Fdny Sept.

[nyckftbl]

Has anyone else heard anything or gotten their letters for september? I guess enough people from the old list panicked and got there stuff together, because i am list number 177, and ive heard nothing.

Chris

[FRO516BMX]

my friend spoke to his and my investigator the other day, and she said they had gotten to #138 on the new list, but that was probably as high as they would go for this class, but the next class is going to be a big one (300) or so

[martinez24]

Hey FRO516BMX

It's bizarre, of the info I can get, 34 eligibles remained from the two promotion lists, at the most, 117 would have been appointed from our list to get to the 138 number (that's not skipping anyone, everyone being ready to go minus the 21 eligibles who went through the last class) which would birng the class to 151, meaning 30 or so on the other list (Exam #7029) to get the class of 180 they kept claiming they were having.

I'm wondering what's going on. It's unlikely they took 117 from our list, and I can't imagine there's a huge number from 7029.

They mystery continues...

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[nyckftbl]

I could definitely imagine more than 30 or 40 guys getting hiring from the old list. Its not something that was very probable, because that test was 6 years ago, and its likely most of the people not already hired have moved on. However, for people who did want the job, and suddenly realized september was their last opportunity, I can imagine more than 50 guys getting their CFR D or 30 college credits. I know of 3 or 4 myself, and ive heard other stories, Mostly guys who are already on PD. Like i said, sucks for all of us on the new list, but Im trying to look at it as an opportunity to make sure that i spend these 3 months getting in the best shape of my life, and studying my friends only probie manuals. See you guys at the Rock.

[nyckftbl]

i meant to write old probie manuals, not only, sorry.

[firefiftyfive]

GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU THAT START PROBY SCHOOL TOMORROW MORNING!

[martinez24]

Yeah guys -- and keep us posted

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[Muttly92094]

GOOD LUCK TO ALL THAT ARE GOING INTO THE ROCK 9/13/04!

[nyckftbl]

According to the FDNY website, they reached list number 158 for the Sept. class, and the old list 7029 is now officially done. The next classes put in will consist of mostly of 2043, with some from the promotions lists. I am list number 177. Hope to see you guys in December, barring any unforseen events.

[martinez24]

Well, the good news of this is that they appointed 180 to the September class and that those of us on List 2043 will be the only members of the next classes at least through next Summer. If the next classes are 300 probies per class (as someone mentioned, don't know if that's true or not); then it's not impossible for them to reach 1900 by May.

(Of course I could be hoping this too much with #2363 but if they do reach that number that quick, then it's not unlikely to think a year from now I'll be at the Rock)

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[firefiftyfive]

IF that rumor about 300 in december is true I"m gonna have to figure something out real quick with school and all. Part of me wants that to be true, well actually most of me wants that to be true, but the other part wants me to atleast finish the semester.
On the other hand why would they make a class so big, the past two classes have been relatively small compared to what recent classes have been. Possibly they are trying to get back to a normal hiring rate. But as we have all seen, you never know what the city is up to!

AS ALWAYS GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!

[martinez24]

Who knows what's going on. Maybe it's more cost-effective to add another 120? Maybe the rumors about the extra retirements is true? Who knows -- wish there was some sort of estimate/time frame when they'll be reaching or getting towards our numbers so we can plan.

firefiftyfive - as far as finishing classes, if they get to your number, I think you can defer so you can finish school and join up when you're done. What's your number?

Anyone got any other news?

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[VinnieB]

Originally posted by firefiftyfive

On the other hand why would they make a class so big, the past two classes have been relatively small compared to what recent classes have been. Possibly they are trying to get back to a normal hiring rate. But as we have all seen, you never know what the city is up to!



Well...there are a tremendous amount of retirements still going on...and on average...I noticed about 4 guys a dept order...QUITING?!?!...mostly guys appointed after 2000.

[UDFD26]

I was told that the retirements were basically back to a normal basis and not the extreme number that they were in recent months, but you would know better then me so thanks for the update. i did a little math also and im not sure if it is right but so far they reached list #158. 19 guys were in the first class and 49 in the class right now, so thats 68 guys. i figured it to be a hiring ration of 1 hire for every 2.3 candidates "1:2.3" anybody else come up with something different? sorry im just trying to figure out my chances at 3286. alright be safe brothers and good luck

[firefiftyfive]

Originally posted by martinez24


firefiftyfive - as far as finishing classes, if they get to your number, I think you can defer so you can finish school and join up when you're done. What's your number?


Jim

martinez24@comcast.net


Yea I have thought about deferring but I'm afraid of all the things that could happen if I do that, ie: lost paper work, stop hiring, I somehow get hurt etc. And like all of you I have worked to damn hard to get to where I am, so I am going to take it as soon as it comes. I've never had below a 3.0 in school anyway so one bad semester if I have to miss the last week aint gonna ruin me.

[beef72]

if anyone on list 2043 is pretty high up on the list and has not heard anything i would contact the investigation unit asap.I am 719 and had been waitin to here something since i got my list number in may.Well today i received a letter from the candidate investigation unit that i would be removed from the list if i did not respond in 10 days.They are claiming they sent me a letter for an interview in april and i didnt show up.I never received this letter from them but i live in an apartment so maybe it got lost or something.JUst a heads up to guys who are waiting to stay on top of them,because as in my case they do make mistakes.Good thing they gave me 10 days to respond or i would have been sol. good luck to those waiting

[martinez24]

beef72

Thanks for the update, and keep us posted. That's the best news I've heard so far -- not that you almost got screwed -- but that they're up to the 700's that quickly. It gives those of us with even higher numbers even more hope

Good Luck!

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[beef72]

my advice to anyone is stay on top of the investigation section,thank god i had ten days to respond.I spoke to some investigator a month ago and he told me oh dont worry they will call you for the backround in sept and then i got this letter stating i didnt respond to them.Stay on top of them,good luck everyone

[FatherPierce]

Seriously, keep on on DCAS and the investigators....I'm still waiting on the results of my appeal regarding my city residency.

When I called before the list came out, they told me to wait until the list came out and stop bothering them. When the list came out and I didn't receive my city residency points, they told me I should have worried about it before the list was announced...

They deal with a lot of us, so I'm not surprised that they have an attitude. BUT, get what you need from them, and don't take no for an answer.

By the way, I call regarding the appeal once a month, with still no decision...

#2788 - (Perferably 600's)

[firefiftyfive]

Hey Beef what appointment are you talking about? You are making me a bit nervous. Are you talking about the initial interview where you hand in your packet and all your paper work? And get assigned your medical and psychological date?

[fdnyrules71]

Father Pierce,
Out of curiosity why did they give you crap on your residency, how come you needed to appeal it?

[beef72]

The initial interview packet,they never sent it to me the only letter i got from the city was my list number on 5/12/04.I called an investigator about a month ago and he told me dont worry about it they will contact you after the sept class goes in.On sat 9/18 i received a letter saying i have not returned required paperwork to my investigator and if i dont respond within ten days my name will be removed from the list.The problem is i never got an investigation packet or an investigator for that matter.Any body else run in to this?The good thing is the investigator put her name and number on the sheet,so i called on sat and left a voicemail to her.I will be on the horn on mon morning to her.Good luck to all waiting,hope it is going smoother than mine

[beef72]

good news boys, spoke to my investigator,things will be in full swing now,Thanks for all the advice and numbers

[FRO516BMX]

thats great beef, congrats. did they give you an idea of whether youll make decembers class or not?

[martinez24]

beef - hey congrats man, and that's good news for you.

Did they ever figure out what happened -- why you didn't get your stuff in the first place?

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[firefiftyfive]

Congrats beef I'm glad to hear everthing cleared up for you, it must be a big weight off of your chest!!

[proby2be]

Beef72:
good to hear you got that cleared up-

Things at investigation do seem to be a little disorganized;
I called my investigator on a hunch, just to make sure everything was in order with my paperwork, and sure enough, she tells me that they need an updated copy of my college transcript and a new copy of my updated driver's license, since I recently acquired my CDL class-B as a requirement for my current job. Guess she was planning on telling me at the last minute, but I ruined her plans...
:D

GL to all and make sure you stay on top of your investigators!!

DB

[firefiftyfive]

So far everything has been going pretty well for me, no real problems (knock on wood). But I think I should probably give them a call to make sure I'm all squared away. Can someone give me that #. I never was actually given an investigator , not that I know of anyway.

[beef72]

hey guys, the investigator basically verified my address and said she sent a packet to me in april,which i never received.But she told me its coming and she will schedule me for everything else in the coming weeks.As far as december class is concerned,i doubt it as i have to catch up on everything after the city screwed up.If its march its ok with me because it will give me time to get in better shape lol.good luck everyone#719

[Scsufootball84]

Hi guys, Just an update I talked to my investigator and she told me that I passed my medical and pysch. She is now in the process of doing my background check. She is unsure if I will make the Dec class or not but I have my fingers crossed. I'll keep you guy updated. My list # is just over 500!

[Xtreme911]

Hey all got a few questions if anybody can help:

1: First of all congrats to all the candidates who are moving right along.

2: Does anybody have the number to call to get ahold of the investigation division to see if they have been assigned an investigator? I am above 600 and have done my medical and psych and know my background is on going due to my references and employers getting letters. Any info would help.

3: What are the entry requirements in order to start your first day at the Rock? I hear a mile and a half run but I also hear push ups and sit ups. Any info would be great so that I can start to target my areas that may be lacking.

Thanks a bunch everyone and any information to these questions would be great. Hope to see you all on the fire floor some day.

[martinez24]

Hey Xtreme911:

I can only pass on what I've heard about the first day at the Rock:

1.5 miles in under 12:30;
30 pushups (at their count)
30 situps in a minute
4 pullups

supposedly if you don't do that the first day, you're done. That's what I've been told, but considering I'm #2363 - you'll know that before me! In the meantime, like you, I'm making sure I can do all of the above and beyond.

Good Luck - hope you make the December class

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[FatherPierce]

rules,

I never filled out the residency form!

On the test, they had a check box if you were going to be applying for city residency. I was under the assumption that by checking that box, the test was considered my city residency app. Otherwise, why have the box?

When the city residency form came in the mail, I disregarded it because I figured I already applied.

I admit, I screwed up. But, the appeal is worth it, there's nothing to lose...

#2788

[fdnyrules71]

Father Pierce sorry to hear that :mad:

[fdnyrules71]

wrong smilie im not mad.

[beef72]

hey xtreme, i have to go to metrotech on oct 5 with my investigation packet.I am a little behind the ball,since my packet got lost in the mail coming to me.She did say she will get me a medical and psych right away,but as far as an investigator dont know if i will get assigned one there.Can anyone tell me what to expect the first day when you go to metrotech with your packet?#719

[fdnyrules71]

Guys, for residency points is it mandatory for me to have a NYS drivers license at the time I apply for residency. Reason why ask is that it just occured to me that insurance will go out the freakin roof being in the city. Thanks

[FireMedic87]

When you arrive with your packet, you get sent to the conference room on your left as you walk in. In there will be more hopefulls like yourself. Go to the front and sit, you will get out faster. All they do is call you up to an investigator, not necessarily your investigator. They check to see that you have all of your items and that your packet is filled out correctly. After that, they write you up a sheet with the stuff you missed or need to get. If you don't have something, it does NOT slow up your process, you just need to get it to them. Then you should hear something about a medical and a psych after that. Then you will be given you investigator. That is all I am waiting on, my investigator. Good Luck and see ya around.
Bryan
#785

[firefiftyfive]

Anybody around here in the 600's hear from an investigator or alteast get assigned one????????

[backdraft6]

I dont know if ive been assigned an investigator, but the 3 people that I chose as references already recieved mail regarding my credibility. They also sent my employer and employee verification letter. That's a great sign, means that they have the ball rolling and Im # 776. I dont know about the December class, but March is looking promising.

[Scsufootball84]

That’s weird, I know who my investigator is and I have been in contact with her a few times. But none of the people I put for references have received any letters yet. Last time I spoke with my investigator I thought she said that she had sent them out already or maybe she said she was going to send them out. My list # is just above 500!

[Gollum3976]

I spoke to my investigator yesterday. She says this list will be moving much,much slower than the last list. My number is in the 900's and she said I won't get hired until next summer, so you do the math. She also said class sizes will be smaller, as they are getting up to par on dept. staffing, so dig in boys, it might be a while.

[hopeforthebest]

Hey guys wish you all the best of luck on getting this job. I have a few questions, maybe some light could be shed on with your help. I took my medical in April 04. It is to the best of my knowledge that the medical expires annualy. Also this list is moving a bit slower than anticipated, so if I am not appointed before next april will I have to take the entire medical all over again ? Including the stair/heart rate portion ? Secondly does any one know if the investigators come visit our homes, and or jobs like police depts do for investigations. My list # is in the 600's, haven't heard anything in a long time. To the best of my knowledge it looks like the Dec class is a long shot for my list #, but all we can do is be patient and see what happens.

[martinez24]

hopeforthebest:

This is one of the reasons I ranted in a new thread on the forums here. If you took the medical in April 2004, that was before the list was established, which would make you (and all of us) think that the list is going to move quickly. Especially since the list was established months early.

In answer to your question... a friend of mine who is on the job and is a recent graduate (Dec 2003) had told me that when you get the medical it usually means 6 months to a year and you'll be on the job because the medicals are good for only a year and then they have to restest. Considering how tight for money the city is, I think they're going to be very careful not to go through this trouble of giving medicals if they didn't see you getting on soon.

But what do I know...
Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[firefiftyfive]

Hey Jim, you are right on about the medical, it only lasts for a year, once that year is up they have to give you another one at a very high cost to the city.

HOpeforthebest... I am just like you, in the 600's and have not heard anything. BUT
I got a hold of the investigation unit today down at headquarters and I was like whats going on, did my name fall through the cracks or something. She said no, they were just focusing on getting everyone into the September class and she gave me some wierd explanation as to why they did not get to my name yet, I was not to clear on what she said. However she told me who my investigator was and gave me his phone number and the hours he works. So I am a lot more relaxed after that call today. Call this number bro 718-999-1146, that is the head of the investigation unit, she was very nice and very helpful. This should help clear things up for you. GOODLUCK

[Scsufootball84]

Hey Guys!

Update, my buddy got the first packet on Sat. his list number is in the 1300's! Also the people I put for references still have not received any letters yet and I'm in the low 500's.

Rob

[VinnieB]

Originally posted by Scsufootball84
Hey Guys!

Also the people I put for references still have not received any letters yet and I'm in the low 500's.

Rob

Rob you might want to check on that. I am in the mid 500's and mine have all been received and returned...some time back in Early August.....but that's maybe because I was EMS prior and my invest only has to be back dated to after I got hired?????

[martinez24]

Did any of you guys get this recruitment newsletter from the FDNY with a list of FAQ? I got it in the mail on Friday, and among other things, there's a note that if your list number is below 3,000 you will probably get a call for the job and that the ratio of calls to hire is 3 to 1.

Also, they re-iterate that you do not need CFR-D before the academy, although it is suggested.

At least I feel a little bit better about my prospects than I did last week.

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[VinnieB]

Yeah I got it on Friday....I saw the return address before I opened it...it did get my hopes high...then blaaaaaa...what a tease...:mad:

[martinez24]

VinnieB -- you too! F&*()%^G Tease is right!

Waiting, waiting, waiting...

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[beef72]

what's up guys? I just got back from metrotech this morning to bring a couple of things to my investigator.He gave me a physical preparation manual and told me he doubts i will get in until summer or early fall.I honestly dont think they have any idea when you will get in but it seems like the hiring is slowing a bit.goodluck to everyone#719

[martinez24]

beef72 -- probably the most acurate line is they don't have any idea... I had a thought today that maybe they have to get this contract done and figure out what they have budgeted for before they can do sizable hirings. It's the only explanation I can think of at this point considering everyone has gotten a different story.

Until Friday when Vinnie B and I got that "recruitment newsletter" I didn't think I'd get called with my number (2363) yet they seemed to be saying that everyone up to 3000 would get a call.


firefiftyfive -- did you hear anything more yet?

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[firefiftyfive]

naaa Jim not really, I got that same flyer BS as you, just aggravated me really. I did however get a hold of the investigation unit down there and found out my investigator and stuff which makes me feel better that I have not slipped through the cracks. So I will probably call my investigator within the next week or so, I'm not to worried because now I know that he has my file and will be in the process in the near future. As far as when I'm gonna get on I'm up in the air just like everyone else but I think I am loooking at the March class which would be great, this way I can finish this semester of school.

[UDFD26]

needless to say when I recieved the FAQ letter in the mail it was very discouraging being that im sitting at 3286. I decided to send an email to the investigation unit and this was the reply i recieved

"The advice you mentioned from the FAQ's (published by FDNY's recruitment unit) regarding taking the next firefighter test if your list number was over 3000 - was not meant to imply we wouldn't reach 3000. We honestly don't know how high on the list we will go over a four year period."


I think that is the most straight forward answer I have gotton since I recieved my list number in may, so im just gonna keep the faith, good luck to everyone.

[martinez24]

UDFD26 -- you're right, that does sound like the most straightforward thing any of us has heard on this forum! Particularly comforting to me was the line "was not meant to imply we wouldn't reach 3000." Made my day -- thinking now that maybe this will happen for me

keep well brother

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[Scsufootball84]

Hi Guys,
I got some good info from one of my buddies that had just gone through the rock. He said that they give you a physical test the second day there, if you don't pass then you have to be at the rock one hour earlier than everyone else to do physical training for your entire time there. Then at the end they test you again and if you don't pass then they will throw you out. So get in shape or THEY WILL PUT YOU IN SHAPE! Also I spoke with my investigator about my references not recieving letters yet, and she said that every investigator does thing differently. She waits untill she gets to your case and then she sends the letters. So she said my letters will go out this week. Hope this helps! List # low 500's!

[fdnyrules71]

Interesting, I heard from some guys that they test physical fitness first day at the rock If you fail apparently you have to go back to metrotech and do the stairmaster event again, if you fail that then your forced to resign. It would be nice though if its true that they train you up and than give you the boot if you fail.

[farmfire79]

Guys if you look in that newsletter it does talk about the 1.5 mile run and the time you have to do it in. I think it is something like 12 min.?, but i'm not sure its not in front of me, but pretty easy. Anyway If they are only recommending that those above 3000 take the next test it sounds like they are pretty dam confident that they will at least reach 3000. because they are always conservative when talking about numbers to not give any false hope.. so i see that as good news even though I am 3300 I don't know how you all feel about it but trying to be optimistic......hopefully our list will really start to be active in dec.

[UDFD26]

im with you farmfire, sitting at 3286 im just keeping the faith and praying, look at it as plenty of time to get prepared. oh yea does anyone know if the pull ups are palms in or out, lol i can do alot more with my palms in then with them out, thanks and good luck

[proby2be]

palms out...:D

[firefiftyfive]

Originally posted by UDFD26
pull ups are palms in or out, lol i can do alot more with my palms in then with them out, thanks and good luck

that's because palms in are much easier, most people can do more with their palms out.

[Muttly92094]

Ok the 1st 2 days at the rock are all paperwork. On the day that you actually start doing things, you have the 1.5 mile run. You MUST do it in under 13mins, anything over 13 minutes they will send you back to metrotech and you have to go back onto the stairmaster. If you heart rate goes above the allowed rate you can be terminated. BUT - you also get a shot at the next class. One guy from my squad didnt do the run in under 13, he went back to metrotech and I saw on the department orders that he is in the class right now. Good luck bro! hopefully your in A-2-2 again. :?)

As for the rest of the PT, if you dont do the 30 situps, 30 pushups or the 4 pullups you'll have to go to remedial for a few weeks prior to rollcall...

GOOD LUCK BROTHERS!!!!

[FRO516BMX]

also a post for those waiting to start their investigations...my buddy is #1600 something, and he called up to see how things are going, and they told him theyre up to #1500 and that his packet will be sent out with the next group of packets, within the next 2 months or so...just some info for the vine guys...

[VinnieB]

I got a call from my invest. today...I asked him what he could tell me...Hey says they plan to get to around list # 425 for Dec....and for March well into the 500's.

[backdraft6]

VinnieB:
I got a call from my invest. today...I asked him what he could tell me...Hey says they plan to get to around list # 425 for Dec....and for March well into the 500's.

That's kind of odd to me, if the FDNY is hiring at a ratio of 1:3 and are only going ot reach into the 500's, something is got to be wrong. If you do your math correctly and you say that their going to reach #425 for Dec. class, then wouldnt they reach well into the 700's at that ratio, if the class size is 100-125?
Just trying to make sense of all of this, im getting a little anxious here at #776, and hoping to get into the march class. Anyone know how big the class size is for Dec & Mar?

[martinez24]

Maybe they are under-reporting rather than getting people to speculate too far ahead? The consensus seems to be that they are hiring 150-180 per class.

And I hear you about being anxious, with #2363.

Still ****ed the Yanks choked. No one believes me, when I told them they should never have traded Tino Martinez for Jason Giambi. That was the beginning of the end right there\

Take it easy guys

Jim

martinez24@comcast.net

[UDFD26]

I dont know if this helps any but I know it makes me feel better, I keep hearing from numerous sources "including an old article in the chief leader" that the cut off score on an FDNY list is 95. that anyone below 95 doesnt have a chance. I know that makes me breath a little easier because even though i am sitting at 3286, i scored at 96 on the written, my written then changed to a 97.6 and I got a 100 on my agility. hope this helps, be safe brothers, good luck and keep the faith

[VinnieB]

Originally posted by backdraft6


That's kind of odd to me, if the FDNY is hiring at a ratio of 1:3 and are only going ot reach into the 500's, something is got to be wrong.

I would say its best to not try an square root the information. What I wrote is comprable with what my new invest told me and also what my invest form when I was hired w/ EMS told me.

Time will only tell. It just best to sit back and let it happen as it happens.

[hopeforthebest]

With reguard to the 1 to 3 ratio, It does seem like it does not make sense, and that they should be going further in Dec, and march then they say, But you have to understand that the 1 to 3 ratio isn't an exact scientifical formula, Also on that note when I went in for my first time to hand in the paperwork in april, I also got finger printed, and the investigator that was doing the printing basically told us that the candidates on the top of the list (I figure around the top 1000) are more likely to all be eligable, and take the job than people with a higher list #, so basically figure the list to move slow now, and then in a few months move faster. The best advise I ever got even up to this point is to try as hard as you can to keep your mind off it untill it happens, I know it is very hard to do but it makes the wait go by faster, I wish you all the best of luck.

[mfd2house]

Can anyone that has tkaen the medical test tell me how much time you had from when you were notified until when you had to go take the test.

[FRO516BMX]

2 weeks, and that was b/c i asked for a later date...a few of the other guys had 2-3 days

[UDFD26]

Hey brothers, hope everyone is well as we sit here waiting. I just read this on http://nyc.gov/html/fdny/insider/index.shtml its under civilian bulletins "october 21st." on page 6 under upcoming examinations. It states "filing for the promotional exam originally scheduled for October 6-October 26 2004 has been indefinitly postponed." I figured that was pretty intresting. alright brothers take care and keep the faith.

[beef72]

anyone who took the psychological in oct get notified for the medical yet? thx