Nfpa Scba Brackets In Our New Engine

[ff38jmd]

My Department recently took delivery of an E-one which is outfitted with the "911 seats" that have NFPA COMPLIENT CYLINDER BRACKETS. These brackets release the scba when the user pulls a rip cord. The bracket uses a webbing that stretches over the backplate and clips into a fastener on the back of the seat frame. The webbing needs to pass between your coat and the backplate as you exit your seat. Thus you can not, under the MFG recomondations, tighten any of the scba straps until you get out of the seat. By far this is the worse user freindly item on our new engine.
Anyone here know of a NFPA complient bracket that works better than these?

[PineyPower]

Our tender/pumper, a 2005 Seagrave, just has jumpseats that have a strap around the entire SCBA setup and clips in to hold it on the bracket. You just have to pull a string and the entire setup comes loose and you are able to do whatever you need to from there. We have an enclosed crew cab and since it was made around 2005 I would think that they are NFPA compliant as of recent unless they changed it from 2005 to now.

[lexfd5]

Just wait until you are seated with the SCBA straps around your arms, you pull the string...and you have the entire string in your hand...lots of fun then.

[PineyPower]

Hmm...well, we are spec'ing a new engine for maybe in 2 years so we'll see what they put in it. I hope that's not what is. I'd hate to be doing that. Having to sit and not be able to secure the straps until you have to get up.

[Dave1983]

I always thought these straps were used to secure UN-used SCBAs that are in the cab. No? If your putting it on, its being used.

Do what we do...Pull the cord, sit down, put SCBA on. Now the SCBA is secured...to you.

[MemphisE34a]

ALL NFPA compliant SCBA brackets that I have seen SUCK! They are so bad that I would actually rather put the SCBA's back in the compartments and just put it on when I get there.

NFPA standards go too far in many instances and this is a perfect example.

[RFDACM02]

Our new truck is being equipped with the newer style that uses a mechanical system that holds the bottle vertical while a ring swings down over the top of the cylinder. Upon release of the seat handle the top ring pops up and the SCBA can be pulled forward and out, no strings or materials between the pack and your back.

H.O. Bostrom Firefighter seat:

http://www.hobostrom.com/en/fire/fr_..._SecureAll.asp
Pierce also has a similar mechanical seat mount that eliminates these issues.

[CanadianFyrTrks]

Our new truck is being equipped with the newer style that uses a mechanical system that holds the bottle vertical while a ring swings down over the top of the cylinder. Upon release of the seat handle the top ring pops up and the SCBA can be pulled forward and out, no strings or materials between the pack and your back.

H.O. Bostrom Firefighter seat:

http://www.hobostrom.com/en/fire/fr_..._SecureAll.asp
Pierce also has a similar mechanical seat mount that eliminates these issues.

While I've spent the better chunk of my time dealing with Zico and their release system, I was getting mighty tired of their equipment just falling apart. The system is great.... until first tug.

However not to discredit them they have the mechanical style available too.

[ff38jmd]

Glad to hee the rest of the world is dealing with the maddness of the almighty NFPA, as we are. Many here are working around the problem here but I would like to offer a solution. Thanks for the input on the H.O. site and I'll look into the Zico system as well.
JD
Stay low

[RoaddoggAK]

Got a chance to see the Bostrom seats at Harrisburg. Nice looking setup and pretty stoutly built. I like the fact that you don't have to order a different bracket depending on the bottle size. It's one setup that is adjustable for whatever height and diameter bottles you run. It's also able to be retrofit to your prior Tanker model SCBA seats. The problem is that the price is a bit hard to swallow. I think that its about 600 for the retrofit and over 1000 for a whole seat. (But dont quote me on that .)

[Ha11igan]

Hey imagine that, the NFPA coming up with something to inhibit firefighting operations and cost more money.

[edge1317]

Hey imagine that, the NFPA coming up with something to inhibit firefighting operations and cost more money.

Tell me how does this inhibit firefighting ops.....?

[Bones42]

Pull the cord, sit down, put SCBA on

Same here. Not a big deal.

[FyredUp]

I always thought these straps were used to secure UN-used SCBAs that are in the cab. No? If your putting it on, its being used.

Do what we do...Pull the cord, sit down, put SCBA on. Now the SCBA is secured...to you.

I can only say in response to this that if you pull the cord to release the strap on the scba brackets we have, without being seated, the scba will fall out of the seat. The bracket is nothing more than a rounded V that the scba rests against, the strap holds it against the V. If that is what they have it isn;t as simple as pulling the strap sitting down and putting the scba on.

These brackest suck big time and I am sure many FD's have done what we did to modify them.

[dday05]

As said before pull the cord then sit down. It sucks but if involved in a apparatus mva atleast the pack will not go flying around (hopefully). Sometimes it's just as easy to put the pack on just before you step off the truck.

[RFDACM02]

I can only say in response to this that if you pull the cord to release the strap on the scba brackets we have, without being seated, the scba will fall out of the seat. The bracket is nothing more than a rounded V that the scba rests against, the strap holds it against the V. If that is what they have it isn;t as simple as pulling the strap sitting down and putting the scba on.

These brackest suck big time and I am sure many FD's have done what we did to modify them.

These are the newer NFPA compliant type that ensures the pack must be secured to ride down the road when no one is in the seat. Our tower has these and they are a PITA. Like I said, the new mechanical fit type look like the bes solution to flying object and user friendliness.

[mhenrich]

we have brackets that are a 3/4 circle with the straps to hold the SCBAs in place. For the most part the SCBA is secured with this strap unless someone is riding in this seat, in which case the strap is released at the start of shift and put back in place at the end. (we are a combination department so there is anywhere from 2-6 people per engine depending on the day and time)

[neiowa]

Zico catalog shows several choices in mechanical hold brackets (1045). Options available hold the cylinder from sides or from top/bottom.

Flamefighter also has a retro fit kit to eliminate the straps design.

I recently drove a new E-One pumper that had the Bostrom units. Very slick, only had to move the release handle (on seat between leg) up about 1" to release.

[Dave1983]

I can only say in response to this that if you pull the cord to release the strap on the scba brackets we have, without being seated, the scba will fall out of the seat. The bracket is nothing more than a rounded V that the scba rests against, the strap holds it against the V. If that is what they have it isn;t as simple as pulling the strap sitting down and putting the scba on.

These brackest suck big time and I am sure many FD's have done what we did to modify them.

Hmmm...Ours are just like the old type of bracket, just that they have a strap that goes over the pack with a release and pull cord. Without the strap, they stay in place just like the old ones. The strap serves no purpose other then to hold the pack in place during rapid deceleration.

[RFDACM02]

Hmmm...Ours are just like the old type of bracket, just that they have a strap that goes over the pack with a release and pull cord. Without the strap, they stay in place just like the old ones. The strap serves no purpose other then to hold the pack in place during rapid deceleration.

The newer NFPA compliant brackets no longer have the "clips" the bottle snaps into. Now, as FYREDUP notes, the bottle is, for lack of better terms, leaned against the "Vee" shaped brackets and held in place by the strap. Of course you could just by the high cycle bottle clips of old and change out the two bolts per bracket...