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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    ROFLMAO!!!!!!! You are talking about the most corrupt group of individuals know to man (AKA Politicians). They have been literally caught in the men's room, the white house, and numerous other places with their pants down. They have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. They have come up with crazy pork barrel spending that is just stupid. They are constantly bought out by special interest and big business.

    If a demcrap says the sky is green the rethuglian will say it is orange. These idiots will take the opposite stand if it is the right thing to do.

    So NO!!!! Congressman are not reputable
    some are better than others. feingold warned us about the PATRIOT act because he actually read it and voted against it. but i agree they are full of ***** for the most part.


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    show me where it says they won't. if they are screening your child for genetic disorders and warehousing that info, they will have your child's dna. if they have your child's blood they have your child's dna. you wouldn't know if they took your child's dna because after a baby is born they run a bunch of tests on it out of your presence.
    Kucinich may not be a nut job, but you seem to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Kucinich may not be a nut job, but you seem to be.
    i've been called worse in my life. but, i'm not the only so-called nut job. the Citizens' Council on Health Care, (see http://www.cchconline.org/pdf/S_1858...mmaryFINAL.pdf) a non-profit, independent free-market health care policy organization that supports patient and doctor freedom, medical innovation, and the right to a confidential patient-doctor relationship, thinks along the same lines that i do about the act. you all can't consider that there may be people out there who have more insight on issues than you. you dismiss things as conspiracy theories because they don't fit your paradigm. i'm not an expert but the Citizens' Council on Health Care's job is to take on issues like these, so i believe they are more informed than you and chiefkn. the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons have stated that genetic testing could be used for purposes found immoral in the Hippocratic medical tradition, but i guess they're nut jobs too.

    my oldest is type 1 diabetic and i'm not with this act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsin925 View Post
    show me where it says they won't. if they are screening your child for genetic disorders and warehousing that info, they will have your child's dna. if they have your child's blood they have your child's dna. you wouldn't know if they took your child's dna because after a baby is born they run a bunch of tests on it out of your presence.
    They can only screen your child with your permission. This law supports RESEARCH and it only supports this RESEARCH at certain centers. I beg you to please read the law very slowly so that you fully understand it.

    You have to agree to the screening, that is why the largest part of this law is to EDUCATE people on the value of testing. Again, READ the law.

    You are claiming things as fact that are NOT written in the law. You have let some alarmists influence you beyond the point of reasoning. When I ask you to prove your point, you ask me to then prove a negative (show you where it says they wont...) give me a break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    They can only screen your child with your permission. This law supports RESEARCH and it only supports this RESEARCH at certain centers. I beg you to please read the law very slowly so that you fully understand it.

    You have to agree to the screening, that is why the largest part of this law is to EDUCATE people on the value of testing. Again, READ the law.

    You are claiming things as fact that are NOT written in the law. You have let some alarmists influence you beyond the point of reasoning. When I ask you to prove your point, you ask me to then prove a negative (show you where it says they wont...) give me a break.
    i've read the law and nowhere does it say that they need the parents' permission. the law (like most) is full of vague wording like newborn screening which is really genetic testing. the Citizens' Council on Health Care are not alarmists. their goals stated on their website are:

    -Individual patient and practitioner freedom in health care decision-making
    -Protection of patient autonomy and dignity through medical record privacy and strong patient consent provisions
    -Reduced dependency on government health care programs
    -Free and open health care market, including Medical Savings Accounts, and non-managed care health insurance options.
    -Market competition at the patient and consumer level.
    -Equal tax treatment for purchase of health care insurance
    -Privately-owned insurance independent from employment
    -Life-long insurance policies.
    -A charitable safety net strengthened through tax incentives
    -Elimination of taxes on health care services.

    see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBu6Tpvq_9w and watch Twila Brase, president of Citizens' Council on Health Care talk about DNA Warehouse and Ownership. but i guess you'll dismiss her as a nut job alarmist.
    also watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDw3z...eature=related, http://video.aol.com/video-detail/th...pt2/2472967511, http://video.aol.com/video-detail/th...pt3/2854844384
    and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mD5T...eature=related.

    like i said before, there are people who are more informed about what is going on in their specific field than you. i wouldn't argue with you about fire science, at least keep an open mind when listening to someone else talk about the field they're in. please watch the links and let me know what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    NY, CA, and DE all have things that make their numbers skewed. De has a large number of corporations that are incorporated there simply because it is easy to do and less of a burden. NY has wall street and the financial district. CA has Hollywood. CA has the largest population and NY is 3rd in population. Texas is second. Looking at it on a per capita basis is more insightful and tells more of the story.
    Maybe it is in your little world. The real world is different. CA is one of the top ten economies in the world based upon its GSP. DE is a fly speck by comparison. Believe what you want, but you're alone in believing that DE is a more significant force in the US economy than CA. And btw. The most significant economic engine in CA is tourism and agriculture.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    And yes, government is a burden on business as well as individuals. 43% of my pay check comes right off the top for Federal, State, and SSI taxes. I then get taxed again on the remainder with an 8.25% sales tax, land taxes, and various other hidden taxes and fees (like the 70 cents a gallon at the pump). Unfortunately, our government has learned how to steal from the people.
    Can you point me to a nation where the rate of taxation is lower and the quality of living is higher. If it has as lax an emigration policy as the US I'll pack my bags. I've traveled abroad to several nations where taxes are much lower than they are here in the US. I can assure you wouldn't want to live in any of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The economy would be far better if that money stayed in the private sector.
    Hypothetical. Who knows. There are numerous examples of the private sector mismanaging its fiscal resources. They're called bankruptcies.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    And yes big business lines up for it's cut of the pie ( farm subsidies make me want to puke). But on the other side are the special interest groups, getting an equal cut of the pie. A great example of this is right here in NY state. We have what is known as the Adirondack Park. It is a 6 million acre park in which the state owns half the land. They have done this because the environmentalist want to preserve this area as forever wild. Keep in mind that the number of people who visit the park in it's forever wild areas is less than 0.1% of the population. Yet we pay heavily for this. I say put the money in the hands of the people. Then if the environmentalism want this "pristine" land they can afford it themselves and buy it. My guess is that only a few would feel strongly enough to actually put up.
    Nothing stopping you from running for office with that as your platform.

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    By taxing me so heavily they are slowly eroding my personal freedom and forcing me to support things I don't want to support. And this is true for every American.
    You posit a reality in which money belongs to the people who earn it. A fair concept. Likewise, however, the people’s government belongs to them, and they to it. Part of the social compact of belonging to a civil society is assisting in the upkeep of that society. You call that theft by taxation; I take a less nihilistic attitude toward it: it’s the price of being part of this society.

    Now, we can debate all we want about the proper role and extent of that government that we’ve established among ourselves, but our essential civic obligation to fund whatever we collectively deem a proper role for government is, or ought to be, unquestioned. It is, indeed, a form of patriotism. There’s a reason our system has such a low rate of tax delinquency compared to most of the rest of the world, and it’s not some inherent moral superiority. It’s a fundamental support and consent of the governed, which has been the unique hallmark of American society from its founding.
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    Lightbulb The Left is on the Run By Newt Gingrich

    August 5, 2008 - Vol. 3, No. 32

    The Left is on the Run By Newt Gingrich

    We have the left rattled and on the run. For proof, consider three developments from late last week.

    The House Republicans staged a protest in the House Chamber, demanding that Nancy Pelosi call the House back into session in order to vote on The American Energy Act, an "all of the above" energy strategy that includes more drilling, funding for scientific breakthroughs, as well as common-sense conservation efforts.

    Three signs we are winning the argument on energy:
    First, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her anti-energy allies in the House skipped town without even scheduling a vote on The American Energy Act - the kind of common sense, "all of the above" energy strategy Americans favor.

    Then MoveOn.org sent a desperate email to their supporters asking for money to air an ad to slow the momentum of the movement for America to develop more American energy now.

    And Senator Obama, who until late last week opposed offshore drilling, said he would now favor offshore drilling as part of a comprehensive energy strategy for America.

    To block a vote on energy, Nancy Pelosi tried cutting the power in the House
    Pro-energy House Republicans are doing just that this week, refusing to let Nancy Pelosi and her anti-energy allies get away with ducking the energy issue.

    On Friday morning, Nancy Pelosi suddenly and without warning, adjourned the House of Representatives. She knew how badly the anti-energy left was losing the argument over energy and knew she couldn't allow a full day of discussion about the American Energy Act to take place in front of the C-Span cameras and press. So she called the vote to adjourn, and when House Republicans refused to leave, Nancy Pelosi ordered the microphones and lights in the House be turned off.

    Think about this: In order to block a vote on energy for America, Nancy Pelosi tried to cut off power to the House of Representatives.

    But Boehner and pro-energy representatives remembered where power really comes from. However, Rep. John Boehner and many other pro-energy representatives have refused to allow Nancy Pelosi to duck the energy issue. They know that Congress derives its power from the American people. Speaker Pelosi can't order that power supply shut off.

    They're still in Washington this week, making speeches on the House floor to visitors and press, and live-blogging their efforts.

    Here's a flavor of the House Republicans historic uprising:

    "We are the light of the world, we are the leaders of the free world. But when we depend on foreign energy we cannot be as strong of a leader as we should and can be." - Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA)

    "You need to let your congressman know that he or she works for you, not the Speaker of the House." - Rep. Mark Steven Kirk (R-IL)

    "Here's a letter from the Gardner family in Texas. They can't afford to both go on vacation and send their son to Boy Scout camp. They can't afford it. If the Gardners can't, then neither should Pelosi and the Congress!" - Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX)

    "Common sense is not very common in Washington, D.C... Why aren't we using all the resources that we Americans can bring to the table?... We need to use our American ingenuity to solve these problems...We will get it done if there's a vote on this floor." - Rep. Rob Wittman (R-VA):

    And perhaps most importantly, House Minority Leader John Boehner yesterday promised to keep up this pressure throughout the month of August:

    "The only way we're ever going to bring her to heel and allow a vote is for us to continue to put pressure on her. And so it's 25 Members we had in Congress today, led by Tom Price and Mike Pence. It's Members all over the country doing their townhall meetings, doing their rotary clubs, they're all talking about it. And we're going to keep talking about it until we get our vote." - John Boehner, OH


    Finally, and most importantly, write your representative to let them know you want them back in session to pass an energy bill and to applaud Boehner's leadership. Call talk radio as well. Nancy Pelosi may have turned off the lights in the House, but that doesn't mean we can't turn on the heat in response.

    - MoveOn.org Admits the Obvious: The Pro Energy Coalition is Winning the Argument

    Nancy Pelosi is not the only member of the anti-energy left looking desperate.

    In an urgent email sent to their members last week, the far Left activist group wrote about the national debate over how to best lower gas and energy prices, "Here's the truth: Right now, progressives are losing this argument."

    They're right. We are winning and the Left is losing the argument over our country's energy future because Americans know that thirty years of their policies has led to the current mess.

    For decades, anti-energy, left-wing politicians have advocated higher prices and less energy. They were going to save the environment by punishing Americans into driving less and driving smaller cars. They favor a policy of no oil and gas exploration, no use of coal, and no development of nuclear power.

    The result has been that over the last three decades, America has relied more and more on foreign oil rather than American oil, and our nation's power grid has been stretched thin because litigation and regulation has made it so difficult to build new sources of electricity.

    The American people can see this, so they're rejecting the Left's philosophy of less energy and inconvenience in favor of a pro-investment, pro-creativity, pro-production, and pro-conservation energy coalition.

    MoveOn.org Fails Einstein's Test of Insanity
    You'd think this much would be obvious to the Left, but the email they sent to their supporters and the advertisement they want to run is filled with the same discredited arguments about American energy production that the American people have rejected over this summer.

    It claims not only that more American energy, including opening up additional areas to oil and natural gas development, would have no immediate effect on gas prices, but that even in the long term, more American oil and gas on the market is only a "gimmick."

    Someone should remind MoveOn.org that Einstein's definition of insanity was "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

    Not only does MoveOn.org still think that the Left's same, misguided energy scarcity policies are good for America, despite the obvious; they also think that the American people are going to continue to buy their arguments.

    That's just crazy, and you don't have to be a Nobel Prize winning physicist to know it.

    That's why we can be confident in our solutions and our answers to their faulty arguments. Check out our Facts Sheet at American Solutions for rebuttals to the anti-energy left's most common arguments.

    This summer, as you talk with your friends and neighbors about high gas prices, don't let the anti-energy left get away with using the same discredited arguments, and don't let them shirk the responsibility they bear for putting us in the energy crisis today.

    The Obama Opportunity: the President Should Call Congress Back Into Session
    Finally, in another sign that we are winning the argument over America's energy future, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has indicated he would support offshore drilling as part of a larger energy strategy.

    This is amazing progress considering it was just a few months ago that Senator Obama was not only opposed to more American oil production, he repeatedly voted to keep America ignorant of our own offshore energy resources.

    This is real progress. It's also a real opportunity.

    President Bush has the power to call the Congress back into session, but so far he's said he has no plans to do so. It's up to us to change his mind. There should be no confusion as to where Nancy Pelosi and her anti-energy allies on the left stand when it comes to a common sense energy strategy the American people want. You can call the White House at 202-456-1111 to encourage the President.

    In addition, we should call our Congressmen and ask them to call on the President to bring them back into session. And if your Congressman isn't one of those staying in Washington to protest Nancy Pelosi adjourning without passing an energy bill, make sure if you see him or her in your district to ask why they are on vacation instead of working to lower gas prices.

    Second, Senator McCain should challenge Senator Obama to work with him to create and pass an energy bill in the Senate before the election that includes opening up more areas to oil and natural gas development (including offshore and in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR)) as part of a larger, comprehensive energy policy that also includes conservation efforts, nuclear power (Obama has indicated he would support building more plants under the right conditions), and incentives for new technologies.

    Then, the question for Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will then be simple: with their party's nominee for President supporting more American oil production and the American people overwhelmingly supporting it as well, will they still oppose a common-sense energy policy that uses all of our American energy resources?

    Another Question for Nancy Pelosi, This Time on Immigration
    Finally, the news that the suspect of a brutal murder in San Francisco is a known illegal immigrant begs the question whether or not Nancy Pelosi will pass Einstein's insanity test with regard to her support of sanctuary city policies.

    Edwin Ramos had twice been convicted on felony charges as a juvenile, and his status as an illegal immigrant was known. Yet he was released from jail nearly three months before these recent slayings, protected from the country's immigration policies because of San Francisco's sanctuary policy.

    As I wrote last year when a known illegal immigrant shot four students, killing three, it is simply beyond belief that cities would knowingly shield felons and suspected felons from the country's immigration laws. Now, in San Francisco - Nancy Pelosi's district - the tragic results speak for themselves.

    This horrible story comes at the same time that the Center for Immigration Studies announced that increased enforcement on the US/Mexico border has decreased the number of illegal immigrants in the country by 1.3 million. Furthermore, their study concludes that the decline of the illegal population was at least seven times larger than the number of actual people removed by the government in the last ten months. This means that most of the decline is due to people here illegally leaving voluntarily as a result of the enforcement.

    The evidence is clear: enforcement works; sanctuary policies don't.

    Will Nancy Pelosi (not to mention the rest of the Left) finally back the enforcement of our country's laws or will they continue to cling to policies that don't work and expect a different result?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raughammer1 View Post
    August 5, 2008 - Vol. 3, No. 32

    The Left is on the Run By Newt Gingrich

    We have the left rattled and on the run. For proof, consider three developments from late last week.
    Doubtful this will equate to any GOP gains in 13 weeks.
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    Now, we can debate all we want about the proper role and extent of that government that we’ve established among ourselves, but our essential civic obligation to fund whatever we collectively deem a proper role for government is, or ought to be, unquestioned. It is, indeed, a form of patriotism. There’s a reason our system has such a low rate of tax delinquency compared to most of the rest of the world, and it’s not some inherent moral superiority. It’s a fundamental support and consent of the governed, which has been the unique hallmark of American society from its founding.
    what we "collectively" deem a proper role for government is, and always has been up for debate. which is good. the low rate of tax delinquency falls on the backs of the middle class. my pops worked for the irs and he would tell me that the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes. congress would always change the tax laws when the middle class would start to benefit from them. i guess at one point one could write off the interest one paid on credit cards, but when the middle class started obtaining credit cards that law flew off the books. the middle class (in my opinion) has a greater sense of dignity, morality and fidelity than the rich. maybe that's bad, maybe that's good. i don't know. the privatization of things is bad though. blackwater is making big bucks while our troops get shot up for chump change. and, blackwater isn't accountable to anyone. at least things in the public sector are accountable to the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Doubtful this will equate to any GOP gains in 13 weeks.
    i agree. obama has this thing licked. i don't like either candidate, but the gop has to give up the ghost on this election. i sometimes think mccain was nominated because he doesn't have a chance to win, kinda like kerry in '04. oh well, nothing will change with obama in office. but i have to say he has billy clint beat on charisma. that cat can give a speech, even if he isn't saying much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsin925 View Post
    like i said before, there are people who are more informed about what is going on in their specific field than you. i wouldn't argue with you about fire science, at least keep an open mind when listening to someone else talk about the field they're in. please watch the links and let me know what you think.
    Actually, I'm a Registered Nurse and work as an executive in healthcare. So, I do understand patient rights and how consents are obtained.

    I don't know this organization, and while they have some benign information about their "goals", I believe they are misrepresenting the law to further their political agenda.

    Once again, read the law, it's all right there in black and white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Doubtful this will equate to any GOP gains in 13 weeks.
    Actually, I've heard the latest polls are a statistical dead heat.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...oll/index.html

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/0...idential-race/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I love your cute little sayings... "rethuglicans"... classic.

    I have one, "Demoweasels" or how about "Wehateamerica-crats".

    By the way, I love how Obama has flip-flopped yet again and will now concede to off-shore drilling.

    The great centrist migration has begun! It's a great democratic tradition where the democractic nominee must appear more of a centrist to try to win the general election, and be dishonest about their true beliefs.

    So much fun!
    Wow! Way to completely avoid the issue and my question. Good job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Doubtful this will equate to any GOP gains in 13 weeks.

    It is a day to day struggle, right now Obama is falling and McCain is rising. Some polls actually (Rasmussen) have McCain ahead.

    Life is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsin925 View Post
    i agree. obama has this thing licked.
    Ahhhhh, i just love the over confidence.

    You keep on thinking that way brother; i just hope the DNC is thinking the saaame way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Actually, I'm a Registered Nurse and work as an executive in healthcare. So, I do understand patient rights and how consents are obtained.

    I don't know this organization, and while they have some benign information about their "goals", I believe they are misrepresenting the law to further their political agenda.

    Once again, read the law, it's all right there in black and white.
    like i said, i have read the law. did you watch the videos? i'm not even a fan of the free market like this organization, but i think they have some legitimate beefs. what do you think is their political agenda?

    i don't trust acts, like the no child left behind act, which according to it's standards has deemed the best high school in my state unfit because the special ed students didn't score high enough on the standardized tests. see http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=767566.

    please watch the videos then form your opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raughammer1 View Post
    Ahhhhh, i just love the over confidence.

    You keep on thinking that way brother; i just hope the DNC is thinking the saaame way.
    hey, i don't like obama, nor do i like mccain. i'm just calling it like i see it. between those two, i don't care who wins. nothing will change. the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer. both parties suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsin925 View Post
    i'm not even a fan of the free market like this organization, but i think they have some legitimate beefs.


    “Capitalism is the greatest system ever created for alleviating general human misery, and yet it breeds ingratitude. People ask, ‘Why is there poverty in the world?’ It’s a silly question. Poverty is the default human condition... The interesting question isn’t ‘Why is there poverty?’ It’s ‘Why is there wealth?’ Or: ‘Why is there prosperity here but not there?’ At the end of the day, the first answer is capitalism, rightly understood. That is to say: free markets, private property, the spirit of entrepreneurialism and the conviction that the fruits of your labors are your own... In large measure our wealth isn’t the product of capitalism, it is capitalism. And yet we hate it. Leaving religion out of it, no idea has given more to humanity. The average working-class person today is richer, in real terms, than the average prince or potentate of 300 years ago. His food is better, his life longer, his health better, his menu of entertainments vastly more diverse, his toilette infinitely more civilized. And yet we constantly hear how cruel capitalism is while this collectivism or that is more loving because, unlike capitalism, collectivism is about the group, not the individual... Meanwhile, billions have ridden capitalism out of poverty. And yet the children of capitalism still whine.” —Jonah Goldberg

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    Exclamation obama has this thing licked - he’s got the presidency in the bag

    Quote Originally Posted by jsin925 View Post
    i agree. obama has this thing licked.


    “Last week, the Obama campaign sent out a letter on behalf of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee that made two points, one implicit and the other explicit. The implicit point is that Obama himself has no problem raising money for his own campaign, and he’s got the presidency in the bag. The explicit point is that since Obama’s already won this thing, he’s asking donors to focus on supporting Democratic candidates for Congress. Said the letter, ‘We must have a deadlock-proof Democratic majority.’ So the guy running on ‘unity’ and ‘working across the aisle’ has neither the desire nor the intention to foster ‘unity’ or ‘work across the aisle.’ He wants to pound the Republicans into dust so he doesn’t have to deal with them at all. He wants a Democratic majority so lopsided that he can plow his far-left agenda right through. And he wants so many Democrats crawling the hallways of Capitol Hill that he won’t have to work as hard at all that exhausting and pesky persuasion and compromise. Change you can believe in? Sure, as long as it’s only his version of change. Unity? Sure, as long as Republicans are willing to bend to him and his liberal agenda. Working across the aisle? Sure, as long as the Democrats are so dominant that the aisle barely exists. With Obama, watch what he does, not what he says, because the silver tongue promises what the politician has no intention of delivering.” —Monica Crowley

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    Talk about clueless...

    OF COURSE we must drill more. How could finding more oil not help the cost of oil? It most certainly will, and yes, it will not help this year, but we must prepare for the future and explore now. How can anyone not see this?

    Should we explore other options, absolutely. However, while we wait for the car that runs on Obama's flip-flops and lies we need to find oil.

    What is your opposition to drilling more? Environmental? Anti-corporation? Black helicopters? Do you hate roughnecks??????

    WHAT could possibly be the reason?
    Riiiiight...just drill here, there and everywhere, and watch those prices at the pump fall. Why, we should just drill a hole every ten feet all over every wildlife refuge in the world. Screw the animals and the environment. Exxon still hasn't paid for the 1989 Valdez incident that is still poisoning the land and ocean...and that's not even close to the size of numerous other spills. I'll bet those compassionate oil companies will have the price of gasoline back down to 65 cents a gallon in no time! Hell, let's just pay for it ourselves...to hell with the "free market" you guys rant about all the time. Let's just give them billions of our taxpayer dollars so they can continue to get filthy rich raping the earth for a buck. No need for regulation...these guys always have the best interests of the little guy at heart! I mean, Exxon Mobile only raked in a mere 15 billion this quarter. Surely we can help out these struggling companies a little, right? I mean, why invest one thin dime in alternative energy sources; the oil will last forever!

    If you think the price-fixing son of a bitches that run the oil companies are going to lower their prices after we pay through the nose for them to drill all those holes you want, you're crazier than I thought you were.

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