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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    Like their EMS program, the PBCC fire academy has lowered and "dumbed down" their standards to get people through and collect their money. The instructors can't do anything about it apparently, and the state isn't helping. I have heard the hose drag portion of the "triple" has changed to dragging an uncharged line. Anyone else hear that? The fire academy has been made easier for certain reasons we all know already, but aren't allowed to talk about. The people I've tested during our pre-hire process from PBCC and Coral Springs(which is even worse) are cluless in the basics, let alone anything advanced. They are the fire academy equivelent to the "fast track medic mills" like FMTI. I'm afraid of what the future holds for us.

    You are correct, in the Big 3 now they have to advance an uncharged hose around a cone, make the turn, stop in the circle, make sure the hose is flaked out correctly, call for water and let it rip, they made it way too easy! I was extremely surprised to hear about it, as I'm sure you were as well...


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    layinonair,

    What ones are considered the "Big 3"? I guess my next question is why are they doing this? Is the failing rate increased if they don't reduce the standards?

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    I couldn't believe it when my instructor friend told me about the changes. Dragging that charged hose 100' eliminated people that shouldn't be firefighters. There are already too many certified people out here. There's just not enough jobs for everyone. The changes are at least more realistic. In real life, we pull an attack line and carry it to the point of entry, THEN charge it. Maybe the state should require trainees to drag that charged line through a front door, around a corner, down the hall, and around another corner to the cones. I think the change in ladder is a great idea. Shorties will have problems with it. Remember guys, the schools only teach the state's curriculum.

    Back to the topic: No one has mentioned Hillsborough Community College? They just built a new training center. I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard things.
    ...at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctrlaltdelete View Post
    layinonair,

    What ones are considered the "Big 3"? I guess my next question is why are they doing this? Is the failing rate increased if they don't reduce the standards?

    I take it you haven't been through minimum standards yet. The "Big 3" or the "triple", as we call it down here, is a part of your state test practical assessment. You must put on an air pack in 60sec, pull 100' of 1-3/4" hose and knock down 3 cones and then raise a 24' extension ladder. It proves that you are physically able to do the job.

    Swimming and treading water used to be a part of the entrance physical for fire academy. Some people just aren't good swimmers so it was removed to avoid discrimination lawsuits from the ACLU and other similar organizations. I would imagine the same goes for the hose pull. We work in the "kinder, gentler" fire service today where requirements are laxed to allow an equal opportunity for anyone to get in.
    If your going to cry about doing the job you signed up for do us all a favor and quit, there are plenty of dedicated people standing in line for the best job in the world.

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    I joined Coral Springs Fire Academy the other day. I thought they where the top Academy in Florida. Did i buy into the hype? I would hate to look for a job and I am viewed as a less qualified applicant because of the school.
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    Firemedic 61,

    "I take it you haven't been through minimum standards yet" not in Florida.

    I thought when he was saying the "big 3" he meant that at those schools they have reduced their practical assessment and I took it as schools and not practical assessments. Just me misunderstanding, I was certified in Vermont and can remember those assessments. I don't recall that they called it anything.

    Stinks my cert will not transfer to Florida, so I'm waiting the year to have resident status so I don't pay out of state tuition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthro View Post
    I joined Coral Springs Fire Academy the other day. I thought they where the top Academy in Florida. Did i buy into the hype?
    In a word, YES.
    If your going to cry about doing the job you signed up for do us all a favor and quit, there are plenty of dedicated people standing in line for the best job in the world.

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    Fire school is well....... fire school, they teach you the basics and how the state of FL wants to see things done. No matter what school you go to what matters most is what YOU make of it.

    Study hard, work hard, get that cert, and do something with it likr volunteer. You will learn a TON more working with equipment then jsut getting yelled at and doing pushups for not holding a ladder the right way.

    And like medic school, study hard keep your nose in the books, learn everything you can, and never be timid to get hands on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    Broward Fire Academy is top notch. Stay away from Coral Springs' academy if you are coming down south.
    I am curious as to which school you graduated from? Last I heard Coral Springs was the top ranked Fire Academy in the State?

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    I went to BFA but my opinion is based on what I have seen while administering the fire practical portion of my Dept's recruit test and probie training. The applicants who stand out the most seem to always be from BFA, IRCC or Ocala. The ones who continually do the WORST come from PBCC and Coral Springs. Yes, I will say there are exceptions but not many. My brother works in Broward and says the same thing as does a friend of mine who works for Martin Co where they draw from pretty much the same applicant pool(tri-county area).
    If your going to cry about doing the job you signed up for do us all a favor and quit, there are plenty of dedicated people standing in line for the best job in the world.

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    Do not waste your time with FCTI! It has gone to complete hell. The students run the program now. If the instructors get to tough on them or they fail out, they hire lawyers and get back in. The word sissy comes to mind with the program now. And on top of that, the new standards that are coming down from the state equals we are screwed ladies and gents. How many of us will be killed or injured because of the new PC fire service?

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    Lake tech in Tavares was a great school. Great instructors!

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    Default The new big 3

    There is a video demonstration of the proposed changes to the big 3 on the FSFC web site floridafireprograms.com I think it's under the media link.

    It's my understanding that they are still proposed changes. The state had said they were going with them this year, then they backed off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    In a word, YES.
    uhhh...in a word no! Springs IS one of the best academies in the state. They will get you through your state test and then you will be able to apply for a job. Months after getting out of that program I landed a job as an EMT in a very tough hiring environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fokker416 View Post
    There is a video demonstration of the proposed changes to the big 3 on the FSFC web site floridafireprograms.com I think it's under the media link.

    It's my understanding that they are still proposed changes. The state had said they were going with them this year, then they backed off.
    My instructor friend is teaching the new Big 3 to the current class.
    ...at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onlegendary View Post
    uhhh...in a word no! Springs IS one of the best academies in the state. They will get you through your state test and then you will be able to apply for a job. Months after getting out of that program I landed a job as an EMT in a very tough hiring environment.
    FMTI and HCI will get you through EMT and medic too, but they don't teach you how to do the job. There are some people who do learn from Springs but the MAJORITY of the ones I have tested can't even take down a 24' extension ladder by themselves. WTF over? So you are one of the few who learned more than just how to pass the state test, good for you. I still stand by my statment that Springs graduates are not up to par like BFA, IRCC and Ocala.
    If your going to cry about doing the job you signed up for do us all a favor and quit, there are plenty of dedicated people standing in line for the best job in the world.

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    Went to the fire college in Ocala this week, seems like they have their act together, also they noted that they are adding an EMT program some time in Oct. I guess the part I can't get past is that they say they have an 88% job placement. Seems high for what I read in this forum that jobs are limited at the moment. Hopefully with a clean record, B.S and past experience will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctrlaltdelete View Post
    Went to the fire college in Ocala this week, seems like they have their act together, also they noted that they are adding an EMT program some time in Oct. I guess the part I can't get past is that they say they have an 88% job placement. Seems high for what I read in this forum that jobs are limited at the moment. Hopefully with a clean record, B.S and past experience will help.
    I took a 3 day refresher at Ocala a while back before I had to recertify. I hope they run their classes tighter than the refresher. It was aweful. I did benefit from the class, but it could have been alot better.

    Look forward to living in a dorm with a bunch of kids and PTing every morning.
    ...at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtilityCow View Post
    Look forward to living in a dorm with a bunch of kids and PTing every morning.
    I asked them about living in the dorm and they said that as long as I'm there by 7, I don't need to live in a dorm. And the PTing doesn't bother me in the morning, I hit the gym at 5:30 am every other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    FMTI and HCI will get you through EMT and medic too, but they don't teach you how to do the job. There are some people who do learn from Springs but the MAJORITY of the ones I have tested can't even take down a 24' extension ladder by themselves. WTF over? So you are one of the few who learned more than just how to pass the state test, good for you. I still stand by my statment that Springs graduates are not up to par like BFA, IRCC and Ocala.

    Whatever, you can say the same thing about BFA and IRCC and even Ocala (although I hear good things about Ocala). The majority of the ones you have tested? What department do you work for? I'm guessing county.

    It's all about the hype but here is some good press for Springs. I'll support them because I feel they gave me a good experiance:

    January 24, 2008: Coral Springs Fire Academy Named Number One in the State
    The Florida Fire Training Directors Association has named the Coral Springs Fire Academy as “Fire Training Center of the Year” in Florida for 2007. Having only begun it’s own Fire and EMT academy a few years ago, this is quite an accomplishment for the Coral Springs Fire Department.

    The competition for this annual award is always intense. Fire academies from all across the state, including the State Fire College in Ocala, were nominated for this coveted award.

    The selection committee chose the Coral Springs Fire Academy for their outstanding performance in training future firefighters of this state, as well as their contributions to the development of innovative training programs and procedures that have become new standards for the training of firefighters across the state.

    “This award showcases the importance of operating an academy that is built on a “Commitment to Excellence,” the Academy motto,” Chief of Training Robert Bertone said.

    This recognition closely follows the City’s recent receipt of the nationally coveted Malcolm Baldrige National Quality Award.

    “Our academy has had some of the highest passing rates in the state for several years now, and this award confirms our commitment to the quality of our graduates,” Bertone added.

    The Academy has trained over 1,000 career firefighters in Flashover Awareness in the last two years, and continues to serve as a major training resource for 12 local fire departments and four local law enforcement agencies.

    "The Award validates our commitment to excellence in preparing firefighters for the challenges associated with this most demanding and dangerous profession,” City Manager Mike Levinson said. “The beneficiaries of this Award are the people we serve."

    Chief Training Officer Robert Bertone and Fire Chief Mark Curran will accept the award in Tallahassee in April.

    For more information on this award, please contact Fire Department PIO Mike Moser at 754-224-1982 or by e-mail at mmoser@coralsprings.org.

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