She's Back

[CaptainS]

>>>>>> U.S. MOTHER APPEALS TO IRISH


A leading member of the American Anti-war movement and a mother
of a US soldier killed in Iraq has called on the Dublin
government to stop being "complicit in war crimes."

Cindy Sheehan, who was speaking in Dublin yesterday before a
meeting with Foreign Minister Dermot Ahern, called on the Irish
people to stop allowing US military planes using Shannon Airport.

The airport in south County Clare has been used by the US
military as an airbase for several years, in continuing
contradiction of Ireland's stated policy of military neutrality.

"I am here to rally the people of Ireland to resist their
government in any way they can from being complicit in this and
being accomplices in the crimes my government is committing in
Iraq.

"Not only as people from Ireland but as human beings. What we are
allowing our countries to do is wrong.

"I am here to join with the Irish peace movement to call a halt
to what is going on (at Shannon)."

Sheehan lead the protests against the war at President George
Bush's ranch in Texas during the summer.

The Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern told the Dublin
parliament this week that United States has given Ireland
"repeated, clear and explicit assurances" that no prisoners had
been transferred through Shannon Airport, in south County Clare.

"My son was one of the 240,000 troops that went through Shannon.
The last letter we got from him he talked about stopping in
Shannon, he talked about buying a soda and the amount of euros it
cost and how many euros he got back from the soda machine.

"He talked about meeting a woman who spotted his name Sheehan who
saw it on his uniform. And she talked to him about his Irish name
and Ireland and the family history."

Cindy Sheehan's husband's family is of Irish descent from Cork.

"That meeting in Shannon was very important to him, it was so
important that he put it in his journal and he put it in the last
letter he wrote us.

"But he never posted it, because it came with his things when he
came back. Because he was in Iraq only five days before he was
killed."

"This is Casey here on the badge that I am wearing. This is the
face of somebody who came through your country. The people who
work in Shannon I wonder if they think, 'I wonder if this soldier
will come back through?'

"Or will this young person go back home in a box? Or will this
young person walk off a plane and then come home in a wheel
chair?"

Ms Sheehan said Ireland was "letting humanity down" by not
inspecting what she described as the "torture planes" being
operated by CIA through Shannon.

"Ireland has every right to inspect those planes they are landing
on Irish soil. Ireland has been a great friend to the United
States for many years but Ireland is not a satellite of America
you are an independent state and you have to act independently.

"I think President Regan said 'Trust but verify' and that is what
you have to do you have to verify. And if there is nothing to
hide then our government should not want to hide it."

Ms Sheehan later praised the minister for allowing a meeting with
her.

"For one thing, if your government is in the pocket of our
government then it was a brave move. Because nobody from my
government will meet me," Ms Sheehan said.

"One of the things your minister told me is that Shannon is being
used because that is the way it's always been, even during the
Vietnam war. I said: 'Great! You allow them use your airport for
one immoral illegal war and now you allow them use it for
another'," she said.

IRISH REPUBLICAN NEWS
http://republican-news.org

I guess she will never go away :(

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[DaSharkie]

While I respect her right to free speech, I wish she would shut up. Thankfully I can watch the news and read a newspaper without seeing her name or face in it every single day.

Of course there was her book signing that no one showed up for. I laughed at that. Boy did I laugh.

[RyanEMVFD]

Maybe she'll lose her passport or customs won't let her through.

[RadRob]

How ironic would it be if she were taken hostage while abroad by the same terrorists we are fighting? Think we should refuse to take action because war is bad? Wonder if she would change her tune then.

[ThNozzleman]

How ironic would it be if she were taken hostage while abroad by the same terrorists we are fighting? Think we should refuse to take action because war is bad? Wonder if she would change her tune then.
Keep wishing, sicko.

[ThNozzleman]

Of course there was her book signing that no one showed up for. I laughed at that. Boy did I laugh.
Not entirely accurate. Just an attempt to discredit the woman further by using shoddy reporting, which was picked up by every conservative site and spread as some kind of political bellwether. A small event, on Thanksgiving weekend, in the middle of nowhere...what did you expect? Thousands? Just the usual right-wing misleading smear tactics that they used when they went after Kerry. No big surprise, there.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_conten t_id=1001572310

[SSTONER]

Not entirely accurate. Just an attempt to discredit the woman further by using shoddy reporting, which was picked up by every conservative site and spread as some kind of political bellwether. A small event, on Thanksgiving weekend, in the middle of nowhere...what did you expect? Thousands? Just the usual right-wing misleading smear tactics that they used when they went after Kerry. No big surprise, there.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_conten t_id=1001572310

Noone discredited her - she did that all by herself. Why is she in Ireland? - because nobody can take her seriously any longer here.

[DaSharkie]

Not entirely accurate. Just an attempt to discredit the woman further by using shoddy reporting, which was picked up by every conservative site and spread as some kind of political bellwether. A small event, on Thanksgiving weekend, in the middle of nowhere...what did you expect? Thousands? Just the usual right-wing misleading smear tactics that they used when they went after Kerry. No big surprise, there.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_conten t_id=1001572310

While I understand your point Noz, I have to wonder what in the heck she and her publisher were thinking? For the same reasons that you list, why would you invite the press to a book signing, on Thanksgiving weekend, in the middle of nowhere, at a "small event?"

Then you turn around and bitch about the media (which you invited) for taking and publishing a picture of you sitting in an empty tent? I mean come on. What in the heck did you expect folks? With such a "high profile" thing, you would think that her publisher would want to control media reporting on it a bit more.

As for the Right Wing web sites picking it up, again, what did she expect? Nothing different than pictures of Bush, Rice, Cheney, or anyone else working their way around.

As for me, I first saw it on MSNBC on-line. Still laughed. It's just funny the way so many have drooled over her very existence and then she is shown to be no better than the average joe shmoe out there working every day. Some days are good, some days are bad.

I'd still wish she would just go away. Unlike others nothing bad to happen, just for her to shut up and go away.

[ChicagoFF]

Keep wishing, sicko.
He didn't say he was wishing for it to happen and why are you so big on name calling?

[RadRob]

DASHARK and NOZ - I never said I wished it would happen. I would never want anything to happen to her, just think it would be ironic. But hey, what do we expect from noz? He reads everything and then twists it to fit what he wants.

[DaSharkie]

Wasn't necessarily meaning you. Some would wish her harm or ill will.

Let her exercise her free speech, her and her supporters shouldn't complain when others exercise theirs. It is a two way street (though some think otherwise.)

[ThNozzleman]

For the same reasons that you list, why would you invite the press to a book signing, on Thanksgiving weekend, in the middle of nowhere, at a "small event?"
Because, unlike the picture commonly painted by the conservatives, she genuinely cares about her cause. She is not in this for any other reason than she truly cares about our people dying for a cause that is not worthy of their sacrifice.
Then you turn around and bitch about the media (which you invited) for taking and publishing a picture of you sitting in an empty tent? I mean come on. What in the heck did you expect folks? With such a "high profile" thing, you would think that her publisher would want to control media reporting on it a bit more.
That isn't her issue. The issue is that the photos were used out of context to push the premise that she's "washed up" or that America has had enough of her. She answered these absurd ideas, just as any of you would have.
I'd still wish she would just go away. Unlike others nothing bad to happen, just for her to shut up and go away.
Why? Obviously, the rightwingers portraying her as some selfserving bitch who hates our military are wrong. As far as I'm concerned, she can keep up the good fight, regardless of how many wish she would "just go away."
I have a feeling that the conservatives are starting to wish a LOT of things would just go away, these days.
He didn't say he was wishing for it to happen and why are you so big on name calling?
Me? Name-calling? Heh...you sure haven't been around here very long. After the way I've been treated by several members of this forum, I really don't care, any more. Besides, his post was dripping with the ol' "that would server her right" line of thinking. Just the general viciousness shown towards this woman by the conservative mouthpieces is enough to convince me that most would laugh hsyterically if anything like this were to happen to her.
But, hey...maybe I'm wrong. If I am, my apologies.

[ThNozzleman]

Noone discredited her - she did that all by herself. Why is she in Ireland? - because nobody can take her seriously any longer here.
A perfect example. You think nobody in America takes her position seriously? Really? Man, do I have a bridge you need...

[RadRob]

A perfect example. You think nobody in America takes her position seriously? Really? Man, do I have a bridge you need...

How many people agree with her? If there are soooo many, where are they? And to say "She is not in this for any other reason than she truly cares about our people dying for a cause that is not worthy of their sacrifice" really dishonors the troops who have fallen by saying they died for nothing. People from all the wars where "we shouldn't have been there" (like Vietnam) get offended when someone says that all the lives lost were for nothing.

[ThNozzleman]

How many people agree with her? If there are soooo many, where are they? And to say "She is not in this for any other reason than she truly cares about our people dying for a cause that is not worthy of their sacrifice" really dishonors the troops who have fallen by saying they died for nothing. People from all the wars where "we shouldn't have been there" (like Vietnam) get offended when someone says that all the lives lost were for nothing.
That's exactly why you shouldn't start stupid, needless wars in the first place...especially when you attempt to justify it with half-truths, outright lies, and scare tactics. There was no pressing need to invade Iraq. Just what do you think she's in it for? Just to get attention? To sell a book? Come on...you guys need to adjust your pattern of thinking. She lost her son in a needless war that didn't need to be fought. Her speaking out dishonors no one, except the fools that started this mess.

[RadRob]

That's exactly why you shouldn't start stupid, needless wars in the first place...especially when you attempt to justify it with half-truths, outright lies, and scare tactics. There was no pressing need to invade Iraq. Just what do you think she's in it for? Just to get attention? To sell a book? Come on...you guys need to adjust your pattern of thinking. She lost her son in a needless war that didn't need to be fought. Her speaking out dishonors no one, except the fools that started this mess.

Try asking someone who has been to war and not just someone here posting about it. Ask someone who lost a friend or someone close to them on the battlefield of one of these "needless" wars. Ask them if it dishonors the fallen brother for dying needlessly. What do you feel about firefighters dying from a meth lab explosion? There is no need to put out one of those fires. It is pointless. They will simply set up another one somewhere else. I guess those firefighters died needlessly huh? Maybe we should start protesting the fire service for putting our brothers at risk doing something they believe in.

No need to invade Iraq? Man, I wish I was in your wonderful world where you aren't threatened by people fostering terrorist camps, funding terrorists, and helping terrorists by sheltering them. Those reasons alone are reason enough to invade, let alone the fact that there have been massive graves uncovered that the "innocent" Iraqi leader filled up. But hey, we should mind our business and let the man continue the genocide that region has experienced. You're right, what do we care about what happens over there, it's not bothering us.

Is ignorance really bliss?

[RadRob]

Quick question for you Nozz... How do you feel about prayer in the firehouse? Not really relavant, just wonder about your take on the issue.

[DaSharkie]

Because, unlike the picture commonly painted by the conservatives, she genuinely cares about her cause. She is not in this for any other reason than she truly cares about our people dying for a cause that is not worthy of their sacrifice.

Never said she didn't care. I am just sick of the press going all gaga over her. Someone is paying for her message and her living expenses and it isn't her - Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Moveon.org, and others. Now she has taken on speaking engagements FOR A FEE against the war.

That isn't her issue. The issue is that the photos were used out of context to push the premise that she's "washed up" or that America has had enough of her. She answered these absurd ideas, just as any of you would have.

The photos were used out of context by people other than the original printers. So she is mad at the AP for printing a picture that was used by someone else for ill will. Kind of like blaming a firearm manufacturer for some gang banger thug using a stolen firearm to commit a murder.

Why? Obviously, the rightwingers portraying her as some selfserving bitch who hates our military are wrong. As far as I'm concerned, she can keep up the good fight, regardless of how many wish she would "just go away."
I have a feeling that the conservatives are starting to wish a LOT of things would just go away, these days.

This is not about the right wingers, this about our own thoughts. I do not think that she is self serving.

I find many of her actions objectionable and I don't care for it. It is her right to say what she thinks, but I think that it harms the troops abroad - just my feeling.

I also think that she is allowing herself to be used by greater powers for a greater cause than herself, which cheapens her statements and her broader message.

Some of the statements that she has made do make me question her respect for the men and women in uniform, which I have posted before.

Just how I feel.

[ThNozzleman]

Try asking someone who has been to war and not just someone here posting about it. Ask someone who lost a friend or someone close to them on the battlefield of one of these "needless" wars. Ask them if it dishonors the fallen brother for dying needlessly.
Oh, I have. The guys I know fully understand that starting a war in which thousands will die is very serious, and should not be done because one group of chickenhawk profiteers and imperialists want to.
What do you feel about firefighters dying from a meth lab explosion? There is no need to put out one of those fires. It is pointless.
If you know there is a meth lab, let 'er burn. The trouble is that our government KNEW Iraq was no "imminent threat." Big difference. And they misled the people about it, too.
No need to invade Iraq? Man, I wish I was in your wonderful world where you aren't threatened by people fostering terrorist camps, funding terrorists, and helping terrorists by sheltering them. Those reasons alone are reason enough to invade, let alone the fact that there have been massive graves uncovered that the "innocent" Iraqi leader filled up. But hey, we should mind our business and let the man continue the genocide that region has experienced. You're right, what do we care about what happens over there, it's not bothering us.
Again, we do not run around invading every nation with corrupt and violent goverments...only those with massive amounts of oil. We've been through this a million times. Iraq was zero threat to us. The threats you speak of could easily be pulled off by a handful of idiots located anywhere in the world.
Is ignorance really bliss?
I don't know; you tell me.
DaSharkie, I agree with you for the most part. However, the practices you speak of are found on every side of every argument. If people are willing to pay fees to support her, then that's their right. It happens all the time. I don't see the problem there. In and of itself, it doesn't take anything from her message in my opinion. She is obviously not in it to make money.
I also think that she is allowing herself to be used by greater powers for a greater cause than herself, which cheapens her statements and her broader message.
The only way for this argument to hold water is if it is found that these "greater powers" you speak of also do not believe in their own message, and are in it for a buck, or for attention. There are far easier ways for most of these people (who are already wealthy, anyhow) to make a dollar. I tend to see more of this activety from the right than the left, though. You can't watch Fox News without somebody hawking a book. There's a difference between Sheehan and the vast majority of these guys...she actually has lost something. The crap spread by these people that her son would be ashamed of her, or loathe her for her actions is disgusting. He most likely would tell them to shut the hell up.
Some of the statements that she has made do make me question her respect for the men and women in uniform, which I have posted before.
I have not heard very much of what she has to say, so I don't really know of the specific statements to which you are referring.
Just how I feel.
Understood.

[jasper45]

My opinion is that she has earned the right to say anything that she wants to. Her sacrifice is far greater than a lot of us have made, in a number of ways.
First, her son enlisted in the military, voluntarily.
Secondly, he was deployed into a war zone, as a part of his commitment to our nation, thereby putting his family through untold grief, and worry at his being in harm’s way.
Lastly, and the most significant, her son was killed in action, a permanent sacrifice; I have would say she has earned the right to say just about anything she would like to.

Now, having said that, and having given her the respect she deserves, I am of the opinion those with a political agenda are using her. She is being used in her grief stricken state, something I think is appalling. It is a very sensitive issue; it is also one that has no clear-cut answer, as it is entirely an “opinion” only matter. Very simply, either you think she is right, or she is wrong based on your own personal feelings on Iraq.
Should she be able to meet with the president? She already was given that opportunity.
Should our military men and women be allowed to “pick and choose” their wars? Absolutely not, freedom of speech/choice is preserved by the military, not practiced.
This woman is deserving of our respect, and our admiration; however, her voice should still carry the same weight as any of ours.

[RadRob]

Good post Jasper.

[ThNozzleman]

She shouldn't be bringing shame and disgrace on it.
For the last time, she isn't. Take your crap somewhere else.

[RadRob]

For the last time, she isn't. Take your crap somewhere else.

Good argument. You just validated everything you have said. Now I am on your side.

(again, the sarcasm is hard to get through on a forum, but that was sarcastic)

[ThNozzleman]

Hey, here's an idea; keep posting stupid analogies that have nothing to do with the situation. I know if you were dissing my mom for expressing her heartfelt convictions, I'd punch you right in the mouth...and that's probably what Casey would do, too.
Picking on a dead soldier's mother to further your politcal views...you've got some nerve.

[ChicagoFF]

Hey, here's an idea; keep posting stupid analogies that have nothing to do with the situation. I know if you were dissing my mom for expressing her heartfelt convictions, I'd punch you right in the mouth...and that's probably what Casey would do, too.
Picking on a dead soldier's mother to further your politcal views...you've got some nerve.
And using a dead soldiers mother to further your political points...... go punch yourself! You are the first person to use the casualties in Iraq to further your points. You not have any good arguments to put out in a debate, all you are is a bush hating hypocrit.

[ThNozzleman]

And using a dead soldiers mother to further your political points...... go punch yourself!
Riiight. While she and I may share viewpoints on some things, I'm certainly not using her for anything. She has her own voice. I was protesting this stupid war long before she came on the scene.
Keep trying, though.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Riiight. While she and I may share viewpoints on some things, I'm certainly not using her for anything. She has her own voice. I was protesting this stupid war long before she came on the scene.
Keep trying, though.

Protesting? On fh.com? Wow, you are really out front on this one!

[ThNozzleman]

As far as I can tell, she only started protesting after her son died and it became easy and convenient for her.
Easy and convenient? You're a joke. Go study up on your hose clamps or something.

[ThNozzleman]

They tell us an entirely different story than the main stream liberal left media.
Suuuure they do. Get your damn head out of the clouds.

[ThNozzleman]

That's right, you don't have access to the soldiers coming back. We are pretty close to Fort Drum where the 42nd Infantry Division is stationed. We also have a huge number of guys who are returning from the local reserve units. They all have the same story, the Iraqai people are glad we are there. They are all disappointed by the negative press coverage. Then again, liberals thrive on negativity.
I don't have access? Um, yeah; you know SO much about me. And as for the majority of Iraqis being glad we are there...boy, you sure have been hitting the kool-aid pretty hard, haven't you?
Can't prove other wise can you? So when confronted with the truth you resort to your childhood and tell me to just go away.
What?? Are you claiming that Cindy Sheehand did not oppose this war before her son was killed? And by feeling compelled to speak out publicly after what she feels was the needless death of her son she is somehow cheapening his sacrifice? It's people like YOU who support lying idiots like BUSH who cheapen these soldiers' gallant sacrifice by marching them off to die for profit in the first place. Get a clue! It's over...Bush and his cronies lied about the reasons to invade Iraq. If you haven't accepted that by now after all that's come to light, then you are either being intentionally deceitful, or incredibly stupid.
Your ignorance is amazing.

[ChiefReason]

Cindy Sheehan.
Yeah; I remember her.
Her son died defending her right to disrespect the office of the President of the United States, get a book deal and a made-for-TV movie.
Politically, she has nothing that I am in the least bit interested in hearing.
She is a mother who has lost a son. That is tragic.
But what is even more tragic is that all of her rants will not change the military strategy in Iraq.
I have a nephew over there right now and I don't appreciate the Cindy Sheehans of the world encouraging the enemy with their anti-war rhetoric.
Let's finish this war and talk about it in hindsight...you know; the way we would do it normally.
How many other parents of KIA soldiers have taken it as an opportunity to increase their celebrity?
She has her rights and I have mine. But her "rights" isn't going to fix what's wrong.
We have all lost loved ones. We need to grieve when that happens and not hire a business manager.
CR

[medicmaster]

Well said CR!....


If I might add a few points....

1. I am versy opposed to the war in Iraq...at this point anyways.

2. Cindy Sheehan is ****ing on her son's memory and the memories of the servicemen killed over there, and she is too stupid to realize it.

3. My opposition to the war in Iraq has solidified since one of my best friends returned home last weekend following a 14 month deployment. He paints a different picture of the war in Iraq than the media does (conservative or liberal). The Iraqis want us out. The insurgents will keep coming. There is no end in sight. He was in an Engineering Batallion and crawled a highway near Rhamadi removing IED's...they'd spend 8 hours traveling 15 miles one direction, and by the time they turned around to go back, insurgents had replanted the whole highway...that sounds like headway to me. If that happened daily along one 15 mile stretch of highway, I can't possibly imagine how much headway we are making in the rest of the country.

4. Did I mention I am opposed to the war in Iraq?

[SSTONER]

For the last time, she isn't. Take your crap somewhere else.

In YOUR opinion she isnt.

[SSTONER]

And using a dead soldiers mother to further your political points...... go punch yourself! You are the first person to use the casualties in Iraq to further your points. You not have any good arguments to put out in a debate, all you are is a bush hating hypocrit.

LAMO!! :D

[SSTONER]

I don't have access? Um, yeah; you know SO much about me. And as for the majority of Iraqis being glad we are there...boy, you sure have been hitting the kool-aid pretty hard, haven't you?

What?? Are you claiming that Cindy Sheehand did not oppose this war before her son was killed? And by feeling compelled to speak out publicly after what she feels was the needless death of her son she is somehow cheapening his sacrifice? It's people like YOU who support lying idiots like BUSH who cheapen these soldiers' gallant sacrifice by marching them off to die for profit in the first place. Get a clue! It's over...Bush and his cronies lied about the reasons to invade Iraq. If you haven't accepted that by now after all that's come to light, then you are either being intentionally deceitful, or incredibly stupid.
Your ignorance is amazing.

Can you say Sheehand DID oppose the war when her son entered the war? Do we know how her Son felt about the war?

She can say whatever to whoever she wants - as far as it looks now it was a brief flash in the pan protest.

There are a lot of Iraqis that want us there - majority? Who knows - has anyone taken a poll?

I am not so sure Cindy should be using her Sons name to protest the war - we have no idea how he felt really. I have not seen any hard proof her son protested the war at all? If so then maybe she is justified using her Sons name to help her cause.

If her Son was proud of what he was doing and why - using his name is wrong IMO. Not saying she cant protest - protest away.

[seabas]

blah blah "you liberal" ....blah blah BLAH "you conservative"..."i hate you" "no i hate you more"

jesus!!!!! don't you all ever get tired of this bulls#it?! honestly!!! neither side bows to one another. why waste your energy?

1. Chief, well put. I dont' appreciate how vocalizing her stance on our government just adds fuel to the fire...

2. I don't feel she ran to Ireland because noone here will listen to her. She realized she needed to make news again, so she went for shock factor....hrm...lets see. i'll go to another country and talk to their PM. And, my husband is Irish....and my son spoke fondly of a positive experience in Ireland....eureka!

3. I don't know about you all, but my momma raised me to know familia FIRST! And if Casey was any sort of soldier, the Army taught him that, too. So I'm pretty sure you would never catch that man berating his mother for what she feels is right, and I'd wage a fair bet hes rolling in his box 6 ft down wanting to come show you what the words loyalty and pride really mean. Who are you to say she is disrespecting and disgracing his and over 2000 servicemens' deaths?

if anything...

by her incessant media grabs, she keeps bringing the deaths to light. After 4 years of our boys dieing, its a safe bet to assume the mass has developed a thick skin to it. 6 here by IED, another 15 by suicide car bomber, 2 in a gunfight...and so on. How many actually click those news headers on yahoo.com or msn.com anymore? We few may be the minority here on this board..


there is ALWAYS a flipside gent's (and ladies..?). Arguing and looking like a bunch of unprofessional arses wont help anyone understand it. Besides. there is a level of information that we as the public won't ever have access to. and thats the cold hard truth..so DEAL WITH IT!!!!

[ThNozzleman]

Can you say Sheehand DID oppose the war when her son entered the war? Do we know how her Son felt about the war?
According to her she was.
She can say whatever to whoever she wants - as far as it looks now it was a brief flash in the pan protest.
Hardly. Check the polls, man. She did her part.
There are a lot of Iraqis that want us there - majority? Who knows - has anyone taken a poll?
Sure they have. Look into it.
I am not so sure Cindy should be using her Sons name to protest the war - we have no idea how he felt really. I have not seen any hard proof her son protested the war at all? If so then maybe she is justified using her Sons name to help her cause.
So, he has to have been against the war for her to have the right to protest? Nice. I guess losing your son is just not enough to act upon.
jesus!!!!! don't you all ever get tired of this bulls#it?! honestly!!! neither side bows to one another. why waste your energy?
Umm...to help prevent another stupid, needless war based on lies and greed that will kill thousands upon thousands of human beings? Think that might be a good reason to discuss it? Nah...let's just all shut up and let the government do whatever the hell it wants to do without questioning it or demanding proof of its actions; that's the ticket.

[SSTONER]

According to her she was.

(SNIP)
So, he has to have been against the war for her to have the right to protest? Nice. I guess losing your son is just not enough to act upon.



Well you conviently left this out when you quoted me -

I said:

If her Son was proud of what he was doing and why - using his name is wrong IMO. [SIZE=5] Not saying she cant protest - protest away[/SIZE.

If you are going to quote someone at least be accurate.

[WaterbryVTfire]

but I guess here is my rants/complaints etc...

I think the IRONIC thing here, is CS goes to a country where people are (still) killing one another over Christian religions.....and GASP! There are no minorities (blacks, Asians, Arabs) involved.

One the whole Iraq war.....here a few points....

1) A friend was there, another is going back. They both said, that the enemy/insurgents or whatever, will stand in front of women and children, point weapons, and set up IED's and taunt the troops, KNOWING we will not fire. Remember, many of these soldiers are "weekend warriors" and 18 year old kids. They shouldn't have to deal with that kind of thing, but they KNEW they may have to. (just like many of us chance being killed at a fire?)

2) If we are killing hundreds of thousands of civilian Iraqi's why isn't the press reporting this every day? Seems that every unit has at least one inbedded reportrer with them...wouldn't they report we are killing women and children?

There those are my points and thoughts

but I will leave yuo with this

"War is not the answer......Unless a democrat is the President"

[RadRob]

According to her she was.

Credible source. Good one.

Hardly. Check the polls, man. She did her part.

You honestly think that she has anything to do with the polls?

Sure they have. Look into it.

Please, point us to these "polls". BTW, polls can be swayed to meet your agenda or the other side, so whatever poll you can direct us to, I am sure I can find one that says the opposite.

So, he has to have been against the war for her to have the right to protest? Nice. I guess losing your son is just not enough to act upon.

She can be against the war and protest all she wants, just don't use a soldier's name to do so when the soldier may not have been of the same opinion. That's disrespectful.

Umm...to help prevent another stupid, needless war based on lies and greed that will kill thousands upon thousands of human beings? Think that might be a good reason to discuss it? Nah...let's just all shut up and let the government do whatever the hell it wants to do without questioning it or demanding proof of its actions; that's the ticket.

SAVE THE HUMANS! SAVE THE HUMANS! Are you the same with hunting? Save the deer! save the deer! We should protest hunters so thousands of little deer won't be slaughtered.

Gimme a break. It's risk versus benefits. We know that anytime we go to war, we will lose servicemen and women. The benefits however, are saving countless other lives by slowing or squashing the killing done by these monsters we are fighting. The guys in the armed forces accept that they may lose their lives to save others and serve PROUDLY.

THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE (which includes the guys from the democratic party) thought that based on the intelligence we had at the time, invasion was necessary. Only now do we find out that the info was not as accurate as we thought. To think that the president knew that the info was bad but noone else did is ignorant. He was mislead just like everyone else. However, I still feel we did what needed to be done. And now that we have gone in and started something, we need to finish it or the consequences will be far reaching. And as usual, you can't support your ignorant little anti-war statements with anything valuable or credible.