Tanker Shuttle or Portable Ponds - Firehouse Forums

ff7134 · 01-23-2004, 11:12 AM

For those of us graced with not having hydrants or few hydrants.

Do you mostly use a Tanker Shuttle or Portable Pond???

Rayr49 · 01-23-2004, 12:11 PM

Both. The way we see it, the tanker is a water hauler. If it isn't moving to get a refill it no being used. Do we sometimes have tankers "stacked up" waiting to dump?, yes we do.

We normally have some long shuttles that could not be done with LDH.

Last year we were MA to a wood treatment plant fire. We used three drop points with two ponds each, and jet siphons between the ponds at each point. Tanker shuttle was approximately six miles one way. We pulled tankers in from as far as fifty miles away. Over a 24 hour period we moved over one million gallons of water which supplied three master streams flowing 500 GPM each. The town's water system could not keep up with demand but was used to supplement one drop point. Fire was contained to the original building of approximayely 75' x 200'. Fire was caused by a boiler explosion.

This was an operation that involved VFD's, Career Depts and a Federal Dept.

Stay Safe
IACOJ

WTFD10 · 01-23-2004, 12:13 PM

I've seen a few of each type in action (working smoothly and a complete gaggle-f***) and it makes me very glad we have hydrants!

A tip of the helmet to you brothers that don't get to take your water supply for granted like we do.

ff7134 · 01-23-2004, 02:47 PM

Boy I would KILL for more Hydrants!!!

We are at about 25% hydrants....but it never fails, all our fires are no near a hydrant. In the 4+ yrs on the department I have only had to hit the hydrant once.

Weruj1 · 01-23-2004, 08:40 PM

are whole area is hydranted, however in the older part of town if it were to ever really get goin with the dinky mains there we would I think need to augment it with some shuttling.

firenresq77 · 01-23-2004, 09:02 PM

The only time we use either is at drill and that is just using our portable pond. We have probably 95-100% hydrant coverage. We keep the portable pond on our 1978 Tele-Squrt, but there has been talk of pulling it off and putting a 30+' Extension ladder on there instead.

lmrchief2 · 01-23-2004, 09:03 PM

We use both shuttle and portable ponds. If we are not going to use a lot of water but more than we have we may use one of our tankers as the tank otherwise our neighboring department will drop their portable tank to use.

As a department that has to do all the annual checks on our hydrants (We are a volunteer dept.-oops paid percall) I would just as soon go back to shuttleing water. I don't have to pump and flush any hydrants that way

firenresq77 · 01-23-2004, 09:07 PM

Quote:

I've seen a few of each type in action (working smoothly and a complete gaggle-f***) and it makes me very glad we have hydrants!

Moe, can you please explain to me what a gaggle-f*** is????

enginehouse2 · 01-24-2004, 01:13 AM

Do we sometimes have tankers "stacked up" waiting to dump?, yes we do.

Wow, too many tankers. If we have to set the pond we usually don't have the luxury of tankers waiting if the fire is working. We usually can pull a couple tankers from mutual aid plus ours but the shuttle can be as long as 10-12 miles round trip.

WTFD10 · 01-24-2004, 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by firenresq77

Moe, can you please explain to me what a gaggle-f*** is????

As explained to me by an ex-Army Ranger that I worked with years ago, it is when the situation has moved beyond a regular ol' run-of-the-mill "cluster-f***" and is in the rare category of being one of the most f****d up things you've ever seen

(And here's hoping I don't get smacked by the WT for these implied vulgarities

)

NFD159 · 01-24-2004, 09:18 AM

Let's see now, is that better or worse than being FUBAR?

PFD109NFD107 · 01-24-2004, 10:01 AM

or the other famous word... SNAFU..

I have been a part of many Gaggle f***s!!!!

Weruj1 · 01-24-2004, 10:06 AM

is that cause you got slime green trucks ?

PFD109NFD107 · 01-24-2004, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by Weruj1
is that cause you got slime green trucks ?

No it's because I have been on many runs with Rossford!!!!!

LOL... ROTFLMAO!!!

Weruj1 · 01-24-2004, 10:31 AM

one good crack certainly deserves another !

PFD109NFD107 · 01-24-2004, 10:35 AM

Yes it does my brother.....

Good morning to you.... By the way it was nice dining with you and your clan the other day. What an unexpected treat.

Weruj1 · 01-24-2004, 11:15 AM

right back at you ...............even if we were on the "wrong" side of town !....oh ya resend the PM .......... I cleaned house.

Weruj1 · 01-24-2004, 11:17 AM

hey were only 2919 posts behind the IL boyz !

firenresq77 · 01-24-2004, 05:11 PM

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No it's because I have been on many runs with Rossford!!!!! LOL... ROTFLMAO!!!

That's funny, I don't care who ya are.........

Quote:

right back at you ...............even if we were on the "wrong" side of town !

But we were closer to the center of the city........

Weruj1 · 01-24-2004, 08:51 PM

RIGhhhhttttttttttttttttttttttt ! nothing like a mayoral fire chief !

View Poll Results: Tanker Shuttle or Portable Pond
Tanker Shuttle	3	17.65%
Portable Pond	1	5.88%
Both	10	58.82%
What the heck are either of those, water comes from a hydrant	3	17.65%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

01-23-2004, 11:12 AM	#1
ff7134 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,100	Tanker Shuttle or Portable Ponds For those of us graced with not having hydrants or few hydrants. Do you mostly use a Tanker Shuttle or Portable Pond??? __________________ AKA: Mr. Whoo-Whoo IAFF Local 3900 IACOJ-The Crusty Glow Worm ENGINE 302 - The Fire Rats F.A.N.T.A.M FOOLS FTM-PTB

01-23-2004, 12:13 PM	#3
WTFD10 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,722	I've seen a few of each type in action (working smoothly and a complete gaggle-f**) and it makes me very glad we have hydrants! A tip of the helmet to you brothers that don't get to take your water supply for granted like we do. __________________ FTM-PTB-DTRT*

01-23-2004, 02:47 PM	#4
ff7134 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,100	Boy I would KILL for more Hydrants!!! We are at about 25% hydrants....but it never fails, all our fires are no near a hydrant. In the 4+ yrs on the department I have only had to hit the hydrant once. __________________ AKA: Mr. Whoo-Whoo IAFF Local 3900 IACOJ-The Crusty Glow Worm ENGINE 302 - The Fire Rats F.A.N.T.A.M FOOLS FTM-PTB

01-23-2004, 08:40 PM	#5
Weruj1 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 7,655	are whole area is hydranted, however in the older part of town if it were to ever really get goin with the dinky mains there we would I think need to augment it with some shuttling. __________________ IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT ! Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here ! ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown) RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05 LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607 I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?

01-23-2004, 12:11 PM	#2
Rayr49 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: Black Hawk VFD, South Dakota Posts: 621	Both. The way we see it, the tanker is a water hauler. If it isn't moving to get a refill it no being used. Do we sometimes have tankers "stacked up" waiting to dump?, yes we do. We normally have some long shuttles that could not be done with LDH. Last year we were MA to a wood treatment plant fire. We used three drop points with two ponds each, and jet siphons between the ponds at each point. Tanker shuttle was approximately six miles one way. We pulled tankers in from as far as fifty miles away. Over a 24 hour period we moved over one million gallons of water which supplied three master streams flowing 500 GPM each. The town's water system could not keep up with demand but was used to supplement one drop point. Fire was contained to the original building of approximayely 75' x 200'. Fire was caused by a boiler explosion. This was an operation that involved VFD's, Career Depts and a Federal Dept. Stay Safe IACOJ

01-23-2004, 09:02 PM	#6
firenresq77 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Northwest Ohio Posts: 5,246	The only time we use either is at drill and that is just using our portable pond. We have probably 95-100% hydrant coverage. We keep the portable pond on our 1978 Tele-Squrt, but there has been talk of pulling it off and putting a 30+' Extension ladder on there instead.

01-23-2004, 09:03 PM	#7
lmrchief2 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 206	We use both shuttle and portable ponds. If we are not going to use a lot of water but more than we have we may use one of our tankers as the tank otherwise our neighboring department will drop their portable tank to use. As a department that has to do all the annual checks on our hydrants (We are a volunteer dept.-oops paid percall) I would just as soon go back to shuttleing water. I don't have to pump and flush any hydrants that way

01-24-2004, 01:13 AM	#9
enginehouse2 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lookin for da heat Posts: 128	Do we sometimes have tankers "stacked up" waiting to dump?, yes we do. Wow, too many tankers. If we have to set the pond we usually don't have the luxury of tankers waiting if the fire is working. We usually can pull a couple tankers from mutual aid plus ours but the shuttle can be as long as 10-12 miles round trip.

01-24-2004, 09:18 AM	#11
NFD159 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northwood, OH Posts: 253	Let's see now, is that better or worse than being FUBAR?

01-24-2004, 10:01 AM	#12
PFD109NFD107 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Northwood, Ohio, 43619 Posts: 356	or the other famous word... SNAFU.. I have been a part of many Gaggle f***s!!!!

01-24-2004, 10:06 AM	#13
Weruj1 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 7,655	is that cause you got slime green trucks ? __________________ IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT ! Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here ! ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown) RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05 LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607 I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?

01-24-2004, 10:31 AM	#15
Weruj1 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 7,655	one good crack certainly deserves another ! __________________ IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT ! Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here ! ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown) RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05 LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607 I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?

01-24-2004, 10:35 AM	#16
PFD109NFD107 MembersZone Subscriber Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Northwood, Ohio, 43619 Posts: 356	Yes it does my brother..... Good morning to you.... By the way it was nice dining with you and your clan the other day. What an unexpected treat.

01-24-2004, 11:15 AM	#17
Weruj1 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 7,655	right back at you ...............even if we were on the "wrong" side of town !....oh ya resend the PM .......... I cleaned house. __________________ IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT ! Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here ! ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown) RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05 LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607 I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?

01-24-2004, 11:17 AM	#18
Weruj1 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 7,655	hey were only 2919 posts behind the IL boyz ! __________________ IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT ! Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here ! ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown) RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05 LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607 I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?

01-24-2004, 08:51 PM	#20
Weruj1 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 7,655	RIGhhhhttttttttttttttttttttttt ! nothing like a mayoral fire chief ! __________________ IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT ! Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here ! ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown) RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05 LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607 I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?

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