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    Default Navy base hiring in Chicago

    I saw 6 openings at a Navy base in Chicago or general area. I believe it was for entry level (gs 4-7). Go to usajobs.com and search it out.

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    Both Navy boot camp and a training command are both just outside of Chicago, at a location called Great Lakes. either one of these may be the place.

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    Shhhhh.............

    Just kidding...

    I am hoping to get in there, I have been waiting for this chance for almost 2 years. I have been posting a few questions here trying to figure out the schedule and possible pay I could be recieving.

    Does anyone here know someone who was a government employee and transfered to the Department of Navy as a Firefighter? I know the most common is former military that become federal firefighters. I happen to be both former Air Force, a current US Postal Svc employee, and a part-time firefighter.

    I also want to thank everyone here for all the help you have provided. Transition from any job to another can be quite a stressful experience, it is good to have the help everyone here.

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    Why are they requiring D/O cert for tiller? I thought the DOD did away with tillers a long time ago. Hopefully it is an error.

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    No, not as far as I have been told.

    I visited the department and spoke with the chief a few months ago as you suggested. He said my credentials were just fine. He told me not to worry about the IFSAC/ProBoard issues.

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    So they do have a tiller? If that is true, very cool.

    6 openings is also cool news.

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    No, no tiller, just a Pierce Ladder Truck. I don't recall if it was a straight stick or a platform.

    How did you hear/know that there are 6 openings??

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    I pasted the info with the basics.

    Regarding the tiller, I believe the only DOD left with one is a navy base in Virginia.

    FIREFIGHTER (BLS/HAZMAT TECH)

    SALARY RANGE: 28,912.00 - 52,084.00 USD per year OPEN PERIOD: Wednesday, June 11, 2008
    to Wednesday, June 25, 2008
    SERIES & GRADE: GS-0081-04/07 POSITION INFORMATION: Full-Time Permanent
    PROMOTION POTENTIAL: 07 DUTY LOCATIONS: 6 vacancies - Chicago, IL
    WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: Applications will be accepted from United States citizens and nationals.

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    Guess I should read things more closely...

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    Eager to hear something about GLFD, I checked my resume. The CHART computer system thinks I am unqualified for the position. Thanks have a nice day. GIVE ME A SET OF IRONS AND I WILL SHOW IT HOW UNQUALIFIED I AM!

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    extinguisher911,

    If you checked your status online using CHART, then you were found unqualified for an open continuous job. Chances are you were compared to a gs 7 job and that is why you were found not qualified. In regards to the GLFS and the job you just applied for, those results will come in the mail in about 90 days. There are 6 openings at gs 4, so you will be qualified.

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    In other words I am qualified as a 4, 5, or 6. That is good news.

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    You are qualified for the 4, but I am not sure about the others. If you are prior military you will be ahead of the other canidates as far as getting selected goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extinguisher911 View Post
    In other words I am qualified as a 4, 5, or 6. That is good news.
    ARFF42 has it right. Additionally, I dont know if anyone mentioned this or not, but it's all in the way you worded your CHART/RESUMIX narrations. You would most definetly qual for the GS4 spot, and most likely the GS5 spot. 6? Thats stretching things, and absolutely no way for the 7 unless you were a current gov't employee and even then thats questionable.

    Find out where your regional CPOC (civilian personnel operations center) is located, and see if you can get a number for there. Give them a call, and ask for some assistance from a specialist who knows the 0081 job series. If you talk to anyone else, you may as well talk to a brick wall.
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    One other thing you can try-

    This is a gamble, but it worked out for me......If you are close to GL, try to make an appointment with the Fire Chief. Get a haircut. Take a shower. Cut your fingernails and clean your ears. Get your suit on (yes, I said SUIT. If you dont have one, go to Wal Mart and get a cheepy) knot up your tie nice and square, and get copies of all your paperwork. Write a decently worded cover sheet, addressed to the Fire Chief. Explain how you feel that you would be an asset to the Department if given the opportunity, blah blah blah blah.....Put it all in a large manilla envelope and seal it.

    If you get in, just tell him you were very interested in the job, and wanted to know more about the facility and the fire department. If he has time he may take you into his office and chit chat for a few minutes, or he may walk you around the station for a few minutes. Or, he may even pass you off to the Asst Chief or Captain and explain he doesnt have time to see you.....Now if, and I say IF it feels right-

    *Is he impressed that you took the time to get cleaned up, put on a suit, clean the gunk out from under your fingernails, knot your tie square, and come to see him, -OR-

    **Is he ****ed that you took time out of his schedule to kiss his ***?

    If the answer is the first one, before you depart, thank him for his time and hand him your envelope and say "here are copies of my paperwork." If he was impressed, and likes you, he ma very well pick up the phone and call CPOC or HR there at GL and say "Yeah put this kid's paperwork on top of the stack."

    If it felt like the second answer, thank him for his time and walk out. Do NOT hand him the envelope. You do NOT want to be on the radar.

    It worked out for me quite well. It's all in how you present yourself. Do you know any of the current firefighters there? Perhaps you could get some inside information from them. "The Boys" are usually "in the know."

    And finally, always remember, you could get hosed by Vets who want the job, or by someone getting in ahead of you off the stopper list from another base. And these days, in the Navy Fed FD, that would be no surprise!
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    I am a veteran, and I am also a current government employee.

    I visited the department twice, once two years ago, and most recently I met with the chief for an hour. The Chief asked for a copy of my CHART resume, DD214, USPS Form 50, NREMT, and Illinois State Firefighter Qualifications. I copied all my documentation and overnighted it to the Chief as requested. The Chief called me a few days before the posting and informed me to keep an eye out.

    I felt great about my chances until getting the response from CHART.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extinguisher911 View Post
    I am a veteran, and I am also a current government employee.

    I visited the department twice, once two years ago, and most recently I met with the chief for an hour. The Chief asked for a copy of my CHART resume, DD214, USPS Form 50, NREMT, and Illinois State Firefighter Qualifications. I copied all my documentation and overnighted it to the Chief as requested. The Chief called me a few days before the posting and informed me to keep an eye out.

    I felt great about my chances until getting the response from CHART.
    Based on what you just said, I would say that the Chief is most definetly interested in you, and could be an ally. Do you have his email address by any chance? Drop him a note, and tell him you are getting dragged through the CHART/RESUMIX grinder, and you were advised you were not qualified. Tell him you thought you covered everything in CHART and thought you had "all your i's dotted and t's crossed". Ask him for advice.....If he is as interested in you as the above describes, all it could take will be one phone call from him to HR or CPOC and you are golden. Especially being a vet!
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    It's good to see I am on the right track. As soon as I got the message, I emailed the Chief to ask for his advice. I think he is out of the office on weekends, I look forward to hearing from him sometime during the week.

    Thanks for being there to lend a hand.

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    The Chief gave me some contact information at the base HRO for the person handling staffing.

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    Extinguisher911,

    It sounds like you at least have a foot in the door. Here are two other options for you. It is important that you know that the fire chief has to want you in the department. He also has to be willing to make some HR people do their job. They will say that it can not be done, but it is only because they either donít know or donít want to do the work.
    Option 1: if you donít make the list that gets to the fire chief, he can do a name select since you have applied for the position. He has to be willing to call HR and tell them that you were an applicant for the opening, but did not make the list for whatever reason. As the chief, if he wants you he can name select you.
    Option 2: If for some reason you donít get hired on this go-round, you need to get a reliable contact within the department. Have that contact inform you in advance of when there will be a vacancy there. (i.e.- someone retiring or moving on) As soon as you get this information, you need to send the chief an email, letter, etc. stating that you are requesting a transfer. I am not exactly sure that this will work as you would be coming from USPS to the DOD, but the regulation that allows it is an OPM reg. It can be found in PERMISS Code of Federal Regulations Title 5, Chapter 210, Section 102 and Chapter 315, Subpart E, and Code of Federal Regulations: Title 5, Section 335.102 . You have to initiate this process before the announcement hits the street. If the chief wants to hire you, he has to forward the request on to HR with his blessing. It can be done. I did it, and HR was not happy. I am not sure why, they didnít have to do any more work than if they had to announce the position. I can email the above sections to you if you end up needing them, just let me know. Stay Safe!!

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    I would appreciate the information forward it to me at: extinguisher911@sbcglobal.net

    I contacted the base HRO and they are not sure why I was termed "unqualified". They are requesting my file, apparently it is currently at a higher level. The best the HRO representative could figure was that my certifications are with the State of Illinois which does not subscribe to IFSAC or ProBoard. I have been told that while required it is not always needed. Once the HRO representative reviews the file she will contact me again.

    I have and will not give up, I also believe I have a foot in the door. My goal is obviously to get the rest of me in the door.

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    Extinguisher911,

    You should have an email from me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mopanglow View Post
    Extinguisher911,

    You should have an email from me..

    Thanks for the information

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    Any advice?

    I don't want to bug the chief constantly, I am going to keep in contact with Great Lakes HRO.

    After contacting HRO today, they said I am qualified as a GS-4. They are stating that they did not post a hiring for GS-4 only 5,6,&7?? I thought the listing included a 4?
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    Unless things have changed that drastically since I was a Fed FF, you wouldnt even be able to pay for gas if you got hired as a 4. Sounds to me suspiciously like HRO at GL does not know what they are talking about. Remember, these are the same people who hire secretaries, snow plow drivers, janitors, and management personnel. When it comes to hiring for the 0081 series they are **usually** clueless. Usually, not always. It's not their fault, they just dont know any better.

    True story- I was over at HR one day to see about a change in my benefits, and while the girl was typing in the computer, we were chit chatting, and somehow the subject of our hours came up- She says "You mean you guys actually STAY here for 24 hours? You SLEEP here?"

    Here's what I would do. Circumnavigate around GL HRO and go right for whatever CPOC office is in charge of them. I wouldnt worry about ****ing the Chief off, its GL HRO I would be more worried about. Contact the regional CPOC office, and find someone who is proficient with rating 0081 applications and see if they can help you. Try to get their email address, and when you contact them and explain the problem, BCC the Chief in on the email. Or, perhaps you could ask GL HRO to have your application package "rated" by the CPOC.
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