Open Door Policy - Recruitment

[DeWitt7]

Suggestions for Bylaws and SOG's

You can develop your own by thinking about the following...

"The membership [organization] shall accept all applications for membership and vote on an applicants' membership continuation following a six month probationary period. If a member in good standing wishes to contest acceptance of an application, said reasons shall be presented in writing to the President. The membership shall have a right to vote on whether or not to reject the applicant based on the member in good standings stated reasons. Reasons could include knowledge of falsification of the application or failure to meet the department's rules on fund raising, meetings, calls, and training."


Becky DeWitt
Kitzmiller, Maryland

[DeWitt7]

Hi Everyone!

I'm in Prince George's County, Maryland. Actually, I'm in a hell of a situation, but it relates and applies to the Open Door Policy proposal I posted here.

PG County, MD is quite different than Garrett County, Maryland. PG County manages it people a little different, especially new people. I think to have an Open Door Policy State Wide - it would take at least one person from each county in Maryland to figure out something due to the similiarities and differences effecting each county, for a fair open door policy state wide. I know it would not hurt to have more people here on duty during the day in PG County - paid or volunteer.

Still nothing from the State Fire Marshal's Office - guess they don't want to touch that? (Open Door Policy enforced for all departments, squads, ambulances, etc. who receive state money in some shape or form)

Becky DeWitt

[DeWitt7]

spelling not checked

I got thinking after making a follow up to one of my posts...

I guess you will miss home, as in miss home to what it used to be, not necessialiarily what it is today - and that includes all those years in the volunteer fire, rescue, ems service. I was only briefly paid as an EMT, so I never count it.

I never thought that trying to go back to school would end up in my posting here again about open door policies, which does not and should not be related to my current situation. I hope things were not taken out of context, misinterpreted, or implied that things are intentional on my part.

Any way and at any rate - I hope that these posts will at least give the readers here something to think about.

Rebecca A. DeWitt
Kitzmiller, MD - now at Adelphi, MD

[hwoods]

As a 45 year volunteer, both in PG and another county, I am wondering just what is the point of your post? Is there a problem with joining a VFD in PG? Or is there a problem elsewhere?. Let us know and maybe we can help. Stay Safe....

[DeWitt7]

No problems or questions about PG County at this point. PG County's FDs have lost their automony, rights, and abilities. Therefore, there can be conflictions, disagreements, etc. I was given an application packet that requires finger prints, back ground investigation, application forms, etc. I am going to fill them out, PG County and elsewhere. Just an idea to compare counties and stations. Like to run down state in addition to Western Maryland.

I was just making a follow up post - sitting at a FD in PG County with nothing else to do. Probably some law against that?

I got to run with those guys in PG County - ride a long. It is so different than back home. People down state thought I was like a foreign exchange student, in cultural shock, a scam artist, etc.

I don't think you can help - one thing I learned is that you are on your own. or what did you have in mind? At any rate, I made it back home. I saw some good, some bad, and some other things at a FD in PG County - it's probably like that everywhere.

I just wish I never left my EMT-B run out. I plan to somehow retake the course.

Becky DeWitt
Kitzmiller, Maryland

[Bones42]

???????

DeWitt7, what are you talking about? You have posted 4 posts here that all seem to be half there and half missing. I can't get enough information out of all 4 to even begin to understand what you are talking about and/or asking for. Can you give a little more on your next post so we can follow it?

[DeWitt7]

Don't post if you don't want to make sense and discusse the topic

Don't post if you indend something else, want to make fun of, or plan to ridicule with no bases, commonality, predjious, or lack of truth and facts

It's all there, so 1/2 there and 1/2 gone don't make sense or apply.

Either you are for, against, or have to understand your jurisdiction's set up, arrangement, or governing body.

Becky DeWitt
Kitzmiller, Maryland

[Bones42]

Ok, so your first post here is about about a bylaw regarding acceptance of applications. Your second post goes on to state at least 1 person from each county would have to have input on it as each county has their own little nuances. Your third post goes on about how you miss being able to volunteer because you had to go back to school. You also mention that you hope these posts will get people to think. HWoods gave you a reply looking for more information as to what you are posting about. You then mention you got an application packet and are filling it out. Then talk about riding along with a company in PG. Then you end with this charmer...It's all there, so 1/2 there and 1/2 gone don't make sense or apply. Either you are for, against, or have to understand your jurisdiction's set up, arrangement, or governing body. Still not sure what you are looking for in these posts. Are you having trouble applying? Is there something prohibiting you from applying? If you don't want to have discussion, thats fine. I thought you came here looking for help, maybe I was wrong.

[NeilMcD]

I'm all for honesty and openness when it comes to denying or accepting an application but with conditions for a VFD. A person who makes the first step should be told forthrightly why they're not being allowed to join.

However, Becky, you left out many important details in your post that would explain your situation better. In another forum for volunteers, you indicated there were significant concerns regarding your previous assignment at a previous fire station (putting makeup on enroute to a call, etc.)

http://www.volunteerfd.org/phorum/read.php?f=2&i=11&t=11#reply_11

Again: the department should tell you straight out why you're not being accepted and give you a chance to at least demonstate how you've changed (or haven't changed) since that time.

Out of curiousity, I know many companies are fearful of disclosing the reason a person may be denied is due to disability concerns. Does the department have a valid concern regarding any disability issues you may have?

If I remember correctly, PGFD was successfully sued twice by deaf firefighters/EMTs for discrimination. Would this apply to you as well?

[DeWitt7]

Looks like Bones 42 tries to make some sense, backs off by not being able to contribute anything meaningful.

First of all, I'd never sue my or any fire department. I'd bitch and complain, attend meetings, and request that their public funding be shut off due to gross neglegance, lack of professionalism, and not worthy of public money without an open door policy. My specifics are not important becuase I'm not alone. I remember not speaking up for when people were voted out becuase I was afraid of what the guys would say. I always voted yes because if your not serious you will drop out and the fire department shapes it's people. I'm still waiting for something in writing as to why I was denied membership. It has come time for me to re-apply, so I don't know what the difference is now than a year ago, other than me using the internet, commissioner meetings, and going to officials. They are probably mad and will not vote me in again. The volunteerfd.org is a joke about me when I was member of my old fire department. You have to read volunteerfd.org's thread I started in its entirety (sp?) - I abandoned ship there. It's not about discrimination becuase it effects even white men or anybody who even applies; and yes, I've seen white men voted out, too.

My old fire department is a good fire department, and I think they remember and know I'd make it better. There are more women their now, and some men who moved into the Kitzmiller area around the time I began posting on the internet. They don't look like or act like hillbilly fire fighters, so how did they get voted in? I'd want to know or at least would like to think that the fire department wants to know who they are sending out to take care of people and the environmnet.

I always said if you can't take care of yourself, then you can't take care of other people. Most of my life is about taking care of other people, my home, my animals, etc., then you could say that I am able to take care of myself, too. I don't have a disability. One easy way to over come the open door policy is a background check or investigation, so the open door policy sould not be that fearful - that came from a fire fighter, former shop teacher, President of the county fire & rescue association, and want to be county commissioner. Do they think the background check and investigation will apply to fire fighters who are already members? I'm sure there are other ways to find something wrong to vote someone out or even reject an application.

I'd put my skills, training, and experience up against anyones. It's like everything else in life - move on and find something else to do. I'm gald to have gotten the experience in running with a big city fire department in PG County, MD.

Rebecca A. DeWitt
Kitzmiller, Maryland

[Bones42]

When applying to a MD department, do they run a backround check? Do they have one on one interviews? Or is it simply fill out an application and get voted on without anyone knowing anything about you?

NeilMcD, thanks for the link.

DeWitt7 - it's hard to contribute when we are not understanding what it is you are looking for.

Do you want people to agree with your proposed bylaw? If so, then I don't agree. I will not let anyone join my fire department without a backround check, without a one on one interview, without checking their references. It protects me, it protects my department, it protects my town. When people make it past that point to where they get voted in as members or not, they are then on 1 year probation. At the end of that one year, they are voted on again to be accepted, rejected, or further probation. We have a 5 person committee that meets with possible members that conduct the interview. "Dirty Laundry" is not made public, it's not put out for everyone to know. If there is a concern, that committee discusses it and makes a recomendation to the general membership.

Go ahead, shoot me down again for missing your point or something...this is getting fun. :p

[NeilMcD]

I agree, Bones.

A department has to know who they're bringing on board. Applications, interviews with an officer or a panel, and stringent background checks should be required for ALL emergency positions. Everyone here knows that one FF breaking the law reflects badly on the rest of us.

From what I understand, Becky says that the department has received her application for membership but they have turned it down without comment.

I believe that a department should be as forthright and open as possible with its applicants as to why they are not being accepted (eg: "You're over 400 lbs. Lose 260 lbs, then come back and see us" or "you have a criminal history that involves breaking and entering.").

Bones, if your department rejects or extends probation for a candidate, do you explicitly tell them why such action was taken? Also, if it's something that can be resolved, are they allowed to appeal/reapply?

[Bones42]

Neil, yes all reasons for rejection/extension are explained to the candidate. And yes, they are allowed to apply as soon as it's resolved. This is where the committee, we call it our Review Board, stays involved. The entire membership does not know the circumstances, only the Board. That way, if the issue is resolved, most of the members will never know it existed. The Board investigates these matters to the best extent they can and it gets to a case by case level. Since the Board is usually the only group to know all the details involved with a candidate, their recommendation on acceptance or not is key to the membership voting. As for the 1 year probation vote, that is up to membership as we all would have worked with and gotten to know the person through that 1 year. It's not perfect, we have still had a bad apple hear and there, but not too many.

[DeWitt7]

I think what is to be learned here is not to start a fourm.

Anyone in their right mind would not apply to a FD with a background check pending, not knowing if you'll get voted in reguardless of who you are, and things like that.

Did you two miss what I said about finding something else to do? All the stupid stuff you talk about can be part of an open door policy. Did you two miss something? I should not be the subject because it's been proven here - don't apply and find something else to do. Can't you read and understand my posts? I would not want you two helping me - let me die or be injured and I'll put out my own fires, o.k.

Becky DeWitt
Kitzmiller, Maryland

[Bones42]

I would not want you two helping me - let me die or be injured and I'll put out my own fires, o.k. 'nuff said.

Gotta love that ignore button. :rolleyes:

[hwoods]

I'm Confused. But, to help clear the air, here's how PG does business. Anyone can apply to any VFD in PG County to become a Volunteer. The VFD provides the applicant with a package that contains about 7 pages of paperwork. The applicant completes the package, adds 3 current photos and anything that might be added on by the local station, and submits the package to the VFD's membership Chairman. The package then goes to the office of the Board of Fire Commissioners (I am a Commissioner) and is reviewed by the Administrative Assistiant, then sent to the Investigations Section for a background check. If that is OK, then the applicant is notified to schedule a physical exam, that is OK, the applicant becomes a probationary Volunteer.

[Bones42]

Woods, sounds like a good plan to me. :cool:

[mickeymouse12]

Hey Becky,

Ya know we are all wondering down here in good ol PG County what the heck you were really thinking? And were being serious! How the heck did you get here? What were you thinking? and why on earth did you ride a bike this damn far!

Secondly what were you going to do once you got here? College maybe? Although I am really curious what were your means of Financial Backing while at the fire house! It does take money to be a live in at most fire houses! And why dosent 33 get an ambo! Thoes are my questions for you becky! Know I have never personally met you but i would be interested in meeting you some time, because the entire county is talking about you and your voyage to PG!

ps... I hope all is well!

[DeWitt7]

Hi Guys,

Well, Bones 42 - I can say what ever I want. And yes, I have met some people who should not be taking care of others, so you are not the first.

All of Garrett County, Maryland talks about me, too. So it's no surprise, and I'll have to get used to all of PG County, Maryland talking about me.

I had plans, but they fell through. If I had $$$ for the finger prints, I'd send in my PG County application. However, I have learned that you have to find something else to do under certain circumstances. After this semester, I'm going to change my major, so I'll no longer be majoring in Fire Science. I think women have no business in the fire service, at this point.

I don't care about the bike trip to College Park - how many people do you know who would do something like that to go to school and leave home? I'd never do it again. It takes money to do anything in this world. I ain't no city girl, and if I have to move, it would be to some other part of the Appalachian Mountains in a rural area. It was a good experience to meet FFs from the city and to see what the city and suburbs are like.

Hope all is well your way, and the hurricane/tropical storm isn't too bad down your way.

Sincerely,
Becky

[lutan1]

HUH???

I'm lost by this whole thread!:confused:

[PgfdCo34]

Dont worry Lutan.. we r all lost

[RspctFrmCalgary]

Do you get ****ed when a guy farts at the fire hall? HAHAHAHA BEST COMMENT OF THE WEEK (even though it was originally posted over on that other forum last year) I like this guy :D :D


I think the firehouse.com chat room was unprofessional She posted this Jan. 14/03 ... methinks this has been done here before

and last but certainly not least:

Author: Becky DeWitt Date: 09-29-02 14:37 I wanted to start this topic/thread for those people who have been denied membership by volunteer fire departments. I want to change the way the State of Maryland handles and regulates volunteer fire departments, private non-profit organizations, that accepts public money and operates in a public way. I applied at my local fire department, and my membership was denied. I can't get any reasons as to why my application was denied. I previously served for eight years, and resigned after my mom died. Four years later I desided to go back to the fire service. The Maryland State Fireman's Association says that once you resign, you can legally be denied membership upon re-application. I did a good job as an EMT/FF, and I served my department and county associations in many capacities.Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Becky DeWitt

Sound familiar one year later????? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

MAKEUP AND NIGHTIES?????? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[DeWitt7]

Hi Guys,

Thought I'd stop in and see what's being said. There are 21 threads and basic membership only accesses two. I guess you have to pay money to get the other 19.

I would like to ask Sheri not to post any more - she gets the two thumbs down. Goes to prove that women have no business in the fire service. Probably just another Stephanie in PG County. Women in the fire service in the city are the worst! New subject - Sheri the lost Canadian.

It's just a dead issue - go find something else to do. Can't everybody get that one?

Sincerely,
Center

[lutan1]

I'm still lost...:rolleyes:

[DeWitt7]

For the lost, confused, or those who just read these posts...

Suggestions for Bylaws and SOG's

You can develop your own by thinking about the following...

"The membership [organization] shall accept all applications for membership and vote on an applicants' membership continuation following a six month probationary period. If a member in good standing wishes to contest acceptance of an application, said reasons shall be presented in writing to the President. The membership shall have a right to vote on whether or not to reject the applicant based on the member in good standings stated reasons. Reasons could include knowledge of falsification of the application or failure to meet the department's rules on fund raising, meetings, calls, and training."

You don't lose control of your organization and you can include background checks, physical exam, etc. So if you don't meet the criteria, have bad health, and lots of records, don't fit in, probably woln't do a good job, screw up all the time, unattractive, etc. then don't apply. Find something else to do.

Then you don't have to offer any help when people need your help, if you can get a rejection letter - then you can show people or any other documentation you want. The moral of the story is to find something else to do. Stop making posts and getting into trouble.

I thought it was really was cool to look over some fire service related documents recently, ask questions, answer questions, review what happen, give my opinion, etc. Then you realize where you have been, what's been said, and what people do and will do to you, then you know it's time to find something else to do.

Attention firehouse.com - please remove this thread.

Becky DeWitt
Kitzmiller, Maryland

[PFire23]

Originally posted by DeWitt7
I'd never sue my or any fire department. I'd bitch and complain, attend meetings, and request that their public funding be shut off due to gross neglegance, lack of professionalism, and not worthy of public money without an open door policy.


So because you are angry that a department shut you out you would try to deny a community the funding for the very department that protects them??? I have read minutes to the meeting where your motion to deny funding to the FD was denied by council. (Mike, Uniform, Tango, Tango) All I can say is it's a bloody disgrace when someone can make a motion to deny a SERVICE to a community because they weren't "allowed" to play.

Originally posted by DeWitt7
I would like to ask Sheri not to post any more - she gets the two thumbs down. Goes to prove that women have no business in the fire service. Probably just another Stephanie in PG County. Women in the fire service in the city are the worst! New subject - Sheri the lost Canadian.

BTW, just out of curiosity, how does what Sheri posted have ANYTHING to do with women not being allowed in the fire service???? Might I suggest that you get over your bitterness and dump the chip that you seem to be carrying around on your shoulder. While I agree that there are certain "types" of women that should not be in the fire service (as with any profession, if you can't hold your own, expect preferential treatment or a different set of expectations, or are only there for the men:women ratio etc) a blanket statement should not be made regarding women in the fire service.

Also, if you have issues within your service area then taking them up constructively there is the place to start (trying to get funding yanked is NOT constructive), share your ideas with the people there, don't assume that they can read what is going on in your head.

I have, although, noticed upon reading this post that you have attacked anyone who didn't agree or sympathize with your cause. Wake up, grow up and get over yourself sweetheart, you just might find yourself a happier person. Good luck in your future endeavors.


** If you found this post offensive I'm sorry that you did, however, I find your attacks on those that have made oppository comments offensive**

[Weruj1]

WOW ...............I think that detective Sheri finally got it for us .............it appears that she is upset about not getting back on. WHEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW what along way to get for this waste of time. Miss DeWitt that has to have been some of the most impolite drivel I have ever heard from anyone on these forums. All we asked was for some clairifcation and all you did was ridicule those that wanted to help, which is YOUR choice. I fail to see what Sheri posted was upsetting you, at least we could now understand the deal. I hope you have a nice life, please dont come to Ohio.

[RspctFrmCalgary]

*sings to herself as she skips down the hall "they're coming to take me away haha hehe they're coming to take me away"* :D

[lutan1]

So if you don't meet the criteria, have bad health, and lots of records, don't fit in, probably woln't do a good job, screw up all the time, unattractive, etc. then don't apply. Find something else to do.

You answered your own question- now move on!

[NeilMcD]

Originally posted by DeWitt7
You don't lose control of your organization and you can include background checks, physical exam, etc. So if you don't meet the criteria, have bad health, and lots of records, don't fit in, probably woln't do a good job, screw up all the time, unattractive, etc. then don't apply. Find something else to do.

Hmm.

1. Have Bad Health: How many volunteers do you have in your department could stand to lose a pound or two?

2. Don't Fit In: Aren't we all a bunch of misfits anyway?

3. Screw-up all the time: That's fine because we all do it. The main point is: if you keep screwing up and making the same mistakes over-and-over again then that shows you're unwilling or incapable of fixing your mistakes and putting others at risk.

4. Unattractive: What else can i say but see topic 1. I'm not attractive. If it wasn't for the fact that my bank account tends to be closer to $0 than I'd like, you'd think my wife married me for my money.

I honestly believe the people on these forums would like to help without the sarcasm or the remarks (right, guys? Guys?) but your posts are difficult to understand and the attitude that you've given is not conducive to an at-length serious discussion.

[Weruj1]

thank you Neil !

[coldstare109]

After reading all of this (Why I don't know. It must be like watching a train wreck, just can't turn away).
It appears to me that the system is working fine.
This exceptional person was allowed to apply to a FD, and was found out that there is more to becoming part of something than simply filling out all the forms.
With the attitude she has shown just on this forum. Can you imagine working with her, or God forbid, trusting your life to her?

If having an open door policy means allowing every whack job membership, then "Close the door"

Thank God she doesn't even operate an automobile.

[TillerMan25]

This is the Weirdest S--t I have ever read.


Can someone please let me in on the Story behind this girl? Did she end up at College Park or Chillum-Adelphi one day?...Whats the deal?...LOL

[Bones42]

Tiller, if you ever figure it out, let the rest of us in! We're all pretty confused...:rolleyes:

[DeWitt7]

I found two different web sites, my posts and then what looks like the same message board with my posts and bunch of other posts that don't make a bit of sense.

What have I been doing besides a Statewide Open Door Policy reform? Things much better, for expample, Russian history long before any Enemy at the Gate movie of WWII, as the Scythians of Siberia lived a good life with many acres, riches, and ruled their teritority (sp?). How much would you pay to have dinner with such people, know what they really looked like, what they really wore, how the sounded, spoke their language and English, and interacted with others?

Kind of makes an Open Door Policy redicule to what some people want to make it, instead of what it can do, prevent, and so foruth.

I call it movie making that is a little different than what it was before, but is about the same, and I remember some movies concerning this matter, so is some one asking me to investigate, pretend I'm someone else, visit, travel, look up, find, or make myself look like more of a fool?

Ah, what a better movie... What I haven't been through and put the trash on the internet for everyone to read, not qualities of a good EMT/Fire Fighter unless something was wrong, so I hope someone inquired becasue I had a lot of things going against me at the time I re-applied as a member at the Kitzmiller Vol. Fire Department, and from what I learned as a young woman from the older fire fighters that are no longer there even when I had quit and later re-applied, I stand by my word that I would never giver them the couritsey, or the word for feeling proud of having me as a member, or re-apply becasue they knew me then as one of the old fire fighters from the old school of taking a gruge to the gave by doing nothing and being nice to people who don't deserve it. By the way, I was asked to join KVFD becasue they were looking for EMTs, so I did not go down to an all male organization that was hard work and apply, and was given a run around by them not following by-laws, delayed my application and vote by at least an extra month from my memory probably because they didn't think I was serious and had to face the first official female in the fire department.

I do my own fire fighting, prevention, and safety, so that if the time comes I have less of a risk of needing them, but can always ask the dispatcher to send someone else becasue I am a bitch. I'm sure they would like to put those movie making skills to test by just listing to the scanner, wouldn't they? It's just a big joke about movie making, I like to kid on the internet, so don't think I'm too much of a nut or crazy.

Got to go, everyone was not interested in this policy, as the county administrator gave me an opportunity to talk to one of our county commissioners later on after the election year, but I wasn't ready and probably said something to the effect that I had nothing to say becasue of what I had been through and been turned down by them previously, as other lawmakers and organizations had done.

It gets worse with a trip down state with fire depatments and even majoring in Fire Science, so I don't recommend it to anyone. I post on www.wellstonfroum.com/4d for more information on the complaints, even for firehouse.com and firehouse.com chat. You will never believe the terrorism for an open door policy, either. An open door policy does not mean that everyone can join, so grow up.

Sincerely,
Becky

[DrParasite]

huh? you talk about movie making, and then go totally off base. I can tell you right now, if you applied to my FD, based on what you posted, I'd be hessitant, to bring you on too.

I think that your complaint is that you applied to a department and two years later, were not accepted on as a member. and your ****ed about it. ok, I can understand that, but I must ask this: Why don't you just apply to join another department?

last I checked MD had no residency requirement to be on a volunteer FD. It was all covered by duty shifts. so, why not just join another FD? ie, not the one that didn't accept you?

or if you do have a complaint, put it in writing, and submit it to the commisioners. but make sure it is coherent, because if it is anything like what you post here, it will be ignored because it is too confusing to read.

[DeWitt7]

it just dosen't fit in with all the other comments that are off base, but somehow everyone will know what I am talking about and just post something even more off base, so it's useless.

"so, why not just join another FD? ie, not the one that didn't accept you?" That's what someone wanted me to do, but I didn't becasue something was up, and I didn't like it and had some instinct that something was wrong or not right. It's not about residency laws in Maryland; we just have to live within the 1st due response area of the fire department, generally. There is no other organization I can join. Of course, things might be different than before, but back then my parents gave me money to be an active memeber of a volunteer rescue squad, I was younger and felt better, and what makes me any different for service any where else? I had hoped to take the EMT couse, but could not afford it to go somewhere else.

I think that money should be shut off for not having an open door policy, as in a real and fair open door policy. We have a **** poor policy here in Maryland where the President signs a piece of paper certifiying that they don't descriminate, but a manditory open door policy even with that certification would be more appropiate, such as proving that by-laws and protocol state, spell out, and identify how an orgainzation receiving public money operates to prove lawfullness.

More people means more people working to raise money, more people to answer calls, and more people to be a part of a community service, and probably other things that are beneficial.

I probably would have been o.k. if it were not for asking a 4D question and applying for Deputy State Fire Marshal. It's a long story.

My movie making. It's just a good imigination, a fun place, to explore and do adventerous things, investigate history, be other people, actually be there, and it can feel real, has many different ways it works and what it requires for it to work and no it's not nuts, crazy, or any other disorder, so it's just like kidding around. It's just different now, but sometimes I can get it back to what it used to be, as what I am is probably more what people had a problem with, such as a fighter, tough, and it's a small world.

I didn't mean to post about having dinner for a price. It's just I met some really bad people on the internet and some evern worse local people that got hooked up with them, and again it's a long story. It's about running my own history and heritage business with a love of history, investigating things, adventures in the mountains, and so foruth, such as having dinner with me, at least two Scythians with my movie making and nothing was ever wrong, as to movie making was only for certian times, just not all the time or out right acting and too much goofing off, not to mention no bad, ill, or negative effects only in self defense or to change attitudes, get people what you want them to do such as in a movie role; again it's just a good imigination, accurate, linguistic, and like playing a role to bring the past to the present or the present to the past, or what ever you might want to do, as that was what made it vonerable for the people I met on the internet and the local people involved. Hope that dosen't sound stupid or ruin my family name, or bring a burdon for anyone in my family to bear that they might not want or want people to think less of them becasue it's goofy and becasue of me posting on the internet, considered stupid, and could easily be considered the wrong things. From what I just described, how in the world one would be a target for a tremendous amount of bad records, a large amount of debt, a lot of stress, pain, and worry, would be almost impossible and very difficult for me to prove, so just posting becasue a lot people all ready know the situation and what has went on in the past 4 or 5 years since I asked my 4D question and applied for a job.

From what I just wrote, having about 14 years previous experience as an EMT, 8 as a fire fighter, and a good service record, as I thought everyone had movie making, might have used it to help people, for emergencies, and so foruth, without any problems or causing any problems, what might be some reason to vote me out of an organization or anyone in the fire, rescue, and ambulance service to use me, take advantage of me, or to harm to me? Again, it's about proving things, so consider it a hypothetical to think what people might have been up to, doing, or gaining. Ask around in Garrett County, Maryland. I bet you could ask around in lot of places.

Actually, I had a nice dinner, and I'm sure as I would put it, Siberia's Scythians and other people probably had a nice dinner with at least on exception with movie making capabilities. You know I kid a lot on the internet, so you don't know if I'm nuts, just kidding, or pulling your leg. Maybe it will be part of a real movie some day, this dinner.

Got to go. I'm sure I didn't just start getting these responses for no reason, so I consider it a dead issue becasue really, no one took it seriously, anywhere, and with the way I am, I would not re-apply, so it's on the back burner and up to someone else. I had posted some complaints on the 4D message board about my fire department, and for something I would sue, have licenses revoked, certifications revoked, Inspections, audits, and so foruth for other things and not for just being voted out, again it was only a complaint as my statement would be enough to bring suspesion (sp?) for an investigation, even for other fire departments, just regular citizens, and other people and organizations in connection or involved. I know I don't have to post anymore, just ask around.

My EMS days and my Fire Service days. How time flys as it's been about 7 years since I was an active EMT/Fire fitghter with my old fire department.

Interesting enough, as me being voted out and all the stuff I put on the internet has effected people in my family, what people say and think of them, or how my actions and posts can effect them in years to comes as in what I do with life will also influence that, I got out my old nursing supplies from when I was in nursting school and played paramedic with two little boys. We just used some tape, IV bags and tubing only, got some wood slints, did blood pressures, got a blanket for a neck brace, bandages, and the things kids can play with the learn first aid and EMS. I'm sure when the fire department comes to their school to teach fire prevention or their friends and clasmates discuss their Dad's, Mom's, or relatives involvement in the fire department, calls, or functions, I'm sure if someone in those two little boy's family that might have been voted out would some how know or be told that it might effect them to where they feel less about themsleves, not accepted, or some how at at fault becasue someone in their family got voted out. So the moral of the story is to do better than every person at that fire department, not only financially, morally, but with anything to do with fire, rescue, or EMS without joining as a retired member, not so much as member that was voted out, kind of goes for fire service organizations, too, and teach those two little boys how to handle themselves, who to avoid, how to be safe, get voted in if they want to join some day, and do things at home with them like expections, cleaning, hose rolls, look at Fire fighting books to teach them in advance, good behavior, good ethics, and so foruth.

Sincerely,
Becky

[Bones42]

too confusing to read. I'm guessing things haven't changed. :cool:

[bobsnyder]

Wow.

I get that she's ****ed because she was rejected for membership in a fire department (or maybe more than one??) in Maryland. I get that she proposed some sort of changes in membership rules to someone in power somewhere in Maryland and must have been ignored or rejected...

...and then we start talking about nomads who roamed south-central Asia in the first few centuries BC (that's who the Scythians were, as best I can tell), movie making, some sort of family melodrama (real, anticipated or imagined...I don't know which), and some other stuff I can't even piece together.

I've seen some cryptic and/or disorganized stuff on the Internet before, but this thread may just be the all-time winner. I can't even offer anything constructive here because I'm not quite sure what the point of all of this is.

Does this thread come with English subtitles, or something??

[Bones42]

All I see is "This person is on your Ignore List." :cool:

[DeWitt7]

they can go right ahead and delete it. I am not an EMT or fire fighter anyway, really will not put up with the bull____, and I'm sure if you guys can't get history, movie making, and so foruth, then you are losers, too, probably at fire fightering, too. There are better things, other ways, and a misfit just staying off this message board not being bothered with these posts or the open door policy, isn't there? I feel better not reading this or postig here, as I do not intend to be a fire fighter again or have anything to do with fire, rescue, EMS, or anything medical.

Sincerely,
Becky

[DrParasite]

Originally posted by DeWitt7
they can go right ahead and delete it. I am not an EMT or fire fighter anyway, really will not put up with the bull____, and I'm sure if you guys can't get history, movie making, and so foruth, then you are losers, too, probably at fire fightering, too. I have a Bachelors degree in history from an accredited university. so I probably know more about history than you do, including both times Russia was invaded. Both my college roomates were film students from one of the best television radio and film schools in the nation, so I know a little about that. and since you're not an EMT or a Firefighter, and I'm both, I'm betting I know a little bit more than you do about this topic (and Bones and Bob probably knows more about fire than I will ever know). Yeah, you want to call me a loser, go right ahead, if it makes you feel better about yourself......
Originally posted by DeWitt7

There are better things, other ways, and a misfit just staying off this message board not being bothered with these posts or the open door policy, isn't there? I'm sorry was that english? I reread it three times, and I still can't find one common thought, only several random ones
Originally posted by DeWitt7

I feel better not reading this or postig here, as I do not intend to be a fire fighter again or have anything to do with fire, rescue, EMS, or anything medical.Probably a good idea on both counts. 1) It's probably better for your sanity and 2) it's probably better for those of us in emergency services who can make coherent sentences, as well as for the patients who you would be treating if you were to go back into Fire/Rescue services.

btw becky, you resurrected this thread. if you want it to die, just stop posting in it. it will drop down into the archives, and will never be brought up again. or you can just post in the main forum, and everyone (including many of the heavy hitters) can see how you post, and you can get ****ed at them because they can't understand a word you say either.

Sincerly,
DrP

[dmleblanc]

Bones....take her off your "ignore" list, you're missing some great stuff here....:D

As rambling, disjointed, stream-of-consciousness diatribes go, this is a classic.....



You know I kid a lot on the internet, so you don't know if I'm nuts, just kidding, or pulling your leg.

Hmmmmm........I got an idea.....

I do my own fire fighting, prevention, and safety,

Donna???:D

[DeWitt7]

one who asks to have this thread deleted.

I don't check e-mail notification of replys to this message board, so I should not be getting these e-mails to read this stupid stuff.


"I feel better not reading this or postig here, as I do not intend to be a fire fighter again or have anything to do with fire, rescue, EMS, or anything medical."
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"Probably a good idea on both counts. 1) It's probably better for your sanity and 2) it's probably better for those of us in emergency services who can make coherent sentences, as well as for the patients who you would be treating if you were to go back into Fire/Rescue services."

Why do you think I requested that this tread be deleted? Maybe it will get rid of a Parasite.

:o

Sincerely,
Becky

[Bones42]

dmleblanc, it gave me too many headaches trying to "interpret" it. Reading the quoted sections above is enough to let me know I don't need to go back there.

[DeWitt7]

First of all, you can e-mail this guy instead of posting.

I'm sure you have something else in mind, want to make fun of me, or just...

Honest to God, if you need help interpreting anything I post, but understanably if you can't intrepret anything anyone else's posts, then something is wrong with you or it's you have something else in mind, are playing games with girls life, or could care less if she stays out of trouble, makes money to support herself, or makes a fool out of herself.

Not unless it's women's rights and now this guy says "she's a good looking girl" that is actually terrorism, but it's better and funnier when he says "he's a good looking boy" at good looking men. The movie just came in for those things, until he starts goofing off, and at least isn't mad for the movie theater.

That's stupid to put me through things to see if I will come through, what you can learn, or what I can do becasue it's at my expense. Here's something for you to intrepret, such as being legally responsible for causing anyone to make purchases or spend money while you are putting them through these things, in addition to any expense, debt, or breaking of the law that is not normal.

Now we are getting off base, makes no sense for a message board about an open door policy, and is why I listed firehouse.com as part of the internet lawsuit on www.wellstonforum.com/4d

The out was called.

Sincerely,
Becky

[MEckert129]

OMG! havent you figured out in 2 years that nobody cared then and we still dont care!

[DeWitt7]

Here's how much I care...

http://cms.firehouse.com/forums2/member2.php?action=usub&type=allthread

Sincerely,
Center

[Steamer]

It's been a loooong time since I've not been able to deciper/translate someone's post. In this case I haven't been able to make sense of anything you've written. The smartest thing you've posted here was: I feel better not reading this or postig here, as I do not intend to be a fire fighter again or have anything to do with fire, rescue, EMS, or anything medical.

[Weruj1]

uhmmmmmmmmmmmmm uh ya ..........and stuff ..........

[hwoods]

And I guess that will be me. Back on page one, I asked for clarifying info. I did not get any. Later there was a remark about the Maryland State Firemen's Association, and not being able to re-apply. Totally Wrong. The MSFA has absolutely nothing to do with individual VFD's Membership policies. Any organization in the state of Maryland can do anything they want regarding membership policy, as long as they do not violate Federal Anti-discrimination Laws. In fact, under current law, an "open door" policy would be illegal. My second post, page 2, explains our application process, and it is still the same today, as it was when I posted it. And the real suprise is that it won't be changing.