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    Does anyone have any information about bunker gear disposal to be in compliance with AFG. We received our new gear and I want to be in compliance with our old bunker gear retirement. Anyone have a form or how to document the disposal?
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    If its still in usable condition, I hope your not trowing it away.

    If it's less than 10 years old find a department in need.

    If its more than 10 years old, send it overseas to a department in even more need.

    My department is sending our very gently used gear thats more than 10 years old over to Africa to a department that has none. I do not have the information about who is doing this handy, but can get it if you want it.

    Sorry, I know this doesn't answer your question, but I felt compelled to add it.

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    You can keep viable PPE as backups, they don't make you destroy or get rid of it.

    And donate it here regardless of age. There are still US Departments without any gear, and many with 20-30 year old gear that would love to get into 10 year old gear for free. I'm all for helping other countries but not until all of our FDs are taken care of first.

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    THANK YOU BC79er!!!

    I can't echo that enough. I just got off the phone this weekend with a
    department that has NO turnouts except some proximity suits they got
    surplus. We are working with them to put in AFG applications, but till
    then we are trying to get them some turnouts.

    We leave today or tomorrow on a trip from Missouri, through KY, WV, MD to PA, then back through NY, OH, IN, IL. This is a business jaunt, but as we
    go we have donations of airpacks, turnouts, and hose going to help departments in the Ozark Mountains.

    There are even UNPROTECTED areas yet out there, that have only the
    conservation department available to come and put out a fire. They don't
    do structures. We know of another department just now starting up to
    protect an area that has only seen a Fire department from 22 miles away
    before.

    Please, don't trash the stuff, and keep it in the USA!

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    Some departments will remove the liners that are in worse shape sometimes than the outer shell and issue it for forestry gear. Just a thought.

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    We are in the process of finding a department in our state that could use our older airpacks that we replaced with 2007 compliant packs under 07 afg. While they are a mix of 96-2002 packs they are still usable and in good condition with low hours of usage. I'm quite sure that there is a smaller dept. here in our state that would be more than happy to receive them , and will give them a good home.

    PAY IT FORWARD should be the motto of all the dept's lucky enough to get federal funding!

    We will also do the same when we replace our 1982 brush truck that is not AFG funded, look for a dept that truly has a need for a still functioning all wheel drive mini pumper and make them a deal.

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    Does anyone know of anything like a "Needy Fire Department" registry?
    I know something like that would be tough to police (to avoid greed, ebayers, and such), but as long as there is no liability attached with donated gear, something is sure better than nothing....

    We come up with stuff from time to time, but don't know where it should/could go.

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    Word of mouth usually, post it here, or email me with what you want to pass on: brianv@firegraphics.org. I have a contact list of people in areas that either need the stuff themselves or act as a gopher. Blake (LVFD) is one of them but I know a lot of bodies around the country.

    And I did have a listing at one point, but was just a simple web page setup with a list of who needed what and contact info. That way the people with the stuff don't get 4 million emails asking for stuff. Working on a better design, but with me being the only software nerd and sleeping every now and again haven't gotten there yet. Working on a Helping Our Own replacement too since that got raided.

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    I can also help with contacts in needy departments.

    The only thing I can stress, is make sure that department that gets your stuff is for real. We recently had a scam mail out to all the Missouri Chiefs, and we got him slowed down, if not stopped. Call the local law enforcement to see if that department actually exists!

    It can be a sad world out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    I can also help with contacts in needy departments.

    The only thing I can stress, is make sure that department that gets your stuff is for real. We recently had a scam mail out to all the Missouri Chiefs, and we got him slowed down, if not stopped. Call the local law enforcement to see if that department actually exists!

    It can be a sad world out there.
    Was that the one from the soldier that was a chief? I hadn't heard anything about a scam mail yet.

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    Reading about NFPA1851 - 2008 this evening. Requires retirement of TO gear when 10yr from mfg date. And requires tha dispose of in a manner assuring will not be used for fire fighting, emergency operations or training.

    From Morning Pride Reference Guide.

    I'm not claiming it's smart but apparently what the "standard" says. No exemption listed for Arkansas or Nigeria. To my understanding DHS/FG mindlessly parrots NFPA standard as their grant award requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    Was that the one from the soldier that was a chief? I hadn't heard anything about a scam mail yet.
    No, that one from the soldier is true to my understanding.

    This was another one, from a guy near Doniphan.

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    We sent a bunch of gear to El Salvador. Definitely not something that meets any standard but is better than fighting fire in shorts and sandals.

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    For buying new gear they do, as far as giving it away with the exception of vehicles you can give stuff away with no problems. Even trucks can be sold to a broker who is then responsible for making it meet standards.

    And as far as I'm concerned, with people still fighting fire in shorts & t-shirts here in the US anything is better since they're not up to current standard now. If the options are no gear or gear not up to the current NFPA, I'm with the gear choice. Standards are nice goals but most folks are having trouble putting fuel in the tanks.

    Good part about the US (minus CA) is that we're not a donor liability country. So we can give usable stuff to each other and it's the responsibility of the party receiving it if something happens while using the donated stuff. In CA if you donate and some wingnut gets hurt using what you graciously gave them then you can be sued. Hence the reason a few mil in fire equipment in the under 10 y/o range (from trucks to gear) goes to Mexico every year. They can't give it to another department in the US, but over international lines there is no liability either. I still say keep it here first and then if no one takes it send it outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    THANK YOU BC79er!!!


    We leave today or tomorrow on a trip from Missouri, through KY, WV, MD to PA, then back through NY, OH, IN, IL. This is a business jaunt, but as we
    go we have donations of airpacks, turnouts, and hose going to help departments in the Ozark Mountains.

    Please, don't trash the stuff, and keep it in the USA!
    Not all the departments located in the Ozark Mountains are all that needy. I can assure you that the ones who can take care of there own needs also take care of the one's who can not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    I'm not claiming it's smart but apparently what the "standard" says. No exemption listed for Arkansas or Nigeria. To my understanding DHS/FG mindlessly parrots NFPA standard as their grant award requirements.
    Yea that Arkansas statement was truely needed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RES81CUE View Post
    Not all the departments located in the Ozark Mountains are all that needy. I can assure you that the ones who can take care of there own needs also take care of the one's who can not.
    Please don't take that wrong. We are in the area considered to be the
    Ozarks, and many departments here need the help. There was no
    negative meant.

    I am sitting here in a motel in NY, the trailer outside has 28 positive
    pressure airpacks in it, as well as a 12 sets of turnouts, 5 inch hose,
    and a TIC, among other things.

    Now, my "Ozarks" Fire Department is all over that TIC, as well
    as the 5 inch hose. The Airpacks are ending up in departments
    in Missouri, AND Arkansas. The TOG, who knows, it depends on
    the requests that have been made so we can size properly. Everything
    will be distributed, at no charge at all of course, to those departments
    when I get back next week.

    All donated to departments in the Ozarks, by departments with
    budgets from LARGE to not much better than us!


    Insofar as NFPA and the 10 year standard, I will strive to meet
    that standard, but if it comes down to not having gear because of
    NFPA current standards because its older than 10 years, or having good
    gear that is over 10 years old, I will take that turn out gear.

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    Hello Im a 29 year old just going through emt school and looking foward to fire school.. im 5'7 with 32 inch waist.. If anybody has any used bunker gear they would sell me for a cheap price please let me know... between school prices and a family I really dont have money to buy a new set and renting is expensive.... Thanks William I live in Fl.

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    We have a volunteer force in south Alabama. Our turnout gear was bought mostly in 1992. We have added some members in the last two years and some of them have no gear at all. We would gladly take old gear still in good shape. We have a grant submitted for new gear and are waiting on the 10q's. Till then, we have definite needs.

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    I've been working on TO gear project. How are you FD that are spending (or hoping to spend) 07/08 FG$ for turnout gear going to handle NFPA1851.

    NFPA1851 is new std for cleaning, inspection, repair of TO gear. A ball of snakes. In general:

    - FG requires we follow applicable NFPA std.
    - NFPA1851 says:
    After 3yr and EVERY year after that will seperate the thermal barrier and
    moisture barrier and visual check of both sides of each and a permeability
    test of the MB.
    - That means will have to:
    UPS entire garment to a service company
    Have detail cleaning of entire garment
    Inspection/test liner
    Return UPS
    - I'd call that $100 per set (minimum) For EVERY set EVERY year after 3yr old
    - After 10yr will remove from service.

    Adding a "liner inspection port" will add about $5/coat & $5/pant. But will eliminate requirement to unseam and resew (and additional cost) in order to carry out the above.

    So how the heck are the poor rural FD supposed to follow this? I don't know. My FD can't afford to come up with and extra $2k/yr for this (or function test SCBA every yr, or ladders every year, etc). But part of the deal with FG. I have no solution.

    What's your plan? Tell FG to take a hike or suck it up and come up with the $ for the inspections as cost of getting the grant Christmas "gift"?
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