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    Thumbs up The Mexican Navy And A Submarine

    Mexican navy captures sub carrying suspected cocaine

    Reuters Published: Friday, July 18, 2008

    MEXICO CITY -- Mexican troops seized a small submarine smuggling drugs in the Pacific Ocean yesterday the military said.

    A navy plane spotted the craft about 225 kilometres south of the tourist resort of Huatulco, setting off a three-hour chase, Rear Admiral Hector Mucharraz told Reuters.

    The green-coloured submarine, carrying what was believed to be cocaine, was about 10 metres long and appeared to be a makeshift or modified vessel.

    "The submarine travelled almost at the surface of the sea and when it came up we took advantage," said Capt. Benjamin Mar, a navy spokesman. Special forces troops swooped on the submarine from a helicopter and subdued the crew of four, he said.

    The Mexican government is increasingly using the military to fight drug smugglers who move South American cocaine through Mexico and into the United States.

    © Times Colonist (Victoria) 2008


    Umm... I didnt know they had a navy, but well done in any case.


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    I didn't know Libya had a Navy,until their CNO sent the Sixth Fleet a letter saying that if we didn't leave their waters post haste they'd do this,they'd do that to us and went on down a whole list of all kinds of things I'd never heard of.
    Then he signs it"Respectfully,......."
    We had that posed on the P.O.D. board until we returned to CONUS at cruise's end.
    As you said about the Mexican Navy,"Third Hoist! Bravo Zulu,Expedite!".
    Finding an electrically propelled sub that doesn't want to be found is NOT easy.

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    Doug, didn't you send a reply via Harpoon?

    Malahat, they've got half a dozen or so frigates that had decent ASW capability when they served in the US Navy. Don't know how well they've been maintained.

    This doesn't sound like it was a true submarine, rather a semi-submersible like the revolutionary war era Turtle or confederate David boats.

    Either way, the capture was nice but a Mk.46* would have been better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840 View Post
    Doug, didn't you send a reply via Harpoon?

    Malahat, they've got half a dozen or so frigates that had decent ASW capability when they served in the US Navy. Don't know how well they've been maintained.

    This doesn't sound like it was a true submarine, rather a semi-submersible like the revolutionary war era Turtle or confederate David boats.

    Either way, the capture was nice but a Mk.46* would have been better.
    Actually a "48" would have been way kuuller, but also a sad waste of money on a rig as per the description. I agree with you on the 'Turtle' thought. Besides, using an armed boarding team would have been more fun, but for some reason I am getting an image of the Roman Centurians doing the raid of the old mans house in Life of Brian, when everyone tries to hide in baskets etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840 View Post
    Doug, didn't you send a reply via Harpoon?

    Either way, the capture was nice but a Mk.46* would have been better.
    Wasn't my destroyer but USS Richmond K Turner(CG #?) that lobbed one at them in early March IIRC. I was the new under instruction helmsman/lookout/messenger of the watch when we started hearing their challenges,requests for "Weapons Free"authority and then the "Battery away!" call when they launched their Harpoon.Those things do not miss and as they say in the Army,"You-do NOT-want to-be-on-the-ra-ceiving-end-of-this-weapon."
    The ENTIRE Saratoga Battlegroup was at GQ when that started.If there was going to be a fight,the boss sailor would have rather shot first as opposed to shooting after the other guy did.
    They were also homeported in Charleston SC and returned when we did along with a Garcia class frigate on 16 April 1986.It's been long enough I have to look up who we were running with at the time when I used to be able to think of it immediately.
    Mk 46s are airdropped aren't they?Either that or a 48 would still be a heavy trip for such a small target.No evidence for the intell squirrels or those that wring their hands when a criminal gets shot by a cop.
    We didn't "need" boarding parties when I was in the Nav.Unlike our British brethren,we didn't go for laying "alongside yon Spanish galleon,heave a few broadsides ag'in her timbers,swing over on these here lanyards and cut them to ribbons and split the booty."("It's tacky,tacky and I don't want to do it.")
    We had our Security Alert Teams and Backup Alert Forces with M14s,shotguns, .45s and a couple M60s and if they couldn't handle it,the call on the 1MC was "Away the Augmentation Force,Away!".
    That meant all hands were to grab whatever they could find to use as a weapon and join in like a bunch of Vikings trying to win the Super Bowl.
    I've seen guys grab chain stanchions,others grabbing the 4' fog nozzle from the nearest fire station and you did NOT want to strap on one of the MS guys who'd grabbed all the sharp knives he could find in the galley.He could throw them better than Ed Ames with a tomahawk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
    Actually a "48" would have been way kuuller, but also a sad waste of money on a rig as per the description. I agree with you on the 'Turtle' thought. Besides, using an armed boarding team would have been more fun, but for some reason I am getting an image of the Roman Centurians doing the raid of the old mans house in Life of Brian, when everyone tries to hide in baskets etc.
    I picture the a SF guy repelling off a helo and plugging the sub's snorkel with his thumb and wait until they come up gasping for air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    I picture the a SF guy repelling off a helo and plugging the sub's snorkel with his thumb and wait until they come up gasping for air.
    I wouldn't use my thumb but another external appendage.That or eat a double company sized helping of beans,mushrooms and broccoli before holding myself over the air intake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    I wouldn't use my thumb but another external appendage.That or eat a double company sized helping of beans,mushrooms and broccoli before holding myself over the air intake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    Wasn't my destroyer but USS Richmond K Turner(CG #?) that lobbed one at them in early March IIRC. I was the new under instruction helmsman/lookout/messenger of the watch when we started hearing their challenges,requests for "Weapons Free"authority and then the "Battery away!" call when they launched their Harpoon.Those things do not miss and as they say in the Army,"You-do NOT-want to-be-on-the-ra-ceiving-end-of-this-weapon."
    The ENTIRE Saratoga Battlegroup was at GQ when that started.If there was going to be a fight,the boss sailor would have rather shot first as opposed to shooting after the other guy did.
    They were also homeported in Charleston SC and returned when we did along with a Garcia class frigate on 16 April 1986.It's been long enough I have to look up who we were running with at the time when I used to be able to think of it immediately.
    Mk 46s are airdropped aren't they?Either that or a 48 would still be a heavy trip for such a small target.No evidence for the intell squirrels or those that wring their hands when a criminal gets shot by a cop.
    Mk. 46s are lightweight ASW (anti-sub) torpedos. They're air dropped, launched from deck mounted tubes, and also serve as the business end of the ASROC system. The Mk.48 is a heavyweight wire-guided torpedo launched exclusively from submarine tubes. It will blow the crap out of cruisers, so overkill would be an understatement.

    For that matter, a 46 would have done pretty much the same thing to this boat....

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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840 View Post
    Mk. 46s are lightweight ASW (anti-sub) torpedos. They're air dropped, launched from deck mounted tubes, and also serve as the business end of the ASROC system. The Mk.48 is a heavyweight wire-guided torpedo launched exclusively from submarine tubes. It will blow the crap out of cruisers, so overkill would be an understatement.

    For that matter, a 46 would have done pretty much the same thing to this boat....
    From what I can tell a Mk1 Rock would have been overkill..
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