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    08.05.2008
    US Eyes German Firm Over Sofware Sale to Iran

    The German security-technology firm Draeger is being investigated in the US for potential violation of a trade embargo with Iran.

    Security-technology concern Draeger has been accused of delivering software to Iran that can be used for military purposes.

    In 2003, Draeger, based in the northern German city of Luebeck, got an order from Iran to build a surveillance system for a gas pipeline. Special software is needed to run the system, including a program that displays measured values.

    That software, which costs some 80,000 euro ($123,000) is made by a subsidiary of US electronics concern General Electric. Because the “dual use” software is applicable for both civil and military uses, export restrictions apply.

    However, the software was delivered to Iran without the necessary authorization. In September, the Draeger management told US authorities: “it has become clear to us that both softwares require export approval,” Draeger spokesperson Burkhard Dillig said.

    Regulatory jungle

    "We realized it broke the rules and that's why we informed the US authorities,” he said.

    While it is certainly difficult to wade through the regulatory jungle regarding exports to Iran, it appears clear that Draeger knew that the software couldn't simply be delivered to Iran. The firm wrote a letter -- which Deutsche Welle has read -- to the customer clearly stating that the system couldn't be delivered with software, and that software needed to be purchased and installed in Iran.

    Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Draeger and the supplier play hot-potato with blame
    The customer apparently made early contacts to a software provider in the Middle East, but nothing was ordered.

    In the end the customer, Irasco -- an Italy based company that works for the Iranian oil ministry -- demanded a full test of the product, including software, prior to delivery.

    Draeger hired Austrian businessman Sasan Azodi to purchase the software for the test in Luebeck. Azodi, who was born in Iran and whose business involves mediating deals between Iranian and European companies, had helped Draeger to get the contract in the first place.

    Azodi acknowledges that he arranged for the delivery of the software, via the US, to Luebeck, but claims he only sent it for test purposes. Upon learning that the software had been delivered to Iran, Azodi said, “that's when I realized I had probably been conned.”

    Ongoing legal battle


    The realization was the start of a legal battle, on the one hand for money he says he is still owed, and on the other, to try and prove his innocence in accusations that he broke the US trade embargo.

    Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Dräger depends on the US for one-fifth of its sales
    He claims his business has suffered from his supposed breach of US rules. But as a sign of his innocence, he points to the fact that the lawsuit he started against Draeger in the US predated the company's own admission to US officials by a half a year.

    'Organizational deficits' to blame?

    The result of his lawsuit has been destructive, Azodi said. “None of my business partners wanted anything to do with me. And there were threats: If I am ever in Iran, I could run into legal troubles. Those were the consequences of my US lawsuit,” he said.

    His ongoing lawsuits -- in the US and Europe -- are a battle he sees as one for his reputation.

    For its part, Draeger claims it did not trick Azodi into delivering the software, nor did it knowingly contravene US re-export rules. Firm spokesman blames the problem on “organizational deficits” in the company for the regulatory troubles.

    "We immediately examined them and changed them,“ he said.

    US regulators have yet to make a statement on the case. Should sanctions apply, it would be a hard hit for Draeger; one-fifth of its 1.8 billion euros annual sales volume comes from the US.

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    Oh Geez, First post and this is it!!??

    What is your other screen name, and which competitor are you affiliated with??


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    This is my first post, but that has nothing to do with this article. I am not affiliated with any Fire Service manufacturer. Apparently, your Dept uses Draeger.

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    ? What US SCBA competitor is worried about Draeger? Neither.

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    The OP can't even spell 'follow'. Can he spell his real name?
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    This is my first post and I felt it was important to post. I did not write the article or make up a fictional story. I am not affiliated with any SCBA manufacturer or for that matter any fire service product, just someone who feels it's important to protect our soil. My guess is your Dept uses Draeger and too no surprise you do not live in the US.

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    Welcome to the boards folowsmoke. You will learn most people think they are better than you (as proved by some posters in this thread). Keep in mind there are good people here that have great info.

    To your subject; I think it is important that we know stuff like this even if the original poster does work for a manufacturer. Selling to terrorists? Hopefully our military will stop buying their products. They are junk to begin with anyways. I used them wheni was in the Navy. Not very impressed. And this news, if true, makes their stuff that much more worthless to me.

    It is important for us to buy American as much as we can, especially if we are a union department.

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    If you are indeed a new poster welcome aboard. This is just not the way most folks get started. Most posters introduce themselves, and perhaps post a question or other inquiry.

    There are also a lot of people who show up to start trouble and argue over useless points. This one is pretty minor in my opinion.

    Drager will get thier hands slapped if they unknowingly did wrong, and hopefully they learn from it. If not, and this was a cheap way to drum up business, they deserve some legal action. I don't see a reason to paint a manufacturer negatively just yet, and there are always companies closer to home with dirty hands as well. Lets try the criminal, not the company.

    I am not going to automatically question the integrity (or "who's got my back", as you put it) of the hundreds or thousands of design engineers, distributors, salesman, service reps, etc, just because someone in the company gave away a sensitive piece of software...

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    Default Lots of this happening

    I spent 4 years in Iran and there were several American companies supplying Iranian oil industry with technology and equipment through subsidiaries in UK and Europe. A lot of it was pretty advanced stuff for oil industry. I'm not sure if this would classify as embargoed equipment or not. One of the companies involved was a major US contractor involved big time in Middle East now. Also this was happening in Libya for years before Quadaffi came in from the cold.

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    Software for pipelines? HuH? What does this have to do with Firefighters?
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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    Actually nothing to do with pipelines Chief, lots of electronic sensing equipment, MSA SCBA as well as Draeger, Massive compressors and turbines,
    communication equipment. As well these 2 phases of a 25 phase project produced 2 billion CF/day of gas and 80,000 CM of condensate. Sales and profits went right to gov't. Do the math, Who knows what this money ended up financing?




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    Software for pipelines? HuH? What does this have to do with Firefighters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Actually nothing to do with pipelines Chief, lots of electronic sensing equipment, MSA SCBA as well as Draeger, Massive compressors and turbines,
    communication equipment. As well these 2 phases of a 25 phase project produced 2 billion CF/day of gas and 80,000 CM of condensate. Sales and profits went right to gov't. Do the math, Who knows what this money ended up financing?
    Gotcha, so nothing to do with firefighting.
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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