1. #276
    Forum Member
    scfire86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    HB
    Posts
    10,301

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1983 View Post
    I forgot to add in my earlier post, reading this thread made my head hurt. Should I go with the same old thing and use asprin? Or should I make a change for a better rest of my day and use ibuprofen?
    I prefer Tylenol. With codeine. Codeine makes me nauseous so I only take it till I don't need it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1983 View Post
    What would Jefferson do???
    Jefferson was known to sip the grape juice if you know what I mean.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

  2. #277
    Forum Member
    Dave1983's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Gator Country
    Posts
    4,157

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Jefferson was known to sip the grape juice if you know what I mean.
    Not that theres anything wrong with that...
    Fire Marshal/Safety Officer

    IAAI-NFPA-IAFC/VCOS-Retired IAFF

    "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government"
    RUSH-Tom Sawyer

    Success is when skill meets opportunity
    Failure is when fantasy meets reality

  3. #278
    Back In Black
    ChiefKN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    The Nice Part of New Jersey
    Posts
    6,981

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I'm sure you missed this. Since the intelligence used to convince Congress to invade Iraq has been proven to so severly the flawed the Senate Intelligence Committee issued a scathing report that was very critical of the White House.
    Much of this intelligence was also gathered under the previous administration.
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

    "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

    "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

  4. #279
    Back In Black
    ChiefKN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    The Nice Part of New Jersey
    Posts
    6,981

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1983 View Post
    What would Jefferson do???
    He would ask Weezy to get him a drink and then he would make fun of the maid.
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

    "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

    "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

  5. #280
    Forum Member
    scfire86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    HB
    Posts
    10,301

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1983 View Post
    Not that theres anything wrong with that...
    You got that right. I could never understand why so many Christian fundamentalists were opposed to drinking when Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine. He could've stopped right there as far as I'm concerned.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

  6. #281
    the 4-1-4
    Jasper 45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    ...A great place, on a Great Lake
    Posts
    2,784

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Jefferson was known to sip the grape juice if you know what I mean.
    I'm not a real big fan of the "grape juice".
    This is far more to my liking.

    http://www.lakefrontbrewery.com/ales.html

  7. #282
    Forum Member
    scfire86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    HB
    Posts
    10,301

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    I'm not a real big fan of the "grape juice".
    I agree. I always liked going to wine tastings and watching the "commonsewers" spit it out between samplings.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

  8. #283
    Banned

    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    8,677

    Default

    Just look out for the Kool-Aid kids

  9. #284
    Forum Member
    scfire86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    HB
    Posts
    10,301

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, Costa Rica, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Mongolia, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Palau, Panama, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Rwanda, Singapore, Slovakia, Solomon Islands, South Korea, Spain, Tonga, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan.
    After giving this some thought one can't help but notice there are two nations missing from this list.

    China and Russia.

    Russia and China have to be laughing at us when we invaded Iraq. We wasted trillions for nothing as they make their own deals with Iran, while Bush took us from a position of world leadership to an ascendant Russia and an expanding China owning us.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

  10. #285
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    Greensboro, NC USA
    Posts
    1,312

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Certainly you jest. None of the nations you listed expressed any interest in an invasion of Iraq until requested by the US.
    That's the whole point of other nations having a desire to do it, but not willing to take action in the absence of a bandwagon. They don't express it until they see someone else has the same opinion. We brought the horses and the wagon, and did most of the hitching.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    What are you talking about. You brought up the ILA. It doesn't support your premise.
    It doesn't support the statement that Clinton wanted Hussein out of power in Iraq? You better get someone to double check your prescriptions.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    It stipulates that US military force is not authorized unless approved by Congress. That precludes the President from committing troops for more than 60 days under the War Powers Act of 1973. Given the political climate of a hostile congress, I doubt a GOP congress would have granted Clinton that authority.
    It does not say that.

    It reads: "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces (except as provided in section 4(a)(2)) in carrying out this Act." Section 4(a)(2) allows the President to use the US DoD to train & equip Iraqi democratic opposition organizations.

    It doesn't endorse force. Neither does it disallow it. It only states that the document itself shall not be used authorize or support military actions by the US Armed Forces. Thus the document is NEUTRAL towards the use of force to depose Hussein, yet it makes Clinton's view of Hussein's regime quite clear. Reading is fundamental. Maybe we can get you a coloring book to make things clearer.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I could be wrong. But given the "wagging the dog" rhetoric of the time I doubt it.
    I never said Clinton had any intentions of directing attention away from undesirable subjects. But if he had enough blood to supply oxygen to more than one head at a time, maybe he'd been able to better focus on more important issues.
    The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

  11. #286
    Forum Member
    scfire86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    HB
    Posts
    10,301

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    It reads: "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces (except as provided in section 4(a)(2)) in carrying out this Act." Section 4(a)(2) allows the President to use the US DoD to train & equip Iraqi democratic opposition organizations.

    It doesn't endorse force. Neither does it disallow it. It only states that the document itself shall not be used authorize or support military actions by the US Armed Forces. Thus the document is NEUTRAL towards the use of force to depose Hussein, yet it makes Clinton's view of Hussein's regime quite clear.
    I guess we have a different view of the meaning of "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces".

    And as I stated earlier. Under the War Powers Act, a President can only approve troops for 60 days unless authorized by Congress. Who knows if a GOP majority would have authorized given their rhetoric of "wagging the dog" every time Clinton did use military force.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

  12. #287
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    SW Mo
    Posts
    50

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You got that right. I could never understand why so many Christian fundamentalists were opposed to drinking when Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine. He could've stopped right there as far as I'm concerned.
    Totally not starting a religious debate, just here for a little clarification. Jesus did say that one should not do something, i.e-drink wine, that would cause a brother to stumble in their faith. Obviously there is a difference b/w having a glass of merlot and getting shnockered!

    It's a very delicate topic. This is where a lot of well-meaning Christians get accused of being hypocrites. If a Christian is around a brother who is well established in his faith and has a glass of wine, then that is one thing. If, however, that same Christian is around a recent born again Christian, then the water needs to be tread lightly. That's all. Just doing a little maintenance posting here, no conservative vs liberal ideology discussion...for now

  13. #288
    Banned

    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    8,677

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I guess we have a different view of the meaning of "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces".

    And as I stated earlier. Under the War Powers Act, a President can only approve troops for 60 days unless authorized by Congress. Who knows if a GOP majority would have authorized given their rhetoric of "wagging the dog" every time Clinton did use military force.
    The Congress overwhelmingly approved of the war in the beginning. And the congress continues to fund the war. It is funny to see those with little conviction to their values change as time rolls on.

  14. #289
    Forum Member
    scfire86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    HB
    Posts
    10,301

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The Congress overwhelmingly approved of the war in the beginning. And the congress continues to fund the war. It is funny to see those with little conviction to their values change as time rolls on.
    Could be that information has been revealed that has led supporters to realize that error.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

  15. #290
    Forum Member
    scfire86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    HB
    Posts
    10,301

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by flamewalker25 View Post
    Totally not starting a religious debate, just here for a little clarification. Jesus did say that one should not do something, i.e-drink wine, that would cause a brother to stumble in their faith. Obviously there is a difference b/w having a glass of merlot and getting shnockered!

    It's a very delicate topic. This is where a lot of well-meaning Christians get accused of being hypocrites. If a Christian is around a brother who is well established in his faith and has a glass of wine, then that is one thing. If, however, that same Christian is around a recent born again Christian, then the water needs to be tread lightly. That's all. Just doing a little maintenance posting here, no conservative vs liberal ideology discussion...for now
    I rarely if ever use little smilies for a lot of reasons. But that might have been a good place for one given it was made tongue in cheek.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

  16. #291
    Banned

    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    8,677

    Default

    I went in search of Barack Obama's list of accomplishments. All I can find anywhere are the things he did In Illinois. Nowhere, even his own web site, does he talk about accomplishments as a U.S. senator. All the time the man has been a U.S. Senator and he has done nothing. Very sad indeed.

    And another note, to get into his web site he ask for a donation. What a piece of garbage. I nearly got P.O.ed and went elsewhere, except I am stubborn and figured out hot to get around his little scheme

  17. #292
    Banned

    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    8,677

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Could be that information has been revealed that has led supporters to realize that error.
    Yea, it was called public opinion polls. Leaders are expected to make the hard decisions, which aren't always the most popular decisions. Those who change with public opinion are followers, not leaders

  18. #293
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,063

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Yea, it was called public opinion polls. Leaders are expected to make the hard decisions, which aren't always the most popular decisions. Those who change with public opinion are followers, not leaders
    There is a difference between learning from the past and just being hard-headed or ignorant or both.

  19. #294
    Forum Member
    scfire86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    HB
    Posts
    10,301

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Yea, it was called public opinion polls. Leaders are expected to make the hard decisions, which aren't always the most popular decisions. Those who change with public opinion are followers, not leaders
    I have to admit you are at least consistent.

    Do you mean like the GOP majority Senate Intelligence Committee did when they issued a scathing report on the validity of the intel data given them by the White House convincing Congress to support the invasion of Iraq?

    Yea, I guess they should just say "so what?" After all, that's what Cheney did. And his approval ratings are right there with Congress.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

  20. #295
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    77

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    What amazes me is that any union would endorse a candidate who proposes to take more money from the working class to give it to the poor. It should be more about what will this candidate do for my union members. Just one more reason to hate unions.
    I think alot of people are getting worked up over this for no reason. People are gonna vote how they feel no matter what your union, or company or church tells you who they think you should support. In the end you make the final decision whether they like it or not. I never let anyone tell me how to vote in any election; and if i don't like any of the candidates, then I write my name in.

  21. #296
    Forum Member
    Raughammer1's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    667

    Default

    “Joe Biden is Barack Obama’s Dick Cheney. Biden’s age and experience stand in stark contrast to Obama’s lack of both. Like Cheney, Biden is unlikely after two terms as vice president to ever seek the presidency in his own right. That will give him the freedom to be the power behind the throne. And if (God forbid) Barack Obama is elected president, he is going to need a lot of guidance. His reckless, naive foreign policy initiatives at this crucial point in history could put the entire free world at risk. Neither Barack Obama nor Joe Biden has ever run anything. Neither has served in an executive capacity, such as governor of a state or CEO of a major corporation. Both are bloviating legislators in the United States Congress, the ratings of which have hovered at or near single digits in most the recent public opinion polls. But hopefully... Biden will at least have the seasoning to keep Captain America from getting us all killed while he’s playing his big role on the world stage.” —Doug Patton

  22. #297
    Forum Member
    scfire86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    HB
    Posts
    10,301

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Raughammer1 View Post
    —Doug Patton
    Wow. I am shocked, yes shocked to read scathing commentary from a conservative.

    Given his criteria of never having run anything and being nothing more than a bloviating legislator he need look no further than the top of the GOP ticket.

    Ooops.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

  23. #298
    Forum Member
    Raughammer1's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    667

    Exclamation

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Wow. I am shocked, yes shocked to read scathing commentary from a conservative.

    Given his criteria of never having run anything and being nothing more than a bloviating legislator he need look no further than the top of the GOP ticket.

    Ooops.
    LOL, what a hoot!

    So please, tell us again about Obama's legislative acheivements.

    Ooooops.

  24. #299
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    Greensboro, NC USA
    Posts
    1,312

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Raughammer1 View Post
    LOL, what a hoot!

    So please, tell us again about Obama's legislative achievements.

    Ooooops.
    Obama's supporters sued to stop this ad from airing, cause his campaign thought it might violate the
    McCain-Feingold Act.
    The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

  25. #300
    Forum Member
    Raughammer1's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    667

    Question So what exactly has BHO actually done?

    It's true that i dont know a single piece of legislation he ever wrote and passed in all his time as a politician but surely there is something that he has done, some piece of legislation he can hang his hat on, isnt there?

    Has he ever chaired a senate committee, chaired a board, wrote and worked to successfully pass a bill....anything?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Auzzies And Obama
    By MalahatTwo7 in forum News Center
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 01-19-2009, 06:40 PM
  2. Obama forgets to salute flag...........
    By BFDNJFF in forum The Off Duty Forums
    Replies: 106
    Last Post: 10-29-2008, 11:00 AM
  3. Obama. Maybe They Should Grow A Thicker Skin?
    By MalahatTwo7 in forum The Off Duty Forums
    Replies: 52
    Last Post: 10-20-2008, 09:47 PM
  4. Ok!Obama may have the crossover Vote!
    By coldfront in forum The Off Duty Forums
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 08-12-2007, 08:35 AM
  5. IAFF Endorses Al Gore
    By huntere6 in forum Fire Politics
    Replies: 60
    Last Post: 03-02-2001, 08:00 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Log in

Click here to log in or register