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    Default The Sunset coming for "Ma Deuce?"

    It seems the Army is looking at replacing the beloved M2 .50 calibre machine gun. What a sad day.

    A 90 year old, simple, yet effective weapon design may be destined for the trash heap of history. Kind of sad really. If they do go through with it, hopefully it will not turn out to be the boondoggle and life endangering change from 1911A1 to the P.O.S. Beretta 92F back in 1985.

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    Sounds like they're trying to fix something that ain't broke....

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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840 View Post
    Sounds like they're trying to fix something that ain't broke....
    I agree. The only possible benefit of a new .50 calibre is that it is lighter. As it is the M2 is a fantastic, effectice weapon. It is technically "man packable" but who in their right mind is going to order thier guys to hump a Ma Deuce.....scratch that - I knew a few moron officers that would have.

    As for recoil - the damn thing hardly has any - especially when on a vehicle's hard point.

    There are some good weapons out there, but even after 100 years there are still only minor tweaks to John Browning's designs - so why mess with a proven thing? It only costs the ground pounders their lives when it breaks - a la the Beretta and M-16 and its variants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    I agree. The only possible benefit of a new .50 calibre is that it is lighter. As it is the M2 is a fantastic, effectice weapon. It is technically "man packable" but who in their right mind is going to order thier guys to hump a Ma Deuce.....scratch that - I knew a few moron officers that would have.

    I've packed that Muther#@$!%&.


    Of course when broken down into the three assemblies, it's managable, but not exactly a "patrol" weapon. Sometimes you have to pack it to get it into a good fire position however.

    It is sad to see it go, but a hell of a service life and legend it will leave.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mcaldwell View Post
    I've packed that Muther#@$!%&.
    Me too, but like I said - I have known some Zeros that though this was a good idea......Never saw them carry a piece for ti though. Guess they were "above" that.

    Quote Originally Posted by mcaldwell View Post
    Of course when broken down into the three assemblies, it's managable, but not exactly a "patrol" weapon. Sometimes you have to pack it to get it into a good fire position however.
    True. But it can also be flown in, or driven into an area after you are set up.

    Quote Originally Posted by mcaldwell View Post
    It is sad to see it go, but a hell of a service life and legend it will leave.
    Most of John Browning's designs have had a great service life. The M1917 .30 calibre machine gun was in use before WWI and was still in use through the early Viet Nam days (more than 50 years.)

    The BAR was in use from WWI until mid Viet Nam times (another 50 years.)

    The M1911 was designed in 1907 and is still in use in mildly modified forms with U.S. Special Operations forces - more than 100 years later.

    Now the Ma Deuce. John Browning was a designer of exceptional weapons that nothing else can match.

    Quote Originally Posted by mcaldwell View Post
    Now what are they gonna do with all them extra guns!?. I just need sumthin for gopher huntin...
    I need something to help me get through traffic. Of course with a M2 it makes cleaning up that varmint easier since you can leave all of those bits out there for fertilizer.
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    Hmmm Maybe the govt should contact some of them lads down in Kentucky and NC. They'd probably snap up any surplus 50's. Could always put a MG nest in front of station for protection against the hordes of undesireables breaking into the fire station, Mount em in a siamese configuration on top of trucks, handy for clearing wildlife when on way to fire or protecting the trucks in case they break down on way to fire, handy for fire practice, instead of spraying water, could always run a few belts through, use tracer to ignite your controlled burn and to teach the boys to keep their heads down when entering a structure

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    Folks that go to Knob Creek in West Point for the MG shoot would love to snap them up.Last I saw in a Shotgun News,fully operational ClassIII M2s were going for $12,900 USD.Dumping a bunch of them on the market would bring the price down somewhat.
    But seriously,first they got rid of the M 14,then the 1911 got downsized to a 9.NOW,the Ma Duece is being put out to pasture?What's next?Destroyers?
    M2s are effective tin can weapons especially when in port.Having one on deck with a sound powered phone equipped sailor standing watch can be an effective deterrent to those wanting to repeat the USS Cole attack.Especially if said bluejacket remembers what price hesitation can cost you.

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