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TruroFAO · 11-19-2002, 10:08 PM

hang on...I'm not trying to stir the hornet's nest...

I'm working on a bibliography for a masters thesis class, and I need some links or areas to look at for published volumes on the matter. I know it's been an issue for Boston, FDNY and DCFD...Can anyone point me towards some material I might read on the matter...

marcelstl · 11-19-2002, 11:31 PM

hummmmmmm ....
St Louis has a long trail of that.

BucksEng91 · 11-21-2002, 04:30 PM

Firefighters Turn Down 'Affirmative Action' Promotions
Policy Of Promoting By Race, Gender Frustrates Some Personnel

POSTED: 9:16 p.m. CST November 13, 2002
UPDATED: 9:24 a.m. CST November 14, 2002

OMAHA, Neb. -- Three Omaha firefighters turned down promotions this week. They said the promotions were based on the city's affirmative action policy and not on their performance, KETV reported.

Fire Union President Mike McDonnell met with the fire chief Wednesday morning to discuss the seven captain positions open in the department.

Five of the seven positions have been awarded to, and accepted by, Caucasian men who scored at the top of their class.

The next person the chief offered the position to was a Caucasian woman who ranked 24th. She turned it down.

The job was then offered to an African-American man, ranked 36th, and another Caucasian woman, ranked 37th. Both turned the job down.

"You have people in a fire station trying to work together, live together. To have someone take a promotion based on race -- not where they finished on the test -- that's very frustrating to a number of people," one firefighter told KETV.

Two African-American men who ranked 38th and 39th have accepted the offer. They mayor will be asked to sign off on their promotions next week, KETV reported.

http://www.theomahachannel.com/news/1785140/detail.html

DaSharkie · 11-22-2002, 12:01 AM

So you have to ask yourself a few questions on this one,

1) How, as member on one of these guys' companies, much confidence do you have in these guys as your company officer knowing that they were promoted over 33 other people - two of whom had the intestinal fortitude to turn down the job prior to them being offered it? (My hat is off to those who turned it down, it must have a very gut wrenching decision for them to do so.)

2) How can you sleep at night knowing more competant (Presumably), higher scoring, and more qualified (Presuming) individuals did not get the job but you did only to appease the PC police?

3) Can you all see the grievances filed on this one and the ensuing lawsuit? Nevermind the fact that when it does go to court the promotion list will be held up for YEARS over this. Didn;t they learn anything form St. Louis when they went through this earlier this year?

CaptainGonzo · 11-22-2002, 10:39 AM

Posted by Da Sharkie...

Quote:

Didn't they learn anything form St. Louis when they went through this earlier this year?

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it!

11-19-2002, 10:08 PM	#1
TruroFAO Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: columbus, ohio Posts: 163	affirmative action hiring/promotions hang on...I'm not trying to stir the hornet's nest... I'm working on a bibliography for a masters thesis class, and I need some links or areas to look at for published volumes on the matter. I know it's been an issue for Boston, FDNY and DCFD...Can anyone point me towards some material I might read on the matter...

11-21-2002, 04:30 PM	#3
BucksEng91 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Warminster, PA Posts: 576	Here's a good story on just that subject... Firefighters Turn Down 'Affirmative Action' Promotions Policy Of Promoting By Race, Gender Frustrates Some Personnel POSTED: 9:16 p.m. CST November 13, 2002 UPDATED: 9:24 a.m. CST November 14, 2002 OMAHA, Neb. -- Three Omaha firefighters turned down promotions this week. They said the promotions were based on the city's affirmative action policy and not on their performance, KETV reported. Fire Union President Mike McDonnell met with the fire chief Wednesday morning to discuss the seven captain positions open in the department. Five of the seven positions have been awarded to, and accepted by, Caucasian men who scored at the top of their class. The next person the chief offered the position to was a Caucasian woman who ranked 24th. She turned it down. The job was then offered to an African-American man, ranked 36th, and another Caucasian woman, ranked 37th. Both turned the job down. "You have people in a fire station trying to work together, live together. To have someone take a promotion based on race -- not where they finished on the test -- that's very frustrating to a number of people," one firefighter told KETV. Two African-American men who ranked 38th and 39th have accepted the offer. They mayor will be asked to sign off on their promotions next week, KETV reported. http://www.theomahachannel.com/news/1785140/detail.html __________________ "Let's roll." - Todd Beamer, one of a group of American soldiers who handed the terrorists their first defeat. Joe Black The opinions expressed are mine and mine alone (but you can borrow them )and may not reflect those of any organization with which I am associated (but then again, they just may not be thinking clearly).

11-22-2002, 12:01 AM	#4
DaSharkie Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 4,335	So you have to ask yourself a few questions on this one, 1) How, as member on one of these guys' companies, much confidence do you have in these guys as your company officer knowing that they were promoted over 33 other people - two of whom had the intestinal fortitude to turn down the job prior to them being offered it? (My hat is off to those who turned it down, it must have a very gut wrenching decision for them to do so.) 2) How can you sleep at night knowing more competant (Presumably), higher scoring, and more qualified (Presuming) individuals did not get the job but you did only to appease the PC police? 3) Can you all see the grievances filed on this one and the ensuing lawsuit? Nevermind the fact that when it does go to court the promotion list will be held up for YEARS over this. Didn;t they learn anything form St. Louis when they went through this earlier this year? __________________ Minister of bitterness and cynicism - I.A.C.O.J. - EMS division The borrower is slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7 - No longer a slave 10/5/2009 "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." - New York Judge Gideon Tucker "As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government." - Dave Barry www.daveramsey.com www.clarkhoward.com www.cannondale.com www.heritage.org www.t4r.org

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11-19-2002, 11:31 PM	#2
marcelstl Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 31	hummmmmmm .... St Louis has a long trail of that.

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