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    Why Democrats don't want to lower gas prices
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    WASHINGTON A Democratic senator on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee inadvertently explained why her colleagues have no intention of ending the moratorium on offshore oil drilling or increasing the areas open for exploration and production no matter how popular the idea might be with gas prices soaring.

    In an interview with Bloomberg TV's "Money and Politics" last night, Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., explained Democrats don't want to increase supplies of oil and gasoline because they want to wean Americans off of petroleum products.

    Asked point-blank if Democrats in the Senate would consider how increasing the supply of oil would lower the prices that are pinching U.S. consumers, Cantwell replied: "Oh, we definitely want to move beyond petroleum. And so there will be a supply side offered by the Democrats and it will include everything from battery technology to mak ing sure that we have good home domestic supply, and looking, as I said about moving faster on those kind of things like wind and solar that can help us with our high cost of natural gas."

    In other words, no.

    The point was underlined by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, who said Democrats are not even permitting debate on legislation and amendments designed to increase the supply of oil and gasoline to U.S. consumers.

    "Today, the appropriations markup that was going to include amendments that would open up the outer continental shelf and maybe even shale in Colorado and Utah was canceled," she told the same Bloomberg interviewer. "It wasn't postponed, it was canceled. So that indicates to me that the majority is not going to try to have an open debate, but I hope I'm wrong. If they have an open debate, and we're allowed to have amendments, and we have a balanced plan that includes production in all the sectors, then I believe we can meet this problem in a bipartisan way, and that's what we should be doing for America."
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    Democrats want to run the economy, rather than allowing it to run itself.

    They've lost any idea of what capitalism means.
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    In that same spirit I saw this

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/art...cle/198/12804/

    I've read a lot of incredible stories today. Here's one from the DNC host committee in Denver, tanking up at city gas pumps to avoid paying the $0.40 a gallon in combined Federal and State gas taxes. Let me repeat that. The DNC would like to save money for their convention and so they have decided that they're going to buy it from the State gas pumps. You know where the police officers and State troopers and everybody else, you know, the snow removal trucks, where they gas up. The DNC has struck a deal that they can gas their cars up during the convention and they've already started this, to avoid the $0.40 a gallon gas tax. From the same people who said the gas tax won't make any difference, the gas tax means nothing.
    Also a neat little graph there that shows how gas prices have bee non the increase ever since the Democrats took control of the congress. In the two years since they took control gas prices have doubled.

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    Whoaaa.

    I thought Bush was going to "jawbone" the Saudis into opening up the spigots to keep prices down.

    Didn't that happen?

    This administration has gone to great lengths to keep its energy policy a secret. Cheney ignored a subpoena from the GAO for the notes to the Energy Task Force he convened citing "executive privilege." Two of the participants were ultimately convicted of felonies. One was lucky enough to die before sentencing the other is serving 25 years.

    For the GOP to blame Dems at this point in time is like shooting your parents and then throwing yourself on the mercy of the court because you're an orphan.

    Gas prices have spiked for any number of reasons. Supply and demand only being one of them.
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    You Heard It Folks! The Democratic Party Doesn't Want To Lower Gas Prices!!!
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    It's not that the Dem's don't want to lower gas prices.

    It's that the Dem's want to find a way to keep us from having to rely on wether or not some Middle Eastern country wants to sell us some oil.

    Democrats want to run the economy, rather than allowing it to run itself.

    They've lost any idea of what capitalism means.
    What is Capitalism? The main force of capitalism is Supply vs. Demand. Supply of oil is low and Demand of oil is high, so that means that gas prices are high. If you want to be a stickler about that whole Capitalism thing, then the Market is working exactly as it is supposed to.

    The Republicans want to lift the ban on offshore drilling. So that means that the Government wants to force an increase in Supply while Demand stays the same, and therefore drive the price of oil down. Thats not Capitalism, thats the government manipulating prices.

    The Democrats want to move away from oil and explore more alternative fuel sources. They want to use the Government to decrease Demand while Supply stays the same. Thats once again not Capitalism, it is the government manipulating prices.

    Both parties want to mess with the free-market system that is setting the price of gas at $4+ a gallon, the reps want to attack the supply site, and the dems want to attack the demand site. Don't talk about the Dems messing with Capitalism, because both parties are attempting to influence the price of gas instead of letting the market set the price of gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    It's not that the Dem's don't want to lower gas prices.

    It's that the Dem's want to find a way to keep us from having to rely on wether or not some Middle Eastern country wants to sell us some oil.



    What is Capitalism? The main force of capitalism is Supply vs. Demand. Supply of oil is low and Demand of oil is high, so that means that gas prices are high. If you want to be a stickler about that whole Capitalism thing, then the Market is working exactly as it is supposed to.

    The Republicans want to lift the ban on offshore drilling. So that means that the Government wants to force an increase in Supply while Demand stays the same, and therefore drive the price of oil down. Thats not Capitalism, thats the government manipulating prices.

    The Democrats want to move away from oil and explore more alternative fuel sources. They want to use the Government to decrease Demand while Supply stays the same. Thats once again not Capitalism, it is the government manipulating prices.

    Both parties want to mess with the free-market system that is setting the price of gas at $4+ a gallon, the reps want to attack the supply site, and the dems want to attack the demand site. Don't talk about the Dems messing with Capitalism, because both parties are attempting to influence the price of gas instead of letting the market set the price of gas.

    Why let facts get in the way of some party brain washed arguement.

    Besides, it has some to do with the supply and demand, but you can produce 5+ trillion dollars of oil a day if you want. It won't drop prices much.

    Oil has to be traded against the US dollar. The US dollar has been devalued 40% or more in some places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Whoaaa.

    I thought Bush was going to "jawbone" the Saudis into opening up the spigots to keep prices down.

    Didn't that happen?

    This administration has gone to great lengths to keep its energy policy a secret. Cheney ignored a subpoena from the GAO for the notes to the Energy Task Force he convened citing "executive privilege." Two of the participants were ultimately convicted of felonies. One was lucky enough to die before sentencing the other is serving 25 years.

    For the GOP to blame Dems at this point in time is like shooting your parents and then throwing yourself on the mercy of the court because you're an orphan.

    Gas prices have spiked for any number of reasons. Supply and demand only being one of them.
    SO once again you prove that the Democrats can do nothing wrong. All you ever do is turn ANY criticism of Democrats onto Republicans.

    You never address the issue. And I thought Liberals were supposed to be "open minded."


    Politicians - regardless of party - want NOTHING to do with solving any political issue. Ever. If it is solved then they have nothing to run on and blather on about.

    So the Republicans may have screwed the pooch, but your almighty Democrats-can-do-no-wrong attitude is ridiculous. Now is the time that these hypocritical blowhards can step up to the plate and do something right. Instead, you will allow them to carry on the EXACT SAME ENERGY POLICIES. If it weren't your normal tactic, it would be unbelievable.

    Once again, the Democrats can never do anything wrong.
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    I must also ask our esteemed Democratic defender, where is the Democrats' all encompassing energy policy? They have decried the Right (rightfullly so) for not having an "energy policy" FOR YEARS, but have been in "control" for 7+ months now and have done jack shyte to present one of their own.

    If they had any balls - and they don't - they would repeal the farm bill that imposed the sham that is corn-based ethanol on the average shmoe which has increased gas prices tremendously instead of pushing fortha nonsense bill that would tax "windfall profits" and would actually improve in environment at the same time.

    Alas, I wait for you to not answer the question - as you rarely if ever do (as evidenced by this thread and many others) - and turn it around with personal insults or blaming the Republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    SO once again you prove that the Democrats can do nothing wrong. All you ever do is turn ANY criticism of Democrats onto Republicans.
    Look at the title of this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    You never address the issue. And I thought Liberals were supposed to be "open minded."
    I only pointed out the fallacy of the belief that Dems are responsible for gas prices. You guys want it both ways. When Dems have blamed Bush for high gas prices you all chime in the President has no control over gas prices. But now the Dems are to blame for high gas prices. You can't have it both ways.

    Although I'm surprised anyone would believe there would be any scrutiny of oil companies when the Pres and VP have direct ties to the industry.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    So the Republicans may have screwed the pooch, but your almighty Democrats-can-do-no-wrong attitude is ridiculous. Now is the time that these hypocritical blowhards can step up to the plate and do something right. Instead, you will allow them to carry on the EXACT SAME ENERGY POLICIES. If it weren't your normal tactic, it would be unbelievable.
    I've never said that. I just point out the obvious that Bush's administration can best be described as a train wreck.

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    Once again, the Democrats can never do anything wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    I must also ask our esteemed Democratic defender, where is the Democrats' all encompassing energy policy? They have decried the Right (rightfullly so) for not having an "energy policy" FOR YEARS, but have been in "control" for 7+ months now and have done jack shyte to present one of their own.
    Dems have put forth pursuing renewable energy for some time. You must have missed it.
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    They've lost any idea of what capitalism means.
    Are you trying to say the oil racket isn't fixed? That we aren't being scammed? That oil companies are not racking up huge profits at the expense of ordinary Americans? That deregulation worked? What a riot!

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    Gas prices are high for a number of reasons, none of them surprising:
    Supply & Demand
    Devalued US Dollar
    Speculative pricing
    OPEC and Oil Co's bending us over the barrel

    Personally I don't think either side has a good plan for the short-term, though they keep selling theirs as though it is.

    The Republican plan to lift the ban on offshore/ANWR won't help the increase the supply of oil for years.. some say at least a decade. In addition there are areas known to have domestic oil already open to them that they aren't taking advantage of. My belief, FWIW, is that the Oil Co's are pushing this agenda to protect their long-term viability.. its another area they could drill if they wanted to.. they could care less about the American consumer and are going to milk this situation for everything they can

    On the other hand, the Democratic plan doesn't fair much better. While I'm all for alternative energy and getting away from Oil, this takes R&D, Money, time, and consumer and infrastructure changes. Oil is too embedded for an alternative technology to jump right in, even if it were available today.

    In other words, both plan is a political stunt aimed solely at taking advantage of the current situation to endear the party to the public.
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    Okay so the Dems want us to move beyond oil based energy sources.I'm all for that but where are the substitutes?It costs an arm and a leg to install windmills,solar power and personal fusion reactors only exist in Keanu Reeves and Rachel Weicz's happy minds.
    Until that technology matures to the point where someone isn't offering government handouts to the poor so they can afford it,we have to have SOMETHING to power our motor vehicles which carry us to and from work and transport the goods that are produced while we are on the clock.
    If Sen. Cantwell(how ironic SHE got to speak if she doesn't want more oil wells)gets her wish and all oil production ceases immediately,what will take up the slack.
    Other related topic:Oil prices are high because oil production is reduced for whatever reason.Oil companies are making huge profits because of this.
    Who is stopping us from getting lower prices at the pump and therefore "in the pockets of Big Oil"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Look at the title of this thread.
    I have. Your point being what? You continue to avoid answering the question. Not that I am surprised.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I only pointed out the fallacy of the belief that Dems are responsible for gas prices. You guys want it both ways. When Dems have blamed Bush for high gas prices you all chime in the President has no control over gas prices. But now the Dems are to blame for high gas prices. You can't have it both ways.
    It is both their faults. Yet you only get fired up when the Right does something wrong or does nothing. The Dems are abovve reproach in your posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Although I'm surprised anyone would believe there would be any scrutiny of oil companies when the Pres and VP have direct ties to the industry.
    I am not. But I don't think this notiont of taxing "windfall profits" is going to fly either. Gas will cost more, because no business will cut into its bottom line.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I've never said that. I just point out the obvious that Bush's administration can best be described as a train wreck.
    And what have the Democrats done? The Republicans have screwed it up. But the Democrats are just as culpable. Your own (useless) senator Diane Feinstein has flat out refused to open up shelf drilling.

    Yes it is years off, but 10 years ago the Dems were screaming the same crap and refused to open up the shelf drilling. I hate oil, but all I hear around here, in Massachusetts....aka California East, is the democrats and liberals (roughly 70+% of the population fighting any and all notions of cleaner energy when proposed by anyone. It is sheer and utter hypocracy. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry both oppose Cape Wind which are wind turbines proposed in Cape Cod Sound that will decrease energy use of fossil fuels by replacing it with a continual energy source - the ocean's wind. Pretty freaking stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You're coming around.
    No I am not. And you are full of shyte for trying to play stupid - as you usually do.

    The Left is just as morally and ethically corrupt as the Right. You just won't admit it. The LEft thinks Charles Shumer, Ted Kennedy, Diane Feinstein, Charles Rengel, Jesse Jackson, and Barack Obama are the best things going. They are as corrupt as Ted Stevens, George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Randall Cunningham.

    The whole lot of them are useless and you are no better for swallowing their tripe lock, stock, and barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Dems have put forth pursuing renewable energy for some time. You must have missed it.
    Didn't miss it. They just spout off words.

    Putting forth means doing something, not saying something. Your blind faith and allegiance to the Democratic Party is as ridiculous as those whose blind faith to the Republican party that you chastise is.

    You just don't see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Are you trying to say the oil racket isn't fixed? That we aren't being scammed? That oil companies are not racking up huge profits at the expense of ordinary Americans? That deregulation worked? What a riot!
    Deregulation of any industry does not work. Look at cable TV. Costs a bloody fortune. Cable companies fight "a-la cart" pricing like mad - and the pols let it happen.

    Airline deregulation did jack shyte. Neither did telephone deegulation. It is a ruse and the sheeple fall for it every time. And the politicians on both sides of the aisle get richer off of our backs.

    Oil companies will make a profit - but I have to ask the question every time I hear this argument. How much is too much profit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Didn't miss it. They just spout off words.

    Putting forth means doing something, not saying something. Your blind faith and allegiance to the Democratic Party is as ridiculous as those whose blind faith to the Republican party that you chastise is.

    You just don't see it.
    I'll be the first to one to admit that Dems are equally responsible for droppoing the ball on energy policy.

    To suggest the status quo of drilling for oil in places like ANWR is the fix to our energy issues is equally naive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    I am not. But I don't think this notiont of taxing "windfall profits" is going to fly either. Gas will cost more, because no business will cut into its bottom line.
    Oil companies are acutely aware that consumers are willing to spend a certain amount on gas before they begin to significantly reduce consumption. They manipulate this with the price binge, slight decrease, binge routine that I'm certain we've all seen - but it takes time to increase that spending limit. Placing windfall profits on oil companies will hardly "simply" increase prices commensurate, as these companies know that the retail price can't raise much more before people become extremely reactionary about it.

    And what have the Democrats done? The Republicans have screwed it up. But the Democrats are just as culpable. Your own (useless) senator Diane Feinstein has flat out refused to open up shelf drilling.
    That's why I voted for her. A pittance of oil isn't worth the long-term cost of this proposal. Giving out more oil doesn't ever seem to benefit us anyways... just a bunch of corporate schmucks get richer.

    The Left is just as morally and ethically corrupt as the Right. You just won't admit it. The LEft thinks Charles Shumer, Ted Kennedy, Diane Feinstein, Charles Rengel, Jesse Jackson, and Barack Obama are the best things going. They are as corrupt as Ted Stevens, George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Randall Cunningham.
    I'm an ardent supporter of Senator Feinstein... here support of our brother firefighters in their pursuit of a living wage and respectable working conditions deserves our support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    For the GOP to blame Dems at this point in time is like shooting your parents and then throwing yourself on the mercy of the court because you're an orphan.
    Political shenanigans and domestic assassinations have nothing to do with each other.
    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    How much is too much profit?
    There is no numerical answer to that question. The difference between the price that a consumer is willing to pay for a good/service, and the cost to produce that good/service is good start.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    The Republicans want to lift the ban on offshore drilling. So that means that the Government wants to force an increase in Supply while Demand stays the same, and therefore drive the price of oil down. Thats not Capitalism, thats the government manipulating prices.

    You're not even close to being right. The Republicans are not trying to force anyone to drill. They're trying to remove restrictions to give companies the option to choose to drill. Forcing an increase of Supply would be to subsidize the drilling operations.
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    To suggest the status quo of drilling for oil in places like ANWR is the fix to our energy issues is equally naive.
    Do you think drilling in ANWR will help or hurt? There is no single solution, but to transfer billions of dollars from our country's economy to those that supply oil, while ignoring a source of oil in our own country is lunacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Do you think drilling in ANWR will help or hurt? There is no single solution, but to transfer billions of dollars from our country's economy to those that supply oil, while ignoring a source of oil in our own country is lunacy.
    I've stated several times I have no problem with drilling in ANWR. I have a problem with companies experiencing record profits wanting to be subsidized or indemnified via the taxpayers. Which is precisely what the oil companies are demanding before they drill. The oil companies (like many others) love to privatize profits and socialize losses. I could be wrong but that isn't the way a so called "free market" system operates.

    Additionally as it relates to ANWR (we don't control what happens in Russia and elsewhere), it would be a decade before any amount of oil flows out of the region. What we lack is any sort of plan to get us to that point, and knowing that some increase in oil will arrive ten years hence doesn't assist pricing in the here and now, nor does it abate the growing demand in India and China.

    Additionally, ten years is the guideline before any oil flows to refineries. It would be an additional five to seven years after that before output approaches maximum; there is a ramp-up period to consider. Saying "yes" today to ANWR would provide us with the level of oil production mentioned in the article by 2023 or so.

    What is the plan to get us to there? The current administration (and its predecessors dating back to Nixon) hasn't provided one.

    The only place I can think of that has been denied for drilling in the last decade has been off the coast of Florida when that enviro wacko Jeb Bush was Governor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I'll be the first to one to admit that Dems are equally responsible for droppoing the ball on energy policy.

    To suggest the status quo of drilling for oil in places like ANWR is the fix to our energy issues is equally naive.
    It is PART OF a plan. Not the entirety of it. But for it to be totally ignored is equally stupid.


    And imagine that. People in Hell just got ice water - you actually hold a Democrat accountable for something.
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    Oil companies are acutely aware that consumers are willing to spend a certain amount on gas before they begin to significantly reduce consumption. They manipulate this with the price binge, slight decrease, binge routine that I'm certain we've all seen - but it takes time to increase that spending limit. Placing windfall profits on oil companies will hardly "simply" increase prices commensurate, as these companies know that the retail price can't raise much more before people become extremely reactionary about it.
    Sure they can. They have already done it. People are already whining about the price of gasoline. It won't exactly get any better either since our entire world is derived from oil production. Gas, energy, power, shipping, trains, transport.......

    Placing a tax on the profits will be passed on to the consumer - as every increase that affects the price of any commodity does. Apparently you have not gone shopping recently. The price of food is going up, in part, due to increased production and transport costs - which are heavily driven by fuel. If the cost of any commodity goes up, a business - ANY BUSINESS - the bottom line (read PROFIT) will be maintained. If it si not, the shareholder will cry bloody murder (you being a shareholder.)

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    That's why I voted for her. A pittance of oil isn't worth the long-term cost of this proposal. Giving out more oil doesn't ever seem to benefit us anyways... just a bunch of corporate schmucks get richer.
    Ah yes. Another insult to capitalism. Better check your pension plan and 401(k) because all that oil wealth adn profitability goes into. You wouldn't want to be labeled a hypocrate would you? Better divest yourself of every single share of oil company stock - because you make money off of it.

    Feinsteins close mindedness (imagine that froma Liberal?) is going to cost our country in the long run. She espouses the effects of global warming and oil productivity but will do nothing - not a single thing - to reduce it. Oil produced in the US will decrease (somewhat) greenhouse gasses from shipping oil 12,000 miles by boat. But why we would we want to introduce facts into argument?

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    I'm an ardent supporter of Senator Feinstein... here support of our brother firefighters in their pursuit of a living wage and respectable working conditions deserves our support.
    Big fat hairy f@cking deal. So what? Because she supports firefighters? whoopty freaking do. I should bow down in her presence. My blowhard senators - Kennedy and Kerry - claim to support firefighters - does not mean that I will vote for them. They also support many other thinks that I am against. Total package deal. If you vote for someone based on 1 thing, then you prove the axiom about a stupid populace that politicians count on to keep themselves in office.

    She is a politician, she (or any other politician for that matter) only cares about you when it is an election year.
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    Big fat hairy f@cking deal. So what? Because she supports firefighters? whoopty freaking do.
    I also voted for her and Boxer. Their opponents repeatedly expressed their disdain for public servants as being both overpaid and underworked. Their agenda also entailed assaulting organized labor of all types (including FF and Police unions).

    Also. When my agency went bankrupt during the 90's, one of the first things the County did was seize the employee contributions to 457 plans. Boxer carried the legislation requiring the County to give the employee's money back to the employee. While the conservatives in the County were blabbering about the "free market" and how the employees deserved to be screwed because the county had mismanaged their funds.

    Given that as alternatives, DiFi and Boxer looked very good.
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    And the current state of the art means that Al Gore's home uses MORE energy from the grid rather than less than it did before he did the mods,we have to have areas of windmills almost as large as the small towns that they are intended to power to electrify those same towns,and electric cars can only go 70 miles before needing a 3 hour recharge.Wanna equip your department with those rigs,Chief?
    I'll wait till the technology matures a bit more,which it has had the time to do so in the last 30 YEARS of people telling us that we'd have better by now.
    If people had wanted to develop this stuff,they could have done so and sold it publicly.
    And why would people want to lower oil usage when there is nothing ready to take up the slack?Til it's ready we have to have something to power the internet,and all the trucks that brought what I bought.

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    Dems have put forth pursuing renewable energy for some time. You must have missed it.
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