This is politicly in-corrrect, therefore I must post it. It works this time.

[stm4710]

:D "Now thats funny right there, I dont care who you are." -Larry the Cable guy.

LINK (http://www.beecy.net/frank/)

[stm4710]

What the hell is the deal with the server??

Here it is anyway,


:D "Now thats funny right there, I dont care who you are." -Larry the Cable guy.

LINK (http://www.beecy.net/frank/)

[stm4710]

Whats the deal with the servers? I keep getting an error message when I make a new thread but not post.

Any way.

:D "Now thats funny right there, I dont care who you are." -Larry the Cable guy.

LINK (http://www.beecy.net/frank/)

[Station2Capt]

stm4710 I agree that was politicly in-correct it was also in bad taste to place a link such as that in a forum for firefighters. I hope you dont think a song making fun of 9/11 is funny. I may be over reacting here what does everyone else think.

[Firefighter631]

Par for the course Cap, it seems his Rectal-Cranial Inversion is flaring up again.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[42VTExplorer]

It's not exactly making fun of 9/11...I think it's aimed more at making fun of "towelheads".

It's not PC, but alot of things in the world aren't either...

[PFire23]

:rolleyes:

[mcaldwell]

Pretty tasteless in my opinion.

Stupid jokes like that just serve to propogate false stereotypes. You know, sort of like the one that says Americans are rude, self-centered, and insensitive to other nationalities (and we wonder why it just won't go away). :rolleyes:

[stm4710]

Originally posted by mcaldwell
Pretty tasteless in my opinion.

Stupid jokes like that just serve to propogate false stereotypes.

What false sterotypes? In the history of airplane hi-jackings how many were calm and collective white guys?:rolleyes: Nope, all have been radical militant muslims.



FFB ;)

[EFD840]

I have been kicked off firehouse.com twice.

Workin' on the hat trick?

[SPFDRum]

stm, I'll admit, I liked it, and I don't care about what type of stereotype message it sends.
All you people on your high horse thinking that feeling bad because this song may hurt some feeling, get over it. I've said it before, i'll say it again- radical, extremist, muslim terrorists don't like you, or me, or anything American.
Why do people feel guilty about being an American?

[TillerMan25]

I have heard that before and thought it was funny.

Mcaldwell, when you become "sensitive" to other nationalities, you get what happened on 9-11. If Canada wasn't so "sensitive" to these vermin, maybe they would not have been able to come into this country.


If you want to see what America would look like with John Kerry as the POTUS, look to the North at Canada (East of Alberta.)


EFD, I have to admit the "Hat Trick" comment made me chuckle. I miss Hockey....:(

[Dalmatian90]

It's funny...IMHO.

As for who committs hijacking, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking is kind of interesting in which group comes up in perponderence for the "significant" ones.

Wonder if hijacking has continued to decline since then -- and while the Sinatra parody may have been in humors, there's attitudes there that are important.

If we become a society in a straight-jacket of "politically correct" intolerance, we're in far worse shape then one that can joke around -- but still understand what is humor and what is reality.

[PFire23]

Originally posted by TillerMan25
Mcaldwell, when you become "sensitive" to other nationalities, you get what happened on 9-11. If Canada wasn't so "sensitive" to these vermin, maybe they would not have been able to come into this country.

Tiller, post factually, NOT all the terrorists enter the US from Canada (I know you did not directly say that ALL entered from Canada, however, from the tone of your post it would seem that is what you are implying). That's a derogatory, inflammatory, blame laying statement. Does anyone know, statistically how many "suspected" terrorists cross the border from Canada to the US??? I'm not saying that Canada doesn't have a complacent attitude toward allowing people into the the country, however I don't think laying blame is right either. I have my views on the amount of immigrants allowed into any one given country and the liberties allowed to said immigrants, however, I'll keep those opinions to myself to avoid offending anyone.

[TillerMan25]

NOT all the terrorists enter the US from Canada.

No, but some of the 9-11 terrorists did and the guy who was planning on Blowing up LAX on New Year's Eve 1999 came through Canada. That's enough for me to pass the judgement.

[Dalmatian90]

Hey Tiller...read
http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/FakeIDAfter911.html
Before throwing stones.

[PFire23]

Originally posted by TillerMan25
No, but some of the 9-11 terrorists did and the guy who was planning on Blowing up LAX on New Year's Eve 1999 came through Canada. That's enough for me to pass the judgment.

Yes Tiller, there was a case of one being detained after taking the Coho to Seattle, however, the US has let several in through their immigration process in the past too. It does no good to dwell on "what has happened", the time has come to rectify and change practices to avoid similar occurrences from happening. Playing the blame game does not bring forth change, it simply passes responsibility and ownership of a problem from one to another.

[ChiefReason]

Regardless of where they entered this country, the fact remains that we are a tolerant society and don't want impediments to our enjoyment of coffee, movies, sporting events or air flights.
We have been told by the highest courts that we must condone the beliefs/actions of those different from our's and that we cannot profile people based on religion, race or gender.
With that said, I can't help but be cynical of someone with explosives strapped to their chest and let's be REAL honest here; there is only one culture currently more likely to do that than any other race or religion. I'll give you gender. Both men and women are blowing themselves up.
The reality is that I am not as tolerant or patient as I once was. I am suspicious of particular sects. I have a strong dislike for people who would like to see indiscriminant harm to Americans.
I like to hear that some were captured or killed.
And I won't apologize for that.
CR

[glowpop]

Originally posted by TillerMan25
If Canada wasn't so "sensitive" to these vermin, maybe they would not have been able to come into this country.

I don't think that it's Canada's job to protect our borders. That's why we have INS. We need to do a better job making sure that we let people in that have a legitimate reason to be here, that we track them when they are here, and ship them out when their Visas expire. And I'm willing to pay more federal tax dollars to pay for this just as soon as all the Senators and Congressman in the US Congress stop discretionary spending.

That means all of them, regardless of nationality, race, ethnic origin and religion.

If you want to become a U.S. Citizen follow the rules just like we are supposed to do in any other country, even Canada.

Sorry rant off now.

[DennisTheMenace]

Originally posted by glowpop


I don't think that it's Canada's job to protect our borders. That's why we have INS. We need to do a better job making sure that we let people in that have a legitimate reason to be here, that we track them when they are here, and ship them out when their Visas expire. And I'm willing to pay more federal tax dollars to pay for this just as soon as all the Senators and Congressman in the US Congress stop discretionary spending.

That means all of them, regardless of nationality, race, ethnic origin and religion.

If you want to become a U.S. Citizen follow the rules just like we are supposed to do in any other country, even Canada.

Sorry rant off now. If Canada wants open borders with us as they were pre-9/11, then they need to take care of who they let on to the continent through their ports of entry.

Paying for such protection would be another discretionary spending, just one that you would like rather then one that others like. It is all a big balancing act, that for all its wobles is done pretty darn well in the agregate.

[PFire23]

Originally posted by DennisTheMenace
If Canada wants open borders with us as they were pre-9/11, then they need to take care of who they let on to the continent through their ports of entry.

I agree with you 100% on this DTM.

[mcaldwell]

Tiller & STM

You know this may sound a little cynical, but your opinions that the towel-heads, or whatever you want to call them are the core of the US’s problems is really a narrow and ignorant viewpoint. And the fact that Canada is “sensitive” simply means we are not on very many people’s target list.

In the last hundred years, the US has hated the Germans for the first two WW’s, the Japanese for Pearl Harbor, the Koreans for the Korean War, the Russians (or communists in general) for the cold war, the Cubans for the missile crisis, the Vietnamese for the Vietnam War, and most recently the Muslims for the terrorism. Oh, and lets not forget the blacks over the last couple of hundred years too. Are there any other evil empires, nationalities, or races that I’ve missed?

We lets not forget that many of the same Muslim terrorists that are attacking and plotting against you know were once trained by your intelligence community to fight the Russians (who apparently aren’t so evil anymore). Saddam Hussein was armed and funded by the US during the Iran-Iraq war, and the Saudi’s have been the privately funded oilfield of the US for 30 years. And the guys who blew up the Oklahoma City building were Americans too.

The simple fact is, no single nationality, race, or religion is evil, and every war or significant attack of the last hundred years was perpetrated by a few “evil” or misguided individuals who managed to manipulate large groups of people towards their cause. The “Muslims” are the enemy of the week, and once their leadership either gets suppressed by US and international efforts, or they lose their ability to fund and recruit to their cause, they will disappear off the map and some other group will take up their place. Every time you propagate the stereotype of the rude, insensitive American, you only help to motivate another misdirected young kid to attend a training camp, or strap a bomb to his chest and expand the risk from this particular kind of threat.

In my personal opinion, it is more important to stay focused on who the enemy really is, or you’ll only serve to create more enemies.

[Dalmatian90]

Guys, look at your own houses before throwing stones.

Oh, and lets not forget the blacks over the last couple of hundred years too.

You, in one stroke, managed to exhibit the same bigotted, intolerant, ignorant attitude you disdain in others.

[mcaldwell]

Originally posted by Dalmatian90
Guys, look at your own houses before throwing stones.

Oh, and lets not forget the blacks over the last couple of hundred years too.

You, in one stroke, managed to exhibit the same bigotted, intolerant, ignorant attitude you disdain in others.

C'mon Dal, If you can't see the complete and utter sarcasm in my post... :rolleyes:

[ffexpCP]

My trip to Canada last week went something like this

Entering Canada: Citizenship?
US
What’s the purpose for your visit?
Wing night at the bar.
Have a good evening.
(they never asked for ID)
Exchanging Currency: ID blacklight test
Studys ID picture
Swipes ID in data reader.
Sir, you'll have to leave your pocket knife at the coatcheck.
Entering US: Where do you live?
Soo, MI
Everyone US citizens?
Yes sir.
How long and why were you in Canada?
A few hours, we went to wing night.
(peaks in the back of my car)
Have a good night.

Wow, what a comprehensive interrogation. I feel safe. The currency exchange at the casino looked at our IDs more than the borders did.

[stm4710]

Originally posted by ffexpCP
My trip to Canada last week went something like this

Entering Canada: Citizenship?
US
What’s the purpose for your visit?
Wing night at the bar.
Have a good evening.
(they never asked for ID)
Exchanging Currency: ID blacklight test
Studys ID picture
Swipes ID in data reader.
Sir, you'll have to leave your pocket knife at the coatcheck.
Entering US: Where do you live?
Soo, MI
Everyone US citizens?
Yes sir.
How long and why were you in Canada?
A few hours, we went to wing night.
(peaks in the back of my car)
Have a good night.

Wow, what a comprehensive interrogation. I feel safe. The currency exchange at the casino looked at our IDs more than the borders did.
This is very true, very true. I have been to the land up north and the everytime at the border is the same thing you just described.......only they ask if we had anything to declare.....got to make sure they get paid on both sides you know.:rolleyes:


God I would hate for the people of FH.COM to goto a comedy club together. 1/3 would be ROFLMAO over a good draught,1/3 would be be on the kenningston von snoute high horse and the other third would be argueing why the other two couldnt get along and wear tradition helmets and use smoothbore nozzles.:p :rolleyes:

[glowpop]

Originally posted by ffexpCP
Entering US: Where do you live?
Soo, MI
Everyone US citizens?
Yes sir.
How long and why were you in Canada?
A few hours, we went to wing night.
(peaks in the back of my car)
Have a good night.

Wow, what a comprehensive interrogation. I feel safe. The currency exchange at the casino looked at our IDs more than the borders did.

This is exactly what I was referring to. At least the US Border Patrol should ask for photo ID from everyone entering the US. While I know that drivers licences can be forged, asking everyone for a photo ID would at least make things a little more difficult for those who would do us harm.

And DTM, the discretionary spending I'm referring to is those items that are not Constitutionally given to the US Government, like funding research into the sex lives of the north american squirrel, grants to fund questionable art, or to fund condom and needle distrubution to drug addicts. Protecting our borders from those who are not given permission to enter is our responsibility. I agree that Canada could do more, but in absense of them doing a better job we should be doing more.

[protomkv]

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Originally posted by ffexpCP
Entering US: Where do you live?
Soo, MI
Everyone US citizens?
Yes sir.
How long and why were you in Canada?
A few hours, we went to wing night.
(peaks in the back of my car)
Have a good night.

Wow, what a comprehensive interrogation. I feel safe. The currency exchange at the casino looked at our IDs more than the borders did.

Exactly the same at the Mexican border, My accent is unmistakably English, I came back into the USA at the El Paso crossing and the border patrol just asked "are you a US citizen", no ID check whatsoever, good job I dont have terrorist intentions.

[DennisTheMenace]

If Canadia and Mexico would just check their points of entry better, then we would not need anyone at either border.

[glowpop]

Our safety is our responsibility. We shouldn't depend on anyone else to do it for us.

In fact lets use your argument to the absurd.

"If only Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran would only make sure that those pesky terrorists wouldn't get on the plane leaving for New York, then we wouldn't need agents from INS at Kennedy Airport either."

We shouldn't depend on others to protect our citizens and our homeland. I'm not saying that we need to entirely close our country to immigration, but we need to make sure that everyone here has entered properly and we keep track of them once they are here. When their visa's expire we should make sure that they leave.

The fact that we have open borders with Mexico and Canada should also be examined and we should discuss with their governments how we can work together to protect ourselves, BUT we shouldn't give up our right to protect ourselves to other countries.