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    Our department is looking at purchasing a new tower ladder and we are strongly leaning towards the E-One HP 95 Mid Mount, can anyone give me some insight into the vehicle.

    If you have any words of wisdom about E-One, their quality & service, if that is a practicle aerial device, etc....

    If you have an HP 95, have you had any problems with it, any bugs so too speak?

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    Dealer service, this is what every truck comes down to. Where is your dealer do they have onsite service both routine and emergency. If you breakdown on Friday are out of luck until Monday when you can bring it to the shop? Demand quality service and you will in the end (most of the time) get a good truck!

    Why are leaning to Eone who else have you looked at?

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    Service goes a long long long way towards a company, Depending who you talk to regarding e-one, you'll get mixed messages (Even here) I'll keep my comments to a minimum but there are a few great Mid-Mounts Available right now from a whole slew of Manufacturers.

    Good Luck

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    I know of two departments that have them. One in Kansas and one in Missouri. All I will say is give them a call and ask them about their trucks and your second post will probably be. What companies besides E-one make MM platforms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    What companies besides E-one make MM platforms?
    To name a few

    Smeal

    Ferrara

    American LaFrance (Until they're gone there in business)

    Stuphen

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianFyrTrks View Post
    To name a few

    Smeal

    Ferrara

    American LaFrance (Until they're gone there in business)

    Stuphen(I think this is spelled: Sumpthen)
    Toss in a few more:

    Aerialscope/Seagrave

    Crimson

    Seagrave

    Toyne

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    Post What about the big ( OVAL )

    " Pierce " 95' Mm

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    Keep in mind that many of those mentioned above use RK or Smeal aerials.
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    Contact Perth Amboy, NJ......ask them how they have liked theirs.

    http://www.ci.perthamboy.nj.us/html/...epartment.html

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    We have an e-one 95ft rear mount that seems to be out of service more than it's in service.

    I understand that fire apparatus have the same competitions among firefighters as the ford/chevy/dodge dilemma, but given the choice, I would never buy an apparatus that relys so heavily on electronics from a manufacturer that is notorious for electrical problems.

    We just took our e-one out of service tonight for a broken bolt that mounts the hydraulic lifting cylinder to the aerial.

    We've had good luck with Pierce.

    Good Luck and shop around..................

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    I would have to agree with Jplas577. We have two 2005 E-one pumps, a 2007 E-one pump, a 2001 75' E-one Quint and a 2005 E-one brush rig mounted on an International chassis. They all have the same electrical nightmares among other things with one of them being major. We just took delivery of another pump and it was not an E-one. I would be very cautious with purchasing E-one. Now if only one of the above pumps had issues i would understand your bound to get one with that many in service, but they all have the same problem.

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    Conversly, our E-One 95' Ladder Tower hasn't missed a beat. Bean going great since 2001 aside from minor maintenance issues.

    Anyone cane build a rig. Anyone can run a rig. It comes down to a dealer who can AND is willing to service the rig that makes the difference.

    And the Pierce aerials in our area have far more problems than the E-One aerials it seems.
    Stay low and move it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    I know of two departments that have them. One in Kansas and one in Missouri. All I will say is give them a call and ask them about their trucks and your second post will probably be. What companies besides E-one make MM platforms?

    City of Merriam Fire Department 913-322-5530

    South Metro 816-331-3008
    Mobile, AL has taken delivery of a 95MM withing the past year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ha11igan View Post
    Keep in mind that many of those mentioned above use RK or Smeal aerials.
    Ferarra uses a Smeal aerial.

    Toyne uses RK.

    Seagrave was using RK for their mid-mounts as late as a year ago, but I understand that relationship may have ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemed15 View Post
    Our department is looking at purchasing a new tower ladder and we are strongly leaning towards the E-One HP 95 Mid Mount, can anyone give me some insight into the vehicle.

    If you have any words of wisdom about E-One, their quality & service, if that is a practicle aerial device, etc....

    If you have an HP 95, have you had any problems with it, any bugs so too speak?

    Thanks
    Not trying to start anything here, but I'm curious for the reason why you're limiting your choices to one vendor?

    We looked at at least eight different manufacturers in our process. Each one had things we liked and didn't like. One thing I remember about E-One I liked was their outriggers and stabilizers. They have one of the narrowest outrigger widths of any mid-mount (less than 15ft).

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    Default Mobile Alabama Mid-Mount

    Mobile in fact has two E-ONE Mid-Mounts. They purchased one several years ago and recently took delivery of the second unit.

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    i like the E-One product line in general, and really like E-One aerials, with one notable exception...their 95' mid-mount.

    Seen 'em, not impressed, don't like the placement of the aerial on the chassis, not as conducive to low level ops as the other mid mounts, and the biggest advantage of a mid mount is the ability to get down to ground level and blast water right onto the first floor.

    suggestion...Sutphen, Pierce, ALF (yea the ALF sucks but LTI is great) Ferrara before E-One midmounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deputyhunter View Post
    i like the E-One product line in general, and really like E-One aerials, with one notable exception...their 95' mid-mount.

    Seen 'em, not impressed, don't like the placement of the aerial on the chassis, not as conducive to low level ops as the other mid mounts, and the biggest advantage of a mid mount is the ability to get down to ground level and blast water right onto the first floor.
    ....

    How so? Is platform on a typcial MM higher above ground level than on a typcial rear mount?

    Midmount platform is lower than similar aerial on rearmount? MM certainly can't get down low to rear of the chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    How so? Is platform on a typcial MM higher above ground level than on a typcial rear mount?

    Midmount platform is lower than similar aerial on rearmount? MM certainly can't get down low to rear of the chassis.
    I think the biggest advantage the MM has in this case is the 5 sections shortening the length of the aerial making sidewalk ops much easier. The further below 0 degrees the base section can go the lower you can be over a broader range. Also the turntables tend to be lower to the ground, so overall travel height is reduced.

    I looked at the Crimson MM in Springfield and was pretty impressed. The biggest concern I've heard with them is dealer and factory service after the sale. But the truck looked like a well thought out aerial with many "best designs" used. Notably the bucket is very functionally built as opposed to square front buckets.

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    E-Ones mid mount platform is a 3 section unit. It's huge!

    Waltham FD had one.
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    I have worked with e-one for 20 yrs. In the early years the commercial truck we had were great, today the custom trucks SUCK. Yes with 20yrs, I can say that. Something I noticed on our 75ft we bought when it was new and you shut the cab doors, it sounded like a travel trailer, unlike some of the others like they were made of something. Electric problems out the behind. Last year we bought Pierce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deputyhunter View Post
    i like the E-One product line in general, and really like E-One aerials, with one notable exception...their 95' mid-mount.
    This is exactly my sentiment on E-One's. We looked at many E-One MM's when speccing ours and despite the great salesman we had working with us, the product was not where it should have been. The Chief and I specifically went to Waltham to see theirs and discuss with the troops the multitude of issues they had. One cannot find fault with the jacking system though, which by far is still the best on the market. Why hasn't anyone else copied that yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDjsay View Post
    Contact Perth Amboy, NJ......ask them how they have liked theirs.

    http://www.ci.perthamboy.nj.us/html/...epartment.html
    We run mutual aid for the Perth Amboy FD, when they need a tower ladder at a major fire scene, the only problem that I have heard from there guys is that the E-One 95' MM can not make turns on some of there smaller,narrow, streets in town with the truck at 48 feet long. I don't know of any dealer or service problems that they may have !!
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    The E-One MM is 4 sections, almost all of the others are 5 sections.

    The extra section makes it so much more accessible for low level ops off the side of the rig.

    Side ops are the MM's strong point, and the extra section means the bucket can't drop to the ground as close to the body as possible, completely altering the dynamic of how you use the aerial. The further out you need to drop the bucket to the ground, the more clearance you need around the rig, the more space is needed around that, and it takes longer to drop down and dump people out and pick-up new folks.

    small concerns except when you have a major fire, which is when you are actually using the aerial, and then they can be big concerns.

    On the ones I'VE seen, the turntable on the E-One SEEMS to be mounted higher, also changing the entire dynamic of low level access. Every few inches higher at the turntable is a couple of feet difference further out.

    I can't even comment on the electronics, all the new rigs have issues with that. Nothing like an old Baker, grab a handful of outrigger levers and push down till they bottom out and lift up the boom power and go to work.

    However, if all you are doing is raising the ladder out of the bed and bringing it straight up 95' and pouring water down 95', then all of the above issues will not affect you and the piece is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STATION2 View Post
    the Pierce aerials in our area have far more problems than the E-One aerials it seems.

    Same thing here
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