Interesting Video

[JerseyshoreFF23]

The structure flashes over while crews are advancing a line inside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtkRhfXiVzs

[nyckftbl]

where was the line being advanced from? I didnt see a line there. Am i missing it?




As for the actual operation....Im not commenting. I dont want to start another flame war. Ill wait till someone else does it. :eek:

[mtnfireguy]

where was the line being advanced from? I didnt see a line there. Am i missing it?




As for the actual operation....Im not commenting. I dont want to start another flame war. Ill wait till someone else does it. :eek:

About 1:07 - far right side

[nyckftbl]

About 1:07 - far right side

Ok. They are outside...where does the assumption come from that there is a line inside? (Im not attempting to bash or anything, I just dont understand where the line operating inside is, and why it did nothing to stop the flashover of the 1st floor.)

[Nine3Probie]

It looked to me like the flash happened around 0:40, and then you see the crew backing out and regrouping at around 1:07, then going back for another attack. Or did I miss something? It didn't look like they were on the D side of the house, but rather coming out a door on the A side far right.

[PureAdrenalin]

I belive they came out of the house as it was beginning to light off.

Would anyone else have pulled a 2-1/2 here?

[nyckftbl]

It looked to me like the flash happened around 0:40, and then you see the crew backing out and regrouping at around 1:07, then going back for another attack. Or did I miss something? It didn't look like they were on the D side of the house, but rather coming out a door on the A side far right.

Ok that makes much more sense...I guess I just need glasses. :D

[Tom Carmody]

I don't think a 2.5 was initially necessary but I would want to talk to the guy that took the front window.

[PureAdrenalin]

I don't think a 2.5 was initially necessary but I would want to talk to the guy that took the front window.

I'll second that motion. Was it really necessary that he took that window? Especially so if the crew was ahead of the window in the house, which, I can only assume they were.

[ffbam24]

I actually haven't seen past the first two minutes yet because I keep replaying the first couple, but I wouldn't be too quick to blame the guy in front taking out the windows.

It appears that he takes the door window first and then was directed by the guy NOT in gear in the grey shirt to take the window to the left of it. You can see the glow get brighter in the door just before he makes the window.

Though you kind of have to wonder that you have fire venting out the back windows but only lazy dark grey smoke coming out the front (Art of Reading Smoke). It wants to light up but is lacking something in the front part of the house. That fire was pushing out too fast in back to not be coming out the front if something wasn't impeding it. I'm thinking the vented window and an opened interior door may have come into play.

(Looking again, you can see the lazy grey smoke coming out up to the point where he breaks the door window. There it starts to boil over his head and then ignites just as he makes the window to the side.)

I'm no expert, but that's what I see.

[PureAdrenalin]

I actually haven't seen past the first two minutes yet because I keep replaying the first couple, but I wouldn't be too quick to blame the guy in front taking out the windows.

It appears that he takes the door window first and then was directed by the guy NOT in gear in the grey shirt to take the window to the left of it. You can see the glow get brighter in the door just before he makes the window.

Though you kind of have to wonder that you have fire venting out the back windows but only dark grey smoke coming out the front (Art of Reading Smoke). It wants to light up but is lacking something in the front part of the house. That fire was pushing out too fast in back to not be coming out the front if something wasn't impeding it. I'm thinking the vented window and an opened interior door may have come into play.

I'm no expert, but that's what I see.

This is what I was getting at. It's like it was just waiting to light off.

[LeatherHed4Life]

the very first shot of the house is the only one i can see that demonstrates a possible pre-flashover smoke condition. The whole video is good to watch smoke, with extension into the attic, there is another good example of turbulent smoke billowing out of the gable.

coulda used a vent hole.

[dragonfyre]

My only question, and again I wasn't there, is if the evacuation horns are blowing why did they take the line in the front door?

As soon as they get in the horns blow again.

[Ladder5B]

Let me try to make sense of this. The house was converted to a duplex apartment. On the porch you could turn left into a doorway for the B side apartment or go straight through a door for the Dside apartment. The initial entry was 1-3/4" through the B side apartment and the crew couldn't find the door to the fire room. The house was all cut up. They backed out and initiated an attack from the D side apartment. Ventilation was delayed because dispatch didn't tone the Ladder. Upon arrival of the Ladder the fire was not venting from the B side. The Lt took the A side window to improve visibility to affect search and allow a 2nd line to advance. The door way into the fire room was not a standard size door allowing additional accumulation of heat in the fire room. The A side window was cleared it lowered the pressure of the A side room allowing rapid fire growth through the smoke. It was not a flashover. The interior crew was in a separate area of the fire growth. The evacuation notice sounded and crews exited with no injuries. A 1-3/4” & 2-1/2” line was used in a transitional attack and the offensive operations resumed. Vertical ventilation was performed through the A side gable in anticipation of going defensive instead of a traditional hole in the roof. This allows water to be put where the fire is. Two ceilings were present and crews had difficulty getting the attic opened up once the fire floor was extinguished. The attic fire was extinguished through the A side hole and crews finished up interior operations. Hope this helps.

[ffmedcbk1]

Ladder5 that helps out alot. I was not seeing but one EC in the beginning of the video.

In the transition, where was the 2.5"?

EC's seemed thin initially and I could only see one line (which wasn't continually flowing) also "TMC" situation (too many chiefs) telling the line where to go.

[Ladder5B]

Ladder5 that helps out alot. I was not seeing but one EC in the beginning of the video.

In the transition, where was the 2.5"?

EC's seemed thin initially and I could only see one line (which wasn't continually flowing) also "TMC" situation (too many chiefs) telling the line where to go.



The 2-1/2" was on the front porch. If I remember right it was not shown on the video very long. A lot of things are happening outside the video picture.

During the second interior attack 2- 1-3/4" and 1 - 2-1/2" were used. The main fire was knocked out but we couldn't get to the attic in time before conditions went to hell. Therefore the A side gable hole was used to apply water and improve attic conditions. Hindsight, a 2-1/2" would have been better on the A side gable due to the smoke conditions. Were lucky it didn't light off. Live and learn. Believe it or not the roof didn't burn off

[Ladder5B]

Also a live power line was down on the C side (running the width of the house) preventing access. Area of origin was C side.

[MemphisE34a]

What's really amazing is how the fire goes out when they started putting water on it.:cool:

[firefighter7160]

What's really amazing is how the fire goes out when they started putting water on it.:cool:
Second That:D