after. It goes TAC, E2 then T2. all separate academies, but close together. If that makes sense.

3Rd floor has good connections working up there, so tehy may be able to get you some info when it comes available.

Hope that helps and any other questions as always feel free to ask

jcheeetham

08-21-2008, 03:01 PM

Please explain what this means again:

"TAC, E2 then T2"

Nozzleman25

08-21-2008, 03:06 PM

Please explain what this means again:

"TAC, E2 then T2"

That is the training sequence, You will start in TAC on a 40hr work week. I honestly don't remember how long that is but I think it is around 3 months. You will then move to Engine 2 also about 3 months, if you pass finals you will then move to Truck 2 another 3 months. If passed you will then move out to the company's to complete probation. Probation period is 1 year from when your sworn in. This is the process for the FF/paramedic list, the process for the trainee list is a couple more months at TAC.

Back to the original post I made since it may not be clear, A group will be hired and start in TAC. When they move to the next step another group is hired to replace them. So you have an academy that was hired together in each step of the process usually. If that makes sense.

GaiusPaul

08-21-2008, 03:13 PM

Please explain what this means again:

"TAC, E2 then T2"

The process is outlined on the Portland Fire website: http://www.portlandonline.com/fire/index.cfm?c=47767&a=207238

3rdFloor

08-21-2008, 03:48 PM

New news, folks, and please don't shoot the messenger:

Letters should go out August 27. If you have not received a letter by September 2 (longer, if you're out of the Portland Metro area), please call the recruiter.

trotsky

08-21-2008, 03:54 PM

Can anyone confirm that the PAT is scheduled for Sept 15th? I know someone who works in a support position for PF&R who said they were preparing for this date.

3rdFloor

08-21-2008, 03:54 PM

More news:

There will not be an initial oral interview for the Trainee list. The physical agility test is next. Recruit applicants go straight to the ranked list.

(Time to update the web site!)

3rdFloor

08-21-2008, 03:57 PM

Can anyone confirm that the PAT is scheduled for Sept 15th? I know someone who works in a support position for PF&R who said they were preparing for this date.
All I've got on that one is: It's part of the August 27 mailing.

trotsky

08-21-2008, 04:02 PM

All I've got on that one is: It's part of the August 27 mailing.

Ok thanks. I'm starting a new job and want to make sure I get the time off for the PAT.

GaiusPaul

08-21-2008, 04:06 PM

3rdFloor, thanks a bunch for the updates. :)

jcheeetham

08-21-2008, 05:08 PM

trotsky

08-21-2008, 05:13 PM

OK, im getting a little confused.

Are they calling the FF/EMT/Paramedic applicants "Recruits" and the others "trainees"?

So no oral board for both?

Just a ranked list from the test for FF/EMT/Paramedics?

That's what I understand from it all. Here is what the PF&R site says:

Recruits (http://www.portlandonline.com/fire/index.cfm?c=47767&a=207238)

Trainees (http://www.portlandonline.com/fire/index.cfm?c=47767&a=207237)

jcheeetham

08-21-2008, 05:15 PM

OK, so final word is a ranked list from the test for FF/Paramedics?

Ouch...

GoCougs

08-22-2008, 01:25 AM

Sounds like a bunch of good info. 3rdfloor do you know if they are hiring anymore off of the 2006 Trainee list? Im still hoping that they are but would be ok if they didnt.

TVFR, do you know if they plan on having another academy or CPAT for that matter for the 2006 list? I have a friend who works at Aloha headquaters but he hasn't been able to get a concrete answer on that for me.

pro300

08-22-2008, 01:54 AM

TAC is 16 weeks long. you work 4 10 hour days and have fri sat and sun to recover from the weeks activities and study for the upcoming tests. if i remember right E2 and T2 were around 28-29 shifts, so just under 3 month each.

i would imagine that they will still hire off the current lists until the new lists are established, which will still take some time as they will need to run everybody through the physical agility before creating the new list.

i agree with nozzleman25 that things are never on time. but the letters will come eventually.

whatbrown

08-22-2008, 04:02 PM

I just got the results from the test. My score was not high enough to move on in the trainee program. Good luck to all of you.

GaiusPaul

08-22-2008, 05:30 PM

I just got the results from the test. My score was not high enough to move on in the trainee program. Good luck to all of you.

Sorry to hear that whatbrown.

*calls wife to have her check the mail*

Edit: I made it to the PAT. :D

chawk12

08-22-2008, 06:52 PM

Where are you guys from that you got your results already? Are you both in the Portland area or out of state?

GaiusPaul

08-22-2008, 06:54 PM

chawk12, I tested for the trainee program. I'm in Beaverton. I assume the ranked list is still planning on going out on the 27th as 3rdFloor advised.

FireWA1

08-22-2008, 07:21 PM

I just ran out to the mail box to see if I got it. But sadly no letter. I just hope I get it before next Friday. I'm heading out of town that day. I thought the website said they were not being mailed till the 27th?

pietpompies

08-22-2008, 07:28 PM

GaiusPaul

What date, time and place are you sheduled to take the PAT? I am from out of state and trying to get all my ducks in a row. Congrats!!

whatbrown

08-22-2008, 08:08 PM

I'm in West Linn which is a suburb of Portland. I wish they would have told me how I did on the test and in what percentile I finished. All I know is that however I did, it wasn't good enough.

Fatkid4

08-22-2008, 08:29 PM

Congrats GaiusPaul! I got the same news. So now it's the PAT and a Chief's selection interview.

Sorry to hear your results Whatbrown. Stick with it!

By the way, I'm in Portland.

megakarl99

08-22-2008, 09:25 PM

trotsky

08-22-2008, 09:30 PM

It seems the letters received are all trainees. I am on the recruit list and got nothing in the mail today. I am patiently waiting for the 27th to get here :confused:

Fatkid4

08-22-2008, 09:35 PM

To those that have received letters:

Is it just the trainees, or the recruits as well?

This is confirming there is no first round oral interviews?

What are the dates you are seeing for the CPAT?

I'm sure I have bit more painful waiting to do way down here in phoenix...

No dates for CPAT other than Sept/Oct for practice CPAT.

I applied for trainee program.

Regarding first round oral interviews, the letter says after the CPAT is a Chief's selection Interview. I don't know if that will be the same for recruits.

Hang in there. They're coming.

FireWA1

08-23-2008, 09:21 PM

Well I got mine today!!! So far so good. I'm moving on to the PAT. From what I can tell the PAT wont be till late September or October. But I would not bet my life on that information. Good luck to every one else.

By the way I live up in Seattle and I believe I am a trainee if I remember correctly.

Nozzleman25

08-24-2008, 02:00 AM

Here's some good news of you that are testing. A lot of retirements are a possability in January. They have changed how our pension is calculated and a couple other things and it is beneficial to anyone who was thinking of retiring in the next year and a half to go in Jan. I don't remember the entire reasoning behind it but that is the ultra condensed version. Not that it will increase the amount we can hire at a time but it may create spots earlier.

GoCougs

08-24-2008, 02:23 AM

Well thats good to know, hopefully that will make PF&R have bigger classes in the academy.

You get anyone good in the draft?

ogomez

08-24-2008, 04:44 PM

The number per class really can't be increased much more than what it has been, about 12-16 due to staffing, equipment and grounds space. Like the mysterious Nozzleman said (no reply to my emails dude) more slots later on from this list if the retiremens happen like we think.

Nozzleman25

08-25-2008, 02:30 AM

Ogomez, I didn't get any emails. Send me a PM.

Like Ogomez said, class size really won't change. 12 works about the best, 16 is possible but that is the max. We have done bigger and as intensive as our training is it just creates problems.

FireWA1

08-26-2008, 02:38 AM

I have a question which I'm not sure that has been asked or not. But does anyone know what the cut off for the PAT was? Did they take anyone who passed or just a set amount of people?

Nozzleman25

08-26-2008, 09:52 AM

PAT is pass fail, if you pass it you move on to the next step.

3rdFloor

08-26-2008, 12:27 PM

A quick update from the Recruiter: Trainee letters did go out early, and Recruit letters are still on track to go out tomorrow.

(If you live outside of the metro area and are holding your breath waiting for mail, remember that Monday is a holiday!)

trotsky

08-26-2008, 12:51 PM

I have a question which I'm not sure that has been asked or not. But does anyone know what the cut off for the PAT was? Did they take anyone who passed or just a set amount of people?

You can read all about the PAT on the website, here (http://www.portlandonline.com/shared/cfm/image.cfm?id=172102)is a PDF I got from there. As nozzleman said...it is pass fail. You have 8.02 minutes to finish the 9 exercises. If you do it in 8.01 it makes no difference, you will move on the same as the guy who did it in 4.03

GaiusPaul

08-26-2008, 12:59 PM

But....if the recruiters are watching, they could easily note the ones that are struggling, and the ones that are really pushing it.

FireWA1

08-27-2008, 12:39 AM

I was not so much asking if it was pass or fail but if anyone knew or had an idea about the cut off point for the written to move onto the PAT. Like the minimum score of XX.X% or X amount of people. But thank you anyways for the information.

jcheeetham

08-27-2008, 02:23 PM

Any recruits get notification yet?

Fatkid4

08-27-2008, 09:11 PM

Just got notification that my PAT and interview is scheduled for the end of October. It's go time!!!

trotsky

08-27-2008, 09:47 PM

Just got notification that my PAT and interview is scheduled for the end of October. It's go time!!!

Congrats Fatkid. nothing in the mail for me just now...will see what posty brings tomorrow

Fatkid4

08-27-2008, 09:57 PM

Hang in there Trotsky. I have heard of one recruite receiving a no pass letter, and i don't believe it. I really don't think you guys will get your letters until tomorrow at the earliest.

I wish you the best bro! I would like to meet you in the academy. You'll be the guy with a limp, right.... I have a feeling the ankle won't slow you down a bit. I'm pullin for ya brother!

jcheeetham

08-28-2008, 01:14 AM

fatkid4 -- you get accepted for the trainee program or recruit?

GoCougs

08-28-2008, 01:17 AM

Just got notification that my PAT and interview is scheduled for the end of October. It's go time!!!

I thought orals were out of the schedule for this year? Are you on the trainee or firefighter EMT list?

GaiusPaul

08-28-2008, 02:01 AM

First round (objective) orals are out. Just PAT and Chief's interview.

I got my dates today (trainee). :D

Fatkid4

08-28-2008, 01:29 PM

fatkid4 -- you get accepted for the trainee program or recruit?

Trainee program.

nwfire17

08-28-2008, 03:11 PM

I just received my reply, and I'm heading to the PAT. :) No dates as of yet, just the times and dates to participate in practice PAT sessions. (I'm in the Recruit pool, and live in the Portland metro area)

3rdFloor, do you know if they're planning on waiting until after the PAT to tell us our ranking on the list?

jcheeetham

08-28-2008, 03:31 PM

nwfire17 - your letter didnt include your ranking? What did it say exactly?
I was told we were going to be ranked off the test.

trotsky

08-28-2008, 03:34 PM

I thought the recruits were being ranked from the test and the oral board whereas the trainees were ranked just on their test scores. Or at least that is what I have gotten from the posts on this forum.

I'm just wondering what the practice PAT dates/times are

nwfire17

08-28-2008, 03:57 PM

No ranking. My letter is just a generic one that goes out to all candidates of both lists who passed. The letter I have now just says I passed and gives me dates for practice sessions. It sounds like the trainee's who passed got another letter a few days later telling them their actual PAT time and date. So now I'm just waiting to hear more.

3rdFloor

08-28-2008, 03:58 PM

It sounds as though there might be a little confusion -- if you applied as a FF/EMT/Paramedic, you should have received a letter from HR that will give you your ranked placement on the eligibility list. nwfire17, it sounds like the letter you received was sent to you by PF&R regarding the practice PAT sessions that are available for all Trainee and FF/EMT/Paramedic candidates who passed the written (computer-based) exam. Obviously, your placement on the eligibility list will determine if you get the opportunity at a Chief's Interview and PAT test (that would be for a "job").

If you received a letter from PF&R, you should have received a letter from HR first. Nonetheless, ALL letters from PF&R have gone into the mail.

Breath-holding may commence.

3rdFloor

08-28-2008, 04:01 PM

One more note worth mentioning: The process for Trainees is a bit different. You have to pass the physical agility test before candidate pool is created.

jcheeetham

08-28-2008, 04:03 PM

So there are multiple letters going out?

Is that correct? One from HR and one from PF&R?

I was told by the recruiter that there was a ranked list for Recruits.

nwfire17

08-28-2008, 04:04 PM

Lol, great. The letter I got today was from PF&R signed by a Division Chief from the training and safety division. I did apply for the FF EMT/Paramedic list. Yep, still holding my breath until the one from HR comes then! :rolleyes: Thanks 3rdFloor.

3rdFloor

08-28-2008, 04:17 PM

So there are multiple letters going out?

Yes.

Is that correct? One from HR and one from PF&R?

Yes, and yes.

I was told by the recruiter that there was a ranked list for Recruits.

That's correct -- and why I said, "The process for Trainees is a bit different. You have to pass the physical agility test before a candidate pool is created."

jcheeetham

08-28-2008, 05:10 PM

Thanks for the info, just wanted to clarify.

Hopefully people start posting their ranked number!

Good luck to all !

FireWA1

08-28-2008, 05:19 PM

I just got my letter for PF&R regarding the practice dates for the PAT and when my PAT and Chief's Interview are. I'm just glad it is not when I am going to be out of town. Good luck everyone. It will be nice to see how I rank after the PAT. (Trainee)

3rdFloor

08-28-2008, 05:26 PM

Thanks for the info, just wanted to clarify.

No problem -- I don't mind clarifying. It's not easy to even explain the difference between the EMT/FF/Paramedic route and the Trainee route -- never mind the process!

In my perfect world, you'd all have both letters no later than tomorrow :-)

GoCougs

08-28-2008, 07:33 PM

Well I guess I have to keep waiting. I checked my mail about an hour ago and hadn't received any letter yet, and I live right across the river from admin. I am looking forward to knowing exactly where I sit on the list this year instead of wondering where I sat in the trainee pool like last year. Hopefully this is the year for me.

CFDRes

08-29-2008, 02:09 PM

Received my notification this morning that I passed the test and the list of scheduled practice sessions for the PAT. Hoping to get the ranked letter tomorrow..

(EMT/Medic)

trotsky

08-29-2008, 05:23 PM

Just picked up my mail and I made it through the written. No letter about ranking or PAT date yet though. That will probably come in tomorrow's mail I am guessing. Just happy to know I moving on in the process. Seems like all my friends are getting the regret letter.

GoCougs

08-29-2008, 07:41 PM

So when should I start to get worried If I have not received my letter yet? I kind of thought that I would have mine by now since I am in the downtown areas

trotsky

08-29-2008, 07:50 PM

From the PF&R website, "If you have not received a letter by September 2 (longer, if you're out of the Portland Metro area), please call the recruiter."

if you don't have it by Tuesday I'd call 'em.

chawk12

08-29-2008, 08:06 PM

I'm in Wisconsin and am still waiting to hear as well. Should I wait longer to call being so far from Portland? Any advice would be appreciated.

CFDRes

08-30-2008, 04:55 PM

Received the letter from HR today. Looks like I am in the low 40's for the EMT/Medic Recruit list. According to the letter they ranked the top 235 scores from the list. Scheduling for interview and PAT to follow.

Good luck everyone.

GoCougs

08-30-2008, 09:22 PM

Well I guess that I got a letter from the city today, to bad im up in Seattle.

jcheeetham

08-31-2008, 03:08 PM

CFDRes - So youre ranked in the 40's? Thats great. So youre pretty much guaranteed a job in the next year i guess, right?

CFDRes

08-31-2008, 03:42 PM

CFDRes - So youre ranked in the 40's? Thats great. So youre pretty much guaranteed a job in the next year i guess, right?

- Wouldn't say that. There is still the Chief's Interview and I don't know when they factor in the vet's points (which I don't have) which can affect my rank. Then there's always ties to contend with. We'll see tho - sounds like Portland would be a great place to work.

GoCougs

08-31-2008, 11:09 PM

Well I guess that this year is not my year. Got home and read my letter only to find out that I didn't pass. The letter says that I have 10 days to find out my results, do I have to go in to do this? Im dissapointed since I have taken the test before and passed it everytime. Guess I just have to keep trying

megakarl99

08-31-2008, 11:22 PM

Got my letter yesterday from PF&R down here in AZ and I made it! Should get my ranking letter from HR on tuesday. One step closer!

megakarl99

08-31-2008, 11:50 PM

Gocougs, don't lose hope. I've been testing for various departments for the last 4 years. I have 7 years of experience, 4 of which was in the military so I get vet points and I still haven't gotten picked up. Don't give up, try to put this one behind you and don't be afraid to broaden your horizons and test for every department you possibly can. This is the best job in the world, you'll love it no matter where you're doing it. Soon enough, the stars will align and you'll get picked up somewhere. Don't give up!

megakarl99

09-01-2008, 12:00 AM

Sorry! Double post

GoCougs

09-01-2008, 02:56 AM

Im not giving up. I have tested with almost 20 different departments over the last 2 years and have no plan on stopping until I get hired.

GoCougs

09-01-2008, 05:52 PM

is it Lt. Jackson who I am suppose to call to find out my results and find out what the passing score was?

megakarl99

09-02-2008, 12:56 AM

Terry Foster is taking over the recruiter position from Lt Jackson. His E-mail is tfoster@fire.ci.portland.or.us

However, I think you should still get a letter from HR letting you know your score this week regardless if you passed or failed.

Good to hear you're not letting up. I think Corvallis is hiring right now too, but I'm sure you know that. Good luck in the future GoCougs!

GoCougs

09-02-2008, 01:13 AM

Thanks for the email. Ill shoot him one here in a little bit. And I am scheduled for the written down in Corvallis on the 13th

3rdFloor

09-02-2008, 11:23 AM

is it Lt. Jackson who I am suppose to call to find out my results and find out what the passing score was?
You should call City of Portland Human Resources; they've got the info. The Recruiting Officer doesn't have scoring information -- and if you call or email him, he's going to send you to HR.

HR's phone number is 503-823-3572.

edited to update the phone number -- apparently this is a phone that several people answer, increasing the odds of talking to a human.

CFDRes

09-02-2008, 04:51 PM

Nozzelman - sent you an email...

GoCougs

09-03-2008, 12:11 AM

CFDRes

09-03-2008, 12:25 AM

Well I called HR and left a message. I was talking to a couple buddies at work today (all of which did not pass the test) and one of them said that pf&r is going to be hiring yearly now instead of every 2 years. Can anyone confrim that for me?

haha, no offense but i hope they don't start testing yearly. Don't know if I can replicate that score - gotta make sure they get up into my range. :)

Nozzleman25

09-03-2008, 01:57 AM

Well I called HR and left a message. I was talking to a couple buddies at work today (all of which did not pass the test) and one of them said that pf&r is going to be hiring yearly now instead of every 2 years. Can anyone confrim that for me?

Have heard that is a possibility but haven't heard if it is going to happen for sure or not.

megakarl99

09-03-2008, 02:55 AM

CFDRes

09-03-2008, 02:59 AM

Got my letter from HR today. My jaw about dropped when I saw my rank was lucky number 6! Hopefully I can keep that performance going through the whole process. Did anyone find out if these rankings are including veterans points?

Congrats, megakarl - strong work! Not sure about the vets points. Initially I was assuming they were not factored in yet, but on second thought there isn't much left in the process. Just the pass/fail physical and the chief's selection.

Fatkid4

09-03-2008, 12:55 PM

Is there a way for trainees to find out what their score/rank is?

3rdFloor

09-03-2008, 03:08 PM

HR's phone number is 503-823-3572. Please call HR for results, scores, and rankings.

Unfortunately, no one at PF&R has any info on results, scores, or rankings. We will eventually, but we don't have it yet.

edited to update contact info -- this phone number is supposed to be answered by several people, increasing the odds of talking to a human and not getting a full voice mailbox.

3rdFloor

09-03-2008, 03:10 PM

Well I called HR and left a message. I was talking to a couple buddies at work today (all of which did not pass the test) and one of them said that pf&r is going to be hiring yearly now instead of every 2 years. Can anyone confrim that for me?
What Nozzleman25 said. I've heard some discussion, but haven't seen any motion in that direction yet.

GoCougs

09-03-2008, 10:17 PM

Is there a way for trainees to find out what their score/rank is?

Last year (I know that it is a different test format this year) during the trainee process we never found out our scores or rankings (because the trainee list is a pool, there are never any rankings). I was told by Lt. Jackson last year that if I wanted to find out my scores, the only way would be if I was totally out of the process. Hope that helps.

Good luck to everyone that did pass the test this year. PF&R would be a great place to work.

JVallstar

09-04-2008, 11:16 PM

Has anyone gone out to the #2 station for a practice session? Do they let you get go full speed, or is it low key?

GaiusPaul

09-05-2008, 02:15 PM

3rdFloor, do you happen to know how many Trainees are being put through to the PAT?

911dispatch

09-05-2008, 02:54 PM

I Just Talked To HR To Check My Score. I Tested For The Trainee Position And Didn't Pass It :( -my First Fire Test. Anywho, They Said They Are Mailing Out The Scores To Those Who Didn't Move On, We Should Have Them By End Of Next Week. As Long As We Got The First Notification, They Should Have The Correct Address And We Should Get Them.

Hope That Helps. Not Great News, But We Can Learn From Our Mistakes And Move On!

Good Luck To Those Who Made It, And For That Matter, Those That Didn't.

3rdFloor

09-05-2008, 04:55 PM

3rdFloor, do you happen to know how many Trainees are being put through to the PAT?
I don't. Things are still settling, so I can't say I'm going to get that info any time soon.

3rdFloor

09-05-2008, 05:02 PM

As 911dispatch noted, HR has decided to mail scores to people who are no longer in the hiring process.

That means that, if you applied for the Trainee position and are going through to the PAT, you will not get a letter. (Did that make sense?)

Nozzleman25

09-06-2008, 02:31 PM

trotsky

09-06-2008, 05:37 PM

when will we be getting a letter telling us when our interviews etc are scheduled? I got a letter saying I passed the written and that I will hear when my dates are, but no letter yet. When should I be concerned enough to make a call?

JVallstar

09-06-2008, 05:39 PM

Those of you going through our process I cannot emphasize enough the benefit of going out and Practicing the PAT. Talked to a buddy of mine last night that was proctoring yesterdays test and had a friend of his going through (he wasn't evaluating his friend) that failed because he didn't keep up a good enough pace. His friend was in excellent shape and more than capable of doing the PAT but he watched the video and thought that a slow steady pace was going to make it because the person in the video appeared to be going that way. A steady pace is acceptable but if you go practice you will know what that pace is. This individual failed by 2 seconds which is unfortunate.

So Go Practice, the bureau sets these times up so you all will know what it takes and don't come in completely green.

Thanks Nozzleman.

Will we ever have a chance to run through the whole course to get an idea of what pace we need to keep? It said on the mail-out that we won't be able to go through and get a time...

Thanks again for all your info

GoCougs

09-07-2008, 03:00 PM

Those of you going through our process I cannot emphasize enough the benefit of going out and Practicing the PAT. Talked to a buddy of mine last night that was proctoring yesterdays test and had a friend of his going through (he wasn't evaluating his friend) that failed because he didn't keep up a good enough pace. His friend was in excellent shape and more than capable of doing the PAT but he watched the video and thought that a slow steady pace was going to make it because the person in the video appeared to be going that way. A steady pace is acceptable but if you go practice you will know what that pace is. This individual failed by 2 seconds which is unfortunate.

So Go Practice, the bureau sets these times up so you all will know what it takes and don't come in completely green.

I agree, these practice times helped me so much in 2006. I was looking forward to them again since I now live in Portland and it would just be a 10 minute drive instead of a 4 hour round trip like last time. For those that are in it USE AND ABUSE the time that the department gives you to practice. If I remember correctly they even had the ladder truck out so we could practice climbing it last time.

3rdFloor

09-16-2008, 04:09 PM

Sta45flow

09-18-2008, 06:56 PM

megakarl99

09-29-2008, 01:06 AM

Anyone heard anything as far as dates for the CPAT/interviews? I'm expecting CPAT near the end of october, interviews in Nov/Dec. 3rdfloor, any word?

3rdFloor

09-29-2008, 01:16 PM

Anyone heard anything as far as dates for the CPAT/interviews? I'm expecting CPAT near the end of october, interviews in Nov/Dec. 3rdfloor, any word?
Trainees have already been scheduled for their PAT and interview.

Firefighter EMT/Paramedic candidates will be contacted in order of their rank on the list -- and that could be any time over the next year.

The Recruiter says that possibly the top 30 Firefigher EMT/Paramedic candidates will be interviewed in early December.

3rdFloor

09-29-2008, 01:23 PM

HI All,

Ive been told that instead of a normal oral board there will be a Chiefs Oral consisting of the Chief and two officers. Does anyone know what can be expected? Will this likely run like a regular Oral Board but just be with the Chief? THANKS!!
In all honesty, I'm not sure what a "regular" oral board is. All I can tell you is that PF&R's is a panel of three people.

GaiusPaul

09-29-2008, 07:38 PM

For those that have gotten to the Chief's interview before: Are they situational questions or are they straightforward questions? Thanks for any input.

megakarl99

09-30-2008, 09:20 PM

3rdfloor, thanks for the fast responses and accurate info!

It sounds like I have plenty of time to prepare!

GaiusPaul

10-20-2008, 03:36 PM

How did everyone do on the PAT? Hope you passed. My interview is tomorrow. I'm giddy like a 12 year old on Christmas morning. :)

FireWA1

10-21-2008, 01:39 AM

I passed the pat. Just under 7 minutes. I had my interview in the morning today. I feel it went well. Always could be better but felt I did well. Any news on when we will know our ranking? Or if we are moving on or not?

3rdFloor

10-21-2008, 02:40 PM

Any news on when we will know our ranking? Or if we are moving on or not?

The Recruiter says that results will be out mid-November (exhale, please! that's only three weeks from now), and that everyone will be notified whether they'll be moving on or not.

FireWA1

10-21-2008, 05:15 PM

Thanks a lot for the information 3edFloor! You have been very helpful during this process.

3rdFloor

10-22-2008, 11:51 AM

I'm glad to help -- I've been there, too. While the competition wasn't nearly as fierce for my position, I still really really wanted to work for Portland Fire & Rescue.

(Me? Biased? Why would you think that? :) )

3rdFloor

10-24-2008, 06:47 PM

Now that the Trainee interviews are over, here are the next steps:

Firefighter-Trainee applicants: In mid-November, you should get a letter telling you whether you're moving on or not. (If there are any changes to the "mid-November" date, for any reason, I'll post here and on the website.)

Firefighter-Paramedic/EMT applicants: The top 30 candidates should expect to contacted around the first week of November for interviews in the first week of December. (Again, I'll post if there are any updates or changes.)

The Trainee list will be effective on December 11, 2008. The Paramedic/EMT is currently effective.

JVallstar

10-24-2008, 08:45 PM

FireWA1

10-25-2008, 04:37 AM

By any chance are you able to tell us a number of how many people passed the PAT and moved on to the interview?

nwfire17

10-27-2008, 02:00 AM

Direct from the Recruiter: We anticipate that the next application and testing process will occur in the summer of 2009.

If you haven't already, I strongly suggest that you re-sign up on the notification list (http://www.portlandonline.com/fire/index.cfm?c=37525) as that list is purged after each test.

I was just browsing through the PF&R website, and came across a page saying the next process is slated for 2010. Any insight on this 3rdFloor? Did they decide to make it a two year list after all, or is this maybe just a typo? It was on both of the pages giving entrance exam info.

3rdFloor

10-27-2008, 11:31 AM

Thanks for the catch, nwfire17. I've corrected the pages; the plan is still summer of 2009. (It's always nice to know that someone actually reads the web pages, and I sincerely appreciate it when folks let me know that I've missed something.)

FireWA1: when I asked, the answer I got was "a lot". :)

nwfire17

10-27-2008, 09:30 PM

No worries. I was actually hoping it wasn't a mistake, I might have had a shot if they did a two year list! Oh well...try again in '09! I do like the changes you've made to the site in the past few months as well.

Nozzleman25

10-29-2008, 02:17 PM

By any chance are you able to tell us a number of how many people passed the PAT and moved on to the interview?

Don't know the totals but the majority did. Failures or no shows weren't uncommon but overall most passed. Also anyone in the process needs to make sure they are on time or even better early. Even 1 minute late and you will not be allowed to move on. Also read the directions for what the bureau is asking for and follow them. If they want said amount of years of documentation bring that amount. People are getting disqualified for not following directions.

FireWA1

10-29-2008, 03:39 PM

...If they want said amount of years of documentation bring that amount. People are getting disqualified for not following directions.

I was a little worried about the driving record part. When I went online to see about getting a 5 year abstract all I saw was 3 year this 3 year that. So I got a little nervous. But when I asked the person behind the counter she said just get a complete driving record. I have a feeling that is my entire driving record. Another thing that worried me was the bold "Court Certified" part of the abstract. Washington does not have court certified abstracts.

And thanks for the "numbers." It is nice to see that you guys and gals have a nice crop to pick from. Hopefully I will get picked!!! :D

Well have fun in Portland. I'm just looking forward to mid-November to find out how I did!

Nozzleman25

10-29-2008, 04:37 PM

I was a little worried about the driving record part. When I went online to see about getting a 5 year abstract all I saw was 3 year this 3 year that. So I got a little nervous. But when I asked the person behind the counter she said just get a complete driving record. I have a feeling that is my entire driving record. Another thing that worried me was the bold "Court Certified" part of the abstract. Washington does not have court certified abstracts.

And thanks for the "numbers." It is nice to see that you guys and gals have a nice crop to pick from. Hopefully I will get picked!!! :D

Well have fun in Portland. I'm just looking forward to mid-November to find out how I did!

I would let them know if you turn in less than asked for the reason why, Write a letter stating that Washington or whomever only gives three years or that you are waiting for further documentation. Better to write a letter stating why requested documentation isn't turned in then to just not give what is asked for. Everyone in the process wants all of you to do well but there are requirements that need to be met to help them do so.

On another note it will make life much easier on anyone that gets hired to already be in top shape. Our training process is fairly intense and those that come in out of shape tend to struggle a great deal. So use this time to continue working out and being in the best shape you can before your first day of work if your to get hired.

JVallstar

10-29-2008, 08:14 PM

I would let them know if you turn in less than asked for the reason why, Write a letter stating that Washington or whomever only gives three years or that you are waiting for further documentation. Better to write a letter stating why requested documentation isn't turned in then to just not give what is asked for. Everyone in the process wants all of you to do well but there are requirements that need to be met to help them do so.

On another note it will make life much easier on anyone that gets hired to already be in top shape. Our training process is fairly intense and those that come in out of shape tend to struggle a great deal. So use this time to continue working out and being in the best shape you can before your first day of work if your to get hired.

On the topic of being prepared... What should the Trainee Candidates expect that do not have their EMT Basic?

Should I try to sign up for a class now? Thanks

FireWA1

10-30-2008, 03:14 AM

I think the complete abstract is as it says. Complete. I called and asked the DOL I needed an abstract that went 5 years back and they said to get the complete. Good thing that is what I gave you guys.

But thanks for the advise.

Jwarne2001

10-30-2008, 02:40 PM

On another note it will make life much easier on anyone that gets hired to already be in top shape. Our training process is fairly intense and those that come in out of shape tend to struggle a great deal. So use this time to continue working out and being in the best shape you can before your first day of work if your to get hired.

Listen to Nozzleman. I just finished my final practical evaluations for Portland this week (after 10 months of PT and drilling....and then more drilling) and I am SORE today. I came into the program in good shape, got into even better shape over the last 10 months....and still got my a** handed to me this week.

Good luck to all. Hope to see some of you out at the Tower.

ogomez

11-02-2008, 01:03 AM

I wanted to concur with Nozzleman's comment on being in shape. Once you are in and struggling it is hard to "get in shape" with more workouts. The level of demand during the academy is intense and as a fitness trainer for the dept. I get the question pretty frequently. Workouts need to include both cardio, strength and anaerobic components. Get in shape now, do not wait. Most people still find the level of demand surprising even if they are in shape but they can handle it better.

GaiusPaul

11-02-2008, 11:29 PM

If you are near the top of the list, I would say you are too late to get into shape. It takes MONTHS of hard work to get into shape for an academy.

Fatkid4

11-03-2008, 06:52 PM

3rdFloor

11-04-2008, 01:49 PM

Does anyone know when the "statement of personal history" becomes a factor? I am hoping that my manager tells me she got a call from PF&R.

Will our background investigation happen before or after they notify us if we are moving forward?

As I understand it (yeah, I know that I say that a lot), background checks are done before conditional offers of employment are made, not before the "moving on" letters are sent. I don't think they do background checks for every person who passed the Chiefs' Interview.

(Did that answer your questions? or did I confuse you more?)

Fatkid4

11-04-2008, 02:07 PM

Thanks 3rdfloor!

Do you know when the 1st trainee academy will start and how many will be involved.

JVallstar

11-04-2008, 10:25 PM

If anyone is interested, I've been running stairs and training for the academy and would love a workout partner who is training for the same thing. I live in Goosehollow (SW Downtown) and workout at the Pearl 24 hour fitness and cross train at Portland State or Forest Park... PM me if you are in Portland and want to be ready when they call your name. Thanks, JV

If you are near the top of the list, I would say you are too late to get into shape. It takes MONTHS of hard work to get into shape for an academy.

Sta45flow

11-06-2008, 02:36 PM

I ran into someone who is testing and they said they got a conditional offer of employment and his trainee class is starting dec 1st. It was my understanding that everyone would get a "moving on" letter first, but I guess they cherry picked the top ones and accelerated them through the process to get the ball rolling for the academy. I still anxiously await GOOD NEWS in the mail... Fingers crossed. :) I still haven't been able to obtain all my driving records yet.. unfortunately. Ive lived in 4 states and they arent too accommodating.

JVallstar

11-06-2008, 07:41 PM

I got my paperwork to be hired on for 6 weeks to take the EMT through Portland Fire and Rescue. The EMT class starts Dec 1st and ends Jan 21. After that we will be laid off and eligible for the Trainee Academy. It is no guarantee to be hired on to the Academy, but I like my odds...

I imagine they will start an academy after Jan 21st that will include some of the graduates from this EMT class, however, the paperwork says it is "likely" that "some" of the people who take the EMT class will not be hired to the academy.

Its definitely not a done deal if you are not in this class, however, if you are not in the EMT course you do not already have an EMT you may want to find out how many EMT courses they are going to do this year... I understand that if your name comes up and you don't have an EMT then you will be done with this years list.

Good luck to all. Hope to see some of you December 1st!!!!!!!

I ran into someone who is testing and they said they got a conditional offer of employment and his trainee class is starting dec 1st. It was my understanding that everyone would get a "moving on" letter first, but I guess they cherry picked the top ones and accelerated them through the process to get the ball rolling for the academy. I still anxiously await GOOD NEWS in the mail... Fingers crossed. :) I still haven't been able to obtain all my driving records yet.. unfortunately. Ive lived in 4 states and they arent too accommodating.

Sta45flow

11-18-2008, 12:17 AM

Its the 17th.. which according to PFR HR a couple of weeks ago was the deadline for when everyone should receive letters. has anyone gotten them yet?? Or has the deadline changed? THANKS!

GaiusPaul

11-24-2008, 02:19 PM

sta45flow - I haven't received mine yet, and a few guys I know who are waiting haven't either.

FireWA1

11-24-2008, 07:16 PM

I'm still waiting for mine. I called HR last Friday and they said that they were getting mailed out that week. So I think they are going to show up some time this week. (I hope before Wednesday. I'm traveling over Thanksgiving).

3rdFloor

11-24-2008, 07:26 PM

Thanks, folks, for posting questions -- this is one of those instances where we don't know there's a problem if no one tells us.

According to the Recruiter, HR had a computer problem last week. The mailing was delayed.

Also according to HR, all letters went out last Friday -- Nov 21 -- morning. If you're local, the letter may well be in your mailbox. Obviously, it'll be another couple of days if you're east of the Mississippi.

JM1975

11-25-2008, 12:05 AM

So I take it this means that if you made it you were notified weeks ago. Are we just waiting for the "thanks for your interest" letter. I can't imagine that they would take this long if you did make it to let you know. EMT starts in a week?
Also if the trainees were on an unranked list, how did they make the choices?

still have my fingers crossed for a good news letter.

Fatkid4

11-25-2008, 03:52 PM

I got a letter. It says I'm on an unmarked eligible list of 306 candidates. If only 24 people will be hired throughout the year, I will not be holding my breath.

Sta45flow

11-25-2008, 08:19 PM

I got my reply today as well. im on an unranked list of 306 people. Though I try to remain optimistic such a large list is disappointing. :( I suppose there were lots of qualified applicants this year. Does anyone know how many people are going to be hired into the trainee program this year? FatKid you said 24. is that for the entire year? Seems like an excessively large list for that. Again, im optimistic, though its hard to be in this case! Good luck to everyone!

Fatkid4

11-26-2008, 01:48 PM

I thought there was less than 306 candidates that interviewed. It seems like every person that showed up to the interview must have received this same letter. Why didn't we just get the letter handed to us before leaving the interview.

I also called HR to get additional info about my results, so I could identify weak points to work on. I wasn't given any info.

I guess I'll work on everything while I pray for a phone call every day until the next hiring process starts. Awesome!!!! =(

GaiusPaul

11-26-2008, 02:12 PM

3rdfloor - Do you know what Portland's hiring plan is? Are they pulling only one group? Or are they going to pull some trainees into every academy this coming year?

Or is this a nice way of saying, "we have who we need"?

FireWA1

11-26-2008, 04:51 PM

I got the same letter as you FatKid. I have a feeling because it is an unranked list we have a snow balls chance in HE*L on getting employed. I can't think of any way an unranked list would be useful for hiring a firefighter. Oh well. See you guys at the test next year!

Is there anything you can tell us 3edfloor? Would be nice to know a little about what is going on.

Fatkid4

11-26-2008, 04:56 PM

I'm under the impression that there is a ranked list, but I have heard others say candidates will be picked out of the 306 by a lottery system.

I'm hoping 3rdfloor can provide some clarification.

JAKEOLSON

11-26-2008, 05:40 PM

I too am on the unranked list of 306. It seems to me that this is the number that passed the pat and made it to their interview.? more info would be much appreciated! thanx

3rdFloor

11-27-2008, 09:23 PM

Apologies, folks -- I'm out of town and forgot to check in occasionally. I'll verify all of this with the Recruiter when I get back to the office next Tuesday, so please don't hold me to any of this until I do so.

As I understand it, there are two lists. Folks who applied for the Firefighter/EMT-Paramedic position, and succeeded, went onto a ranked list.

Folks who applied for the Firefighter Trainee position, and succeeded, went into an unranked pool of candidates. Several of those successful candidates have been asked to start an EMT class (on Dec 1? I think?). I believe that more classes (and hence, more Firefighter Trainee hires) are planned.

How many people are we hiring? Frankly, I don't think anyone knows at the moment. (You may have read about some Bureau/city/state/national budget difficulties ;-) )

How are Firefighter Trainee hires chosen from the candidate pool? I honestly don't know.

More news, when I know more -- but it won't be until Tuesday at the soonest.

Meantime, I hope you all have a great Thanksgiving!

JVallstar

11-28-2008, 04:22 AM

I'm under the impression that there is a ranked list, but I have heard others say candidates will be picked out of the 306 by a lottery system.

I'm hoping 3rdfloor can provide some clarification.

I don't have any inside connections to confirm this, but I would guess they are not going to take the time and resources to score and interview 400 trainees to randomly pull from a list of 306... I am guessing even though the list isn't officially "ranked", the bureau has a good idea who they want based off of the test scores, interviews and resumes and those will be the people that are going to be invited to the academy...

Fatkid4

11-28-2008, 01:10 PM

I don't have any inside connections to confirm this, but I would guess they are not going to take the time and resources to score and interview 400 trainees to randomly pull from a list of 306... I am guessing even though the list isn't officially "ranked", the bureau has a good idea who they want based off of the test scores, interviews and resumes and those will be the people that are going to be invited to the academy...

I think you're right, which is why I was expecting that there would be maybe 50 people receiving a letter saying they have a chance. The letters we received imply all 306 have a chance. Could that be right? If so, then congratulations really is in order.

When and how does our resume and SPH effect our rank/pool position? Is it true that decisions have already been made based soley on exam and interview results?

I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving!!! We should all be thankful for having an opportunity to even apply to PFR.

Thank you 3rdfloor for the info. Enjoy your time off!!!

JVallstar

11-29-2008, 05:20 AM

I think you're right, which is why I was expecting that there would be maybe 50 people receiving a letter saying they have a chance. The letters we received imply all 306 have a chance. Could that be right? If so, then congratulations really is in order.

When and how does our resume and SPH effect our rank/pool position? Is it true that decisions have already been made based soley on exam and interview results?

I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving!!! We should all be thankful for having an opportunity to even apply to PFR.

Thank you 3rdfloor for the info. Enjoy your time off!!!

I don't think its true that they have put together a list of every trainee they want to invite to the academy this year (I imagine they have a good idea), but I do know that a class of 12-16 will start on monday to take get their EMT through the bureau. I imagine the majority of these will go on to the academy (otherwise it would be a big waste of money and time for the bureau to hire them)... So they had to have some sort of internal ranking to put together this class before the "official pool" was created (this class was put together at the beginning of november)...

Honestly, I would guess the list for the most part is ranked as far as which candidates they want to hire, but its call "unranked" so they are not committed to any specific list if anything changes or meeting quotas etc. Again, I have no inside connections to verify this (even if I did, the bureau does not tell its employees how the trainee pool "ranked") but its the only thing that makes sense to me...

alaskafire1

12-01-2008, 02:28 PM

Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum and wanted to say thanks to you all for the great information. I applied for the trainee position and have been put into the trainee pool with 305 other "patient" firefighters. Did anyone who applied during the last recruitment go through this process and might be able to shed a little light on the issue? From what I can gather the unranked list is only publicly unranked, it's seems that they would have to have an idea on who they want to bring aboard. It also seems to me that a lottery system would really go against putting the best man in the right position. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks again for all the information.

patch221

12-02-2008, 03:39 PM

Hey guys,

I just received a letter as well saying I am on an "unranked" list of 306.

I just wanted to give my two cents. When I was at the PAT, I asked Terry Foster some questions about numbers (as far as trainees goes) , (e.g. How many took the test? How many passed?)

I don't know for certain, so I am just repeating what I heard. I think the numbers are way higher then you think for the amount of people they interviewed. I think he said about 2,400 tested (everybody trainee/EMT/Paramedic). You have to assume that a great percentage of those were trainee, because you only have to be over 18 and a pulse to apply.

He said a lot of people passed the written, way more then they had expected. Also, everybody that took the PAT in my group passed. So I think they interviewed a lot of people. Definitely more then 400. That being the case I count myself lucky to be on this list!

I know that the trainee list was implemented to hire mainly minorities and women. It seems in the past that they hire around 75% minorities and women off this list. check this link out!
www.portlandonline.com/omf/index.cfm?a=10643&c=40839
This being the case, I don't think they can legally/officially "rank" this list because the goal is to hire mainly minorities and women.

I don't know for certain, but these are just my thoughts.

Nozzleman25

12-05-2008, 11:59 PM

Ok trying not to rain on anyones parade but from what we hear they are going to hire 24 off the trainee list and 24 off the FF/EMT list which is consistent with the way we have been hiring. With the lists now only being good for 1 year it gives some a cahnce to improve their position and others it will hurt.

Now as far as the trainee list being unranked, that is correct. How they choose who to hire? Good question. I am sure there is an unoffical list that has people ranked, it doesn't get published and no one in the rank and file know what it is. I do know there is a group starting next week.

GaiusPaul

12-10-2008, 04:04 PM

So, for the whole year they are only going to take 48 (24 FF, 24 Trainee)?

Does anyone know if all of the 24 trainees have been contacted?

JVallstar

12-11-2008, 02:16 AM

So, for the whole year they are only going to take 48 (24 FF, 24 Trainee)?

Does anyone know if all of the 24 trainees have been contacted?

Thats almost 50 new jobs, in this economy you can't complain about that...

From what I understand they have hired a class of 12 (6 trainee, 6 ff) for the academy from this list, and they have hired at least 15 to take the EMT Class at the Training Center (I think they contacted 18, but 2 or 3 couldn't make it or will have their EMT Basic by the finish of the class).

Logically, one could assume they would plan to hire the 15 from the current EMT class, but nothing is set in stone...

Hurdles

12-13-2008, 11:11 PM

I am also on the trainee list of 306.

If I understand correctly, and EMT class has just begun for some of the trainees. I talked to AJ before she was replaced by Terry, and she said that there is about a 6 week EMT class for those without EMT certification, then another small academy for trainees, and then the academy with those that were hired on from the firefighter list. If the EMT class is just kicking off recently, the actual academy will probably be kicking off early next year, maybe February or March. AJ also told me that sometimes there was a layoff between the EMT class and the academy, so maybe the academy isn't starting right away, and it's just EMT classes for now.

How often do they kick off the academies? I'm obviously not in this first group, but when should I be able to start hoping for a call again? I'm hoping that this hiring wasn't my only shot at getting hired before the next test rolls around. I'm currently working on knocking out my EMT.

3rdFloor

12-15-2008, 05:10 PM

I sincerely wish that I had answers for your questions, folks. It'd be nice to say "You're ranked XX? Don't hold your breath." (at least you'd know, right?) or "There will be six classes, each containing n new hires." ('cause you'd know when to hope, at least...)

But the plain fact is: we don't know. Our earlier estimates were based, in part, on how many people we figured would retire and on the assumption that we'd have the budget to replace those people. But the retirement numbers are just guesses -- and right now, next year's budget is pretty much a guess, too.

If I knew anything definite, I'd tell you -- even if the news is unpleasant.

megakarl99

12-17-2008, 03:37 AM

If it's any help, I believe from the FF/EMT list they interviewed 30ish people. When they scheduled my interview, they said that the interview was scheduled for the first week in december with an anticipated start date of Feb 5th. If the EMT's started Dec 5th, I'd venture a guess that the trainee academy would start sometime in January. As far as number of hires, with the state of the economy and the way fire department budgets are getting beat down across the country, I wouldn't anticipate the number being very high, particularly if they are going to a yearly hiring cycle. They led me to believe the numbers weren't that great but they would be "aggressively pursuing" the folks that were ranked highly on the Experienced list.

A lot of the departments in the Phoenix area are suspending their hiring cycles next year so they get their budgets and population projections back in line. Granted they are getting their butt's handed to them a lot worse than most cities in the US right now, but still. Everyone is afraid to spend money, and rightfully so.

Portland should be in pretty good shape, all things considered. I took a civilian position with an Air force base department this time around, so I have removed myself from Portland's process. Couldn't bring myself to turn down a job offer, despite how much I'd love to work for Portland fire! I'll look forward to testing for PF&R again in the future, I'm sure I'll see many of you in the forum for that process too.

Good luck to all!

GoCougs

12-25-2008, 01:48 AM

When I was on the trainee list last year, I was told that the trainee list was in fact unranked and that the department picked who they wanted off of that list that would fit the needs of the department at that time.

hammerhome

01-16-2009, 01:36 AM

fatbretcantjump

01-26-2009, 03:38 PM

Last year, the application window began on 7/7/08. Just guessing, I'd say that's about the time they'll start up this year too.

JVallstar

01-26-2009, 08:09 PM

Hi all,

I have read all the Portland related posts on this forum, and I was wondering if anyone knew when the testing was taking place this year. I was told it would be in the summer, but I wanted to see if I could narrow it down a little more.

thank you,

hammer

From what I understand it is scheduled for this August if nothing changes... However, it sounds like there are several factors that may change that. Budget cuts, changes in demand, etc. may force them to change the date (there was some mention of possibly moving it to spring of 2010), but from what I've heard they already paid for the test so they won't cancel it entirely.

Nozzleman25

02-05-2009, 04:54 PM

With some fairly large budget cuts looming this year I heard yesterday that we won't be having a test this year. There is a lot going on right now with our budget and hiring is going to stall for a bit, not sure for how long because with a lot of potential retirements we can't quit for to long because the training process is so extensive. I.E. Trainees are in training for aprox 12 months and Recrutits are 9. So if we quit for very long then it is close to a year from the time we resume till we get someone out into the companys'

3rdFloor

02-05-2009, 07:16 PM

I've just updated the web site. Where it used to say that we anticipated holding the next test in the summer of 2009 now says:

Due to the current economic climate, we can not anticipate our next open recruitment.

I wish the news was better.

miramar

02-06-2009, 10:08 PM

Does anyone know what's expected to happen for those that are currently on the final FF/EMT recruit list?

Fatkid4

02-08-2009, 08:56 PM

Don't hold your breath. It sounds like they are done for a while.

Although, overtime is expensive, so they will need to hire eventually. I'm hoping they will save money by hiring everyone from the current unranked pool over the next 3 to 5 years. :)

We can always hope!

FireWA1

02-09-2009, 02:53 PM

I'm with you on hiring the entire list fatkid! That means I would have a job!!! Well it is nice that I am on this list.

Do you know if they will extend this list at all or will it still expire after a year?

ZachWiens

02-10-2009, 06:24 PM

I just saw this article on the budget cuts coming up.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/portlandcityhall/2009/02/budget_cuts_coming_up_get_used .html

JVallstar

02-14-2009, 02:13 AM

Does anyone know what's expected to happen for those that are currently on the final FF/EMT recruit list?

It sounds like they are going to keep this list until they test again (which they were estimating to be in 2010) and are going to continue to hire where ever they can. They guessed this might happen this summer if things go well, and maybe not until next year if things get worse.

This will be a good time for anyone on the list who does not have their EMT to get enrolled in a class. The EMT class hired in December by Portland Fire and Rescue is now complete, since they all have EMT Basic now, you can guess that several of the 15 will be applying elsewhere and may get picked up. So there should be a few people off the list that were in serious contention for a spot in an academy with Portland...

FireWA1

02-15-2009, 01:40 PM

Do you know if Oregon (or Portland to be more specific) gives reciprocity from Washington EMT-B certs? It was not something I had when I first tested but now I do. Just wondering. Thanks!

ffbam24

02-15-2009, 07:36 PM

Do you know if Oregon (or Portland to be more specific) gives reciprocity from Washington EMT-B certs? It was not something I had when I first tested but now I do. Just wondering. Thanks!They used to a few years back. You'll need to contact their state' EMS Bureau.

fatbretcantjump

02-16-2009, 05:20 PM

Do you know if Oregon (or Portland to be more specific) gives reciprocity from Washington EMT-B certs? It was not something I had when I first tested but now I do. Just wondering. Thanks!

I found some reciprocity info here: http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/ems/certific/recip.shtml

Nozzleman25

04-30-2009, 07:56 PM

Update for those on our lists. The hiring delay may not be as long as first thought. Don't know dates at this time but it is possible that there may be a trainee group hired in the summer and a group off the FF/EMT list in the fall. Not a lot of info at this time but that is the latest.

alaskafire1

05-05-2009, 08:18 PM

JVallstar

05-12-2009, 04:29 PM

Thanks for the update, I hope everyone took advantage of this time in limbo. One thing that has confused me is how do you pull off an unranked list? Also has there been any attempt to contact anyone on the trainee list or has the next group already been decided.

I heard they are starting a trainee academy in July. They have already contacted the candidates and alternates.

GoCougs

05-15-2009, 11:33 PM

Thanks for the update, I hope everyone took advantage of this time in limbo. One thing that has confused me is how do you pull off an unranked list? Also has there been any attempt to contact anyone on the trainee list or has the next group already been decided.

What I was told last year when I was doing the trainee test, was the Trainee's were on an as needed basis of what was needed by the department at the time. That is why they are un-ranked

Nozzleman25

06-12-2009, 08:10 PM

Trainee group will be hired in July and a FF/EMT group will be hire in Sept. or early Oct. Don't know who has been notified or not about either hire. If things hold true to form they should hire again around the first of the year also.

Those of you that are in position to possibly get hired I cannot stress enough the importance of being in excellent shape when you start. Our training is very intense and if you come in out of shape you will struggle. Good luck to everyone in the process.

nwfire17

06-14-2009, 02:05 AM

Well, thats good news that they're starting to hire again. I'm assuming they're going to keep this list and not test again until next year? If that's the case, does anyone have any idea how far down the list they are for firefighter?

Thanks for keeping us up to date nozzleman!

JVallstar

06-24-2009, 01:13 PM

So there are 5 of us starting Trainee academy in July that took the EMT class this december. We were wondering if the other 1-3 trainees starting in July wanted to meet up and do a little studying and a lot of conditioning over the next month?

Look forward to hearing from you.

CFDRes

08-13-2009, 07:40 PM

Sounds like the bureau is preparing to form another class. Got a call today to schedule the interview. Anyone hired earlier from the current list that can shed any light on what lies ahead?

GaiusPaul

08-13-2009, 09:14 PM

Good news, congrats! Any news on when the interview is or when the academy will start?

JVallstar

08-13-2009, 11:26 PM

Sounds like the bureau is preparing to form another class. Got a call today to schedule the interview. Anyone hired earlier from the current list that can shed any light on what lies ahead?

I am in the 8 week Trainee Academy right now. There are 8 or us and we are 3 weeks into it... We are all wondering who we be working with in 5 weeks when they start the 16 week academy...

It sounds like they will be hiring 4 "recruits" on September 17th. Feel free to contact me on the personal message on this message board, or I will send you my email...

PS: Good luck on the interview... Run a lot of stairs, maybe Joe Albi Stadium if your in Cheney/Spokane and be ready to work out in the turnouts for 5 or 6 hours a day...

Nozzleman25

08-14-2009, 03:02 AM

I have said it before and I will do so again. If you have a chance of getting picked up start working out now and stay in shape. If you come in out of shape it makes things a lot tougher on you and it is hard enough as it is. Good luck.

Cochise70

08-14-2009, 05:19 PM

What are the numbers of those from the FF/EMT list that have gotten calls for interviews. Sitting at 59 so I'd love to know. Thanks

GaiusPaul

08-14-2009, 05:59 PM

I am in the 8 week Trainee Academy right now. There are 8 or us and we are 3 weeks into it... We are all wondering who we be working with in 5 weeks when they start the 16 week academy...

They will be bringing in 4 "recruits" on September 17th. Feel free to contact me on the personal message on this message board, or I will send you my email...
.

So, they must have canceled the first round interviews, and this is just them bringing them back in? Not a second group?

CFDRes

08-15-2009, 03:07 PM

What are the numbers of those from the FF/EMT list that have gotten calls for interviews. Sitting at 59 so I'd love to know. Thanks

My number was 43 - and they should be calling one more person since I turned down the interview and requested I be removed from the list. Tough decision, but I was hired on a Western Washington department back in January and want to give them at least a couple years before I consider going elsewhere.

dwilson1975

08-19-2009, 02:16 AM

Hello everybody, I just registered and can finally participate in the forum. I have been following this ever since the written test. I would like to say thank you to everybody for sharing information, especially Nozzleman and 3rd floor. I'm currently ranked 45 on the recruit list. Does anybody have any insight on Portland Fire's retirement system? I have thirteen years invested in Arizona's public safety retirement system and would like to know what Portland has or if anybody knows about the process of transferring retirements? I got a call last week and have an interview on Oct. 1st and PAT on Oct 2nd.

Alpine08

08-21-2009, 01:45 AM

Don't really know much about the retirement program for the City, but there is some good info on PF&R's website...
http://www.oregon.gov/PERS/MEM/section/faqs/opsrp_faqs.shtml

Any recruits that are getting ready for the interview and PAT... Congrats and Good luck! Listen to the advice from JV and Nozzleman, start hitting those stairs! It will pay off when you start the academy. Hope to see you in class on Sep. 17th...

3rdFloor

08-26-2009, 05:44 PM

Just a quick update (and a few facts instead of speculation) for folks on the current eligibility list:

We are hiring a Recruit class on September 16 to join the current Trainee class. These Recruits have already been interviewed.

We expect that the next Trainee class will be hired October 15th, and a Recruit class will join them on December 10th. Interviews for the December Recruit class is scheduled to occur around the end of September.

(p.s. This info is direct from the Recruiter. As a reminder, please only call the Recruiter if you have a change of address or status.)

3rdFloor

08-26-2009, 05:51 PM

We anticipate (is that sufficiently fuzzy?) that the next exam will take place in February, 2010.

PLEASE go to the Notification (http://www.portlandonline.com/fire/index.cfm?c=37525) page to be notified when recruitment opens. Recruitment should open approximately a month before the test.

We expect that the entire testing process will take about five months; the current list will stay active until the 2010 list is published.

GaiusPaul

08-26-2009, 05:54 PM

Thanks for teh info, 3rdFloor. Do you know if the trainees chosen for the Oct 15th class have been contacted yet?

3rdFloor

08-26-2009, 06:00 PM

Thanks for teh info, 3rdFloor. Do you know if the trainees chosen for the Oct 15th class have been contacted yet?

I knew I was forgetting a piece of info... The folks for the October 15th Trainee class have NOT been notified yet.

Fatkid4

08-30-2009, 09:39 PM

Hey 3rdfloor,

In case you didn't know, your info is much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time. It really means a lot to some of us.

3rdFloor

09-01-2009, 05:34 PM

Hey 3rdfloor,

In case you didn't know, your info is much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time. It really means a lot to some of us.

You're quite welcome! I'm glad to help -- I've been in the "Pick me! Please pick me!" void, too.

(And no, I still don't know anything more than "anticipate February 2010" :) )

Nozzleman25

09-03-2009, 05:40 PM

Fatkid4

09-03-2009, 08:18 PM

Thanks Nozzleman25! This is great news.

CSCFD7

09-05-2009, 04:43 PM

I missed the last test for Portland but will for sure be there this time around. Can anybody tell me how old the oldest person was to go through the tower for Portland? I will be 47 next time around but am in great shape and have ten years in as a volly. I was with a combination paid/volly department for two years and kept up real well with all the younger guys and really enjoyed the experience. Portland is a great department and I look forward to going through the testing process.

Jwarne2001

09-06-2009, 01:35 PM

I don't know who the oldest was to go through...but a guy in the class ahead of mine was 42 when he went through. He passed and is working in the companies right now.

dwilson1975

10-04-2009, 12:54 PM

Good job to everybody this past week. It was nice to meet everyone. It's been a long process and I just want to wish everybody the best of luck.

Cochise70

10-17-2009, 02:56 PM

Anybody out there heard if the December class interviews have happended yet. Sitting at 59 here and wondering if I'm inside the window. Thanks

Nozzleman25

11-20-2009, 08:10 PM

Anybody out there heard if the December class interviews have happended yet. Sitting at 59 here and wondering if I'm inside the window. Thanks

Don't know if you were part of the group they ran through PAT's last week or not but I think the interviews have also been done.

For those that don't know or haven't heard we are testing again in early 2010. Here is the link to get info form http://www.portlandonline.com/fire/index.cfm?c=37525

Cochise70

11-20-2009, 08:42 PM

hammerhome

11-20-2009, 09:20 PM

I actually did get an interview along with 6 others and didn't get a place in the tenative March class but we were told we were being added to an existing pool and also would be eligible for a June class as well. Fingers crossed. Thanks for keeping tabs on us hopefuls.

Im not clear on how this works. They will administer a new test, then create a new pool. Do they save people that they like from the last pool and add them to the new pool. And if so how do they then rank it. Or do they use up the old pool until the new one is "ready"?

just wondering,

HH