Mutual and.or Auto aid Do you have it or not ? - Firehouse Forums

Weruj1 · 01-20-2004, 04:07 PM

the IL boyz posted this at their place and I though since our FINE state is stirin the post with this .............what say you all ?

PS- both means auto and mutual aid...........could not edit that !

EdShanks · 01-20-2004, 06:13 PM

We got mutual aid all around us, which leads to an amusing story. Quite a few years ago we got called for mutual aid to one of our neighbors. The dispatcher gave the address and said that they requested our aerial truck. So that's what we rolled, and when we showed up they were fighting a basement fire! "What the . . .?"

A quick talk with their ICO revealed that he'd said to a subordinate, "We need air bottles - call Boardman and have them bring some air, Earl!" Luckily, we carry air bottles on our aerial truck!

True story!!

kghemtp · 01-20-2004, 06:48 PM

New Hampshire seems to know ALL about mutual aid setups & automatic calls to neighboring towns. Some of the more progressive systems out here seem to have dispatch run cards set up very well in terms of automatic aid to neighbors. Our town goes automatically to a 1.5 mile stretch of business route in a major city to our south, just because of resource layout (ours & theirs). We have setups where certain types of calls (med calls/crashes on the line, boxes or fires in various parts of town) will get an automatic mutual aid piece or two. It's nothing for a neighboring town or our own to have it already planned where certain departments will be asked to respond for action or station coverage. The system is alive & well, but I know not without its share of difficulties & problems at times.

WTFD10 · 01-20-2004, 08:19 PM

We have automatic aid with a department just across the Michigan border. 24 hours a day/ 7 days a week for structure fires, 0700-1600 weekdays for MVAs, water/ice rescues and several other types of incidents.

It has worked out very well for us. We had an apartment building fire last summer and had 30 firefighters on scene

We also have written mutual aid pacts with all departments in our county and the MI county north of us.

80FIRE · 01-20-2004, 09:51 PM

Hey! Can a flatlander vote over here?
Thats to bad I voted anyway.

We have both mutual aid and auto aid. With daytime staffing problems
the auto aid for structure fires is great. We also have a county wide mutual aid agreement along with our new MABAS division.

Weruj1 · 01-21-2004, 12:07 AM

Les,
All you good flatlander folk can visit and post here anytime !

ff7134 · 01-21-2004, 10:22 AM

Our county has a area wide mutual aid contract. Then most of the surrounding dept have auto aid. Works well that way we have water and manpower coming right then.

firenresq77 · 01-21-2004, 09:35 PM

Both.

Weruj1 · 01-21-2004, 10:06 PM

hey I am tryin...............one day we may catch the IL boyz......

lmrchief2 · 01-21-2004, 10:46 PM

Even though I am from MI we also have automatic aid with our neighboring department. They respond on all structure fires with us and us with them. We also have a countywide mutual aid agreement that we can call anyone else in the county that we may need. Our county even has set up what we call a signal 13 in which if we call one, dispatch opens up thier little book and it tells them who is to go where (depends on what dept.called the 13) as far as the departments. Some will go to the scene some will move into cover other stations. Only been called once or twice that I am aware of but it worked fairly well.

And yes WTFD10 that means I can get you all the way up to our area with your mutual aid agreement with your neighbor in MI.

PFD109NFD107 · 01-21-2004, 10:47 PM

One Dept. Mutual Aid Only

The Other Has Automatic With A Booming Metropolis Right Next To Us...

WTFD10 · 01-21-2004, 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by lmrchief2
And yes WTFD10 that means I can get you all the way up to our area with your mutual aid agreement with your neighbor in MI.

Hey Les, you know our motto: "Wherever Needed, We Go!"

And as MCFA members we have a mutual aid agreement with every department in Monroe County, not just "Billy's Boyz"

WTFDChief730 · 01-22-2004, 09:43 AM

I feel auto-mutual aid is the way to go, especially for volunteer departments. Getting enough staffing and equipment on the scene to handle a fire emergency is most critical within the first 10 minutes of a fire. Its within those first 10 minutes where good decision making by the first in officers as well has having enough FF's and equipment on the scene to handle a situation, those factors are going to greatly affect the entire incident both good and bad. You cant argue the safety factor it has on your FF's with having enough staffing and equipment on the scene ASAP. The old mentality of "lets wait and see what we got" just dont cut it anymore, by then its too late if its a good working fire. By the time you decide you need mutual aid, and the volunteers respond from home, get their equipment and then respond to the scene, your looking at at least 15 minutes or more depending on the distance. Thats to much time your FF's will have to work short staffed within that critical first 10 minutes of a fire, god forbid there is a legit rescue and your FF's have to go in and make a rescue with no real back up on the way.
Most of my focus is on daytime situations when most volunteers are working their regular jobs, most departments have decent staffing in the evening and weekends. As a volly Chief, I'm tired of worrying on how many people are in the area to respond to a fire in the daytime, with our new auto-mutual aid agreement, at least I know I now have 2 stations responding to a fire, instead of just our station. On my department (WTFD), I always know I have those paid guys sittin' over in that station (E24) across the river who could respond right a way if needed, so we are kind of lucky. I truly feel auto aid is the way to go, for those departments that are not using it, you really need to look into it, its the best way to assure your FF's have back-up coming right a way.

Weruj1 · 01-22-2004, 02:38 PM

Hey Ron ! thanks for jumpin in !how's that S-7 assignment workin out for you ?

WTFDChief730 · 01-22-2004, 04:10 PM

It's goin' great, were definitely keepin' busy.

firenresq77 · 01-22-2004, 06:20 PM

Ron, glad to see you join us. Have you looked at the new state standards? Check out the "Fitness Stuff Thread" in the Ohio Forums if you haven't...........

WTFD10 · 01-22-2004, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by firenresq77
Ron, glad to see you join us. Have you looked at the new state standards? Check out the "Fitness Stuff Thread" in the Ohio Forums if you haven't...........

Believe me Chief Jogs 20 Miles-A-Day has definitely seen anything that has "fitness" in the title

WTFDChief730 · 01-22-2004, 07:17 PM

LOL Moe (I'm not quite up to 20 miles yet

)....yes I saw the fitness posts firenreq77, personal fitness and fitness programs for firefighters is very important to me and I take a sincere interest in that subject. I'm glad to see ohio BWC setting some standards in that area.

firenresq77 · 01-22-2004, 08:34 PM

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LOL Moe (I'm not quite up to 20 miles yet )....yes I saw the fitness posts firenreq77, personal fitness and fitness programs for firefighters is very important to me and I take a sincere interest in that subject. I'm glad to see ohio BWC setting some standards in that area.

Did you see anything about mandatory Physical Agilities? One of our guys says he swears he saw it in there, but I have been unable to find it.....

WTFDChief730 · 01-23-2004, 01:04 PM

Yesterday was the first I saw these standards, I'm going to review them today here at work. Not sure yet on the physical agilities test...I'll let you know. Damn...its cold out today, hopefully no fire today

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01-20-2004, 04:07 PM	#1
Weruj1 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 7,655	Mutual and.or Auto aid Do you have it or not ? the IL boyz posted this at their place and I though since our FINE state is stirin the post with this .............what say you all ? PS- both means auto and mutual aid...........could not edit that ! __________________ IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT ! Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here ! ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown) RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05 LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607 I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing? Last edited by Weruj1; 01-20-2004 at 04:11 PM.

01-20-2004, 06:13 PM	#2
EdShanks Forum Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Engine 4 Posts: 99	We got mutual aid all around us, which leads to an amusing story. Quite a few years ago we got called for mutual aid to one of our neighbors. The dispatcher gave the address and said that they requested our aerial truck. So that's what we rolled, and when we showed up they were fighting a basement fire! "What the . . .?" A quick talk with their ICO revealed that he'd said to a subordinate, "We need air bottles - call Boardman and have them bring some air, Earl!" Luckily, we carry air bottles on our aerial truck! True story!! __________________ E-4-A IAFF 1176

01-20-2004, 06:48 PM	#3
kghemtp Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 734	New Hampshire seems to know ALL about mutual aid setups & automatic calls to neighboring towns. Some of the more progressive systems out here seem to have dispatch run cards set up very well in terms of automatic aid to neighbors. Our town goes automatically to a 1.5 mile stretch of business route in a major city to our south, just because of resource layout (ours & theirs). We have setups where certain types of calls (med calls/crashes on the line, boxes or fires in various parts of town) will get an automatic mutual aid piece or two. It's nothing for a neighboring town or our own to have it already planned where certain departments will be asked to respond for action or station coverage. The system is alive & well, but I know not without its share of difficulties & problems at times. __________________ ~Kevin Firefighter/Paramedic --^v--^v--^v--^v-- Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong Dennis Miller

01-20-2004, 09:51 PM	#5
80FIRE Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: WC IL MABAS Div. 44 Posts: 501	Hey! Can a flatlander vote over here? Thats to bad I voted anyway. We have both mutual aid and auto aid. With daytime staffing problems the auto aid for structure fires is great. We also have a county wide mutual aid agreement along with our new MABAS division. __________________ Proudly serving as Vice-President of the Illinois Delegation of the IACOJ

01-20-2004, 08:19 PM	#4
WTFD10 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,722	We have automatic aid with a department just across the Michigan border. 24 hours a day/ 7 days a week for structure fires, 0700-1600 weekdays for MVAs, water/ice rescues and several other types of incidents. It has worked out very well for us. We had an apartment building fire last summer and had 30 firefighters on scene We also have written mutual aid pacts with all departments in our county and the MI county north of us.

01-21-2004, 12:07 AM	#6
Weruj1 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 7,655	Les, All you good flatlander folk can visit and post here anytime ! __________________ IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT ! Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here ! ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown) RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05 LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607 I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?

01-21-2004, 10:22 AM	#7
ff7134 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,100	Our county has a area wide mutual aid contract. Then most of the surrounding dept have auto aid. Works well that way we have water and manpower coming right then. __________________ AKA: Mr. Whoo-Whoo IAFF Local 3900 IACOJ-The Crusty Glow Worm ENGINE 302 - The Fire Rats F.A.N.T.A.M FOOLS FTM-PTB

01-21-2004, 09:35 PM	#8
firenresq77 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Northwest Ohio Posts: 5,246	Both.

01-21-2004, 10:06 PM	#9
Weruj1 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 7,655	hey I am tryin...............one day we may catch the IL boyz...... __________________ IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT ! Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here ! ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown) RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05 LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607 I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?

01-21-2004, 10:46 PM	#10
lmrchief2 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 206	Even though I am from MI we also have automatic aid with our neighboring department. They respond on all structure fires with us and us with them. We also have a countywide mutual aid agreement that we can call anyone else in the county that we may need. Our county even has set up what we call a signal 13 in which if we call one, dispatch opens up thier little book and it tells them who is to go where (depends on what dept.called the 13) as far as the departments. Some will go to the scene some will move into cover other stations. Only been called once or twice that I am aware of but it worked fairly well. And yes WTFD10 that means I can get you all the way up to our area with your mutual aid agreement with your neighbor in MI.

01-21-2004, 10:47 PM	#11
PFD109NFD107 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Northwood, Ohio, 43619 Posts: 356	One Dept. Mutual Aid Only The Other Has Automatic With A Booming Metropolis Right Next To Us...

01-22-2004, 09:43 AM	#13
WTFDChief730 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 102	I feel auto-mutual aid is the way to go, especially for volunteer departments. Getting enough staffing and equipment on the scene to handle a fire emergency is most critical within the first 10 minutes of a fire. Its within those first 10 minutes where good decision making by the first in officers as well has having enough FF's and equipment on the scene to handle a situation, those factors are going to greatly affect the entire incident both good and bad. You cant argue the safety factor it has on your FF's with having enough staffing and equipment on the scene ASAP. The old mentality of "lets wait and see what we got" just dont cut it anymore, by then its too late if its a good working fire. By the time you decide you need mutual aid, and the volunteers respond from home, get their equipment and then respond to the scene, your looking at at least 15 minutes or more depending on the distance. Thats to much time your FF's will have to work short staffed within that critical first 10 minutes of a fire, god forbid there is a legit rescue and your FF's have to go in and make a rescue with no real back up on the way. Most of my focus is on daytime situations when most volunteers are working their regular jobs, most departments have decent staffing in the evening and weekends. As a volly Chief, I'm tired of worrying on how many people are in the area to respond to a fire in the daytime, with our new auto-mutual aid agreement, at least I know I now have 2 stations responding to a fire, instead of just our station. On my department (WTFD), I always know I have those paid guys sittin' over in that station (E24) across the river who could respond right a way if needed, so we are kind of lucky. I truly feel auto aid is the way to go, for those departments that are not using it, you really need to look into it, its the best way to assure your FF's have back-up coming right a way. Last edited by WTFDChief730; 01-22-2004 at 09:46 AM.

01-22-2004, 02:38 PM	#14
Weruj1 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 7,655	Hey Ron ! thanks for jumpin in !how's that S-7 assignment workin out for you ? __________________ IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT ! Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here ! ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown) RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05 LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607 I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?

01-22-2004, 04:10 PM	#15
WTFDChief730 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 102	It's goin' great, were definitely keepin' busy.

01-22-2004, 06:20 PM	#16
firenresq77 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Northwest Ohio Posts: 5,246	Ron, glad to see you join us. Have you looked at the new state standards? Check out the "Fitness Stuff Thread" in the Ohio Forums if you haven't...........

01-22-2004, 07:17 PM	#18
WTFDChief730 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 102	LOL Moe (I'm not quite up to 20 miles yet )....yes I saw the fitness posts firenreq77, personal fitness and fitness programs for firefighters is very important to me and I take a sincere interest in that subject. I'm glad to see ohio BWC setting some standards in that area.

01-23-2004, 01:04 PM	#20
WTFDChief730 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 102	Yesterday was the first I saw these standards, I'm going to review them today here at work. Not sure yet on the physical agilities test...I'll let you know. Damn...its cold out today, hopefully no fire today

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