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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I would argue that isn't true. One need only look at the re-election rate of incumbents. If the constituencies didn't believe they were being represented there wouldn't be such a high re-election rate of those in office.
    Soooooo, by your rational, we conclude that GWB's approval rating high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Soooooo, by your rational, we conclude that GWB's approval rating high.
    How do you conclude that given that he isn't running?
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I would argue that isn't true. One need only look at the re-election rate of incumbents. If the constituencies didn't believe they were being represented there wouldn't be such a high re-election rate of those in office.
    I would ague that you are wrong. Your premise is incorrect. We, by and large, are still seeing the lesser of X evils being elected.

    They (congress) still enjoy the lowest job approval ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECCMac View Post
    I would ague that you are wrong. Your premise is incorrect. We, by and large, are still seeing the lesser of X evils being elected.

    They (congress) still enjoy the lowest job approval ever.
    Congress may have the lowest approval rating ever, but the voters keep sending the same people to congress. What that tells me is the people in those districts approve of the job their representative is doing. If we are selecting the lesser of two evils, whose fault is that? Certainly not those who are being elected?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Congress may have the lowest approval rating ever, but the voters keep sending the same people to congress. What that tells me is the people in those districts approve of the job their representative is doing.

    Actually, I think it's more of a matter of keeping an Experienced Idiot in office instead of Training a new one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    Actually, I think it's more of a matter of keeping an Experienced Idiot in office instead of Training a new one.
    Now that's funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Congress may have the lowest approval rating ever, but the voters keep sending the same people to congress. What that tells me is the people in those districts approve of the job their representative is doing. If we are selecting the lesser of two evils, whose fault is that? Certainly not those who are being elected?
    Then I do not understand what your arguement is. I said that Congress has the lowest approval rating ever in two seperate posts, and you still argue that the polls are not correct? I hope you are right, then. McCain by a landslide...

    As for my approving Congress...I despise Colorado's Senators...and will vote for 'M. Mouse' before giving another vote to Ken Salazar...but I love what Tom Tancredo was doing. Too bad he is retiring. But I will vote for Coffman, pretty similar. So, in essence, I am doing what I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECCMac View Post
    Then I do not understand what your arguement is. I said that Congress has the lowest approval rating ever in two seperate posts, and you still argue that the polls are not correct? I hope you are right, then. McCain by a landslide...
    The polls are absolutely correct. But what matters is why or not those who have such a low approval of congress keep sending the same people. The electorate at large may dislike congress, but they like their representative.

    It's not rocket surgery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Sorry, I don't buy that explanation. We all have to pay income taxes; we should all pay SSI as well. FYI SSI pays more than just retirement benefits. It also pays for life time disability as well. There is also medicaid. No one, regardless of their pension plan, should be exempt.

    I lose 14.2% of my paycheck to this ridiculous program. I'm sure you think it is a good program, but you don't have to support it.
    In addition to paying for our retirement my pension plan also covers life time disability (at rates much better than SSI,) and single private medical coverage (mush better than what medicaid offers.)

    My pension plan has done something SSI has never done...made money!!! It is in the black and has always been in the black. I also only contribute 11% so I get to keep more of my check. That is a lot better than all the IOUs the federal government has put into the SSI folder.

    Why would I want or be forced to enter into a inferior retirement plan (SSI)?

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    Originally Posted by ScareCrow57
    Sorry, I don't buy that explanation. We all have to pay income taxes; we should all pay SSI as well. FYI SSI pays more than just retirement benefits. It also pays for life time disability as well. There is also medicaid. No one, regardless of their pension plan, should be exempt.

    I lose 14.2% of my paycheck to this ridiculous program. I'm sure you think it is a good program, but you don't have to support it.

    Quote Originally Posted by lexfd5 View Post
    In addition to paying for our retirement my pension plan also covers life time disability (at rates much better than SSI,) and single private medical coverage (mush better than what medicaid offers.)

    My pension plan has done something SSI has never done...made money!!! It is in the black and has always been in the black. I also only contribute 11% so I get to keep more of my check. That is a lot better than all the IOUs the federal government has put into the SSI folder.

    Why would I want or be forced to enter into a inferior retirement plan (SSI)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Must have been told different than me. I was always told that my 401(k), and 457 plans were retirement plans. Never used the terms or even got close to calling it a pension.

    Sadly, the government will tax this at the rate of personal taxes when you withdraw from it, which is why a Roth IRA is, for the most part, better. You pay taxes on it now, and reap the benefits later - even if it is a Roth 401(k). Because taxes aren't exactly going to go down.

    And if you think Social Security is going to be a viable plan for your retirement in 15 years, you need to step away from the crack pipe.
    Yeah, uh I don't pay into social security, will not collect social security, and have not included it in my retirement plan.

    I was just pointing out to a prior poster that described his pension as a 401(k). I'm glad that you understand your personal benefits and have a plan. I don't think that is a very common attribute among Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The polls are absolutely correct. But what matters is why or not those who have such a low approval of congress keep sending the same people. The electorate at large may dislike congress, but they like their representative.

    It's not rocket surgery.
    Why incumbents rarely loose

    And, why would you want to perform surgery on a rocket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECCMac View Post
    And, why would you want to perform surgery on a rocket?
    It's called a joke. Albeit not a very good one.
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    Mr. Obama won't get my vote in November, all of his talk about change is a bunch of " BULL " !!

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    Does it really matter who wins anyway? Everytime we have an election you vote for the same things, every year. How many people have been elected because they say they will lower taxes, make more jobs, eliminate the debt and so on. So whats the difference in who wins, nothings going t change, that way we will have something to vote for and debate about next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodbridgeFFII View Post
    Mr. Obama won't get my vote in November, all of his talk about change is a bunch of " BULL " !!
    And McCain's changes will cost you directly out of your wallet. It's Sophie's Choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    It's called a joke. Albeit not a very good one.
    Thats OK...my equally poor retort was not recognized (even with a smiley) as a joke either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexfd5 View Post
    In addition to paying for our retirement my pension plan also covers life time disability (at rates much better than SSI,) and single private medical coverage (mush better than what medicaid offers.)

    My pension plan has done something SSI has never done...made money!!! It is in the black and has always been in the black. I also only contribute 11% so I get to keep more of my check. That is a lot better than all the IOUs the federal government has put into the SSI folder.

    Why would I want or be forced to enter into a inferior retirement plan (SSI)?
    I have to be perfectly honest, we have stepped into an area that I don't know much about. I thought everyone paid into the SSI system.

    I've been doing some research, in the beginning it was a 2% tax and only covered retirement. Now it funds a lot more than that. Including aid to children.
    Here is a Wiki article on it Wiki SSI

    And an article from SSI Reform
    [url=http://www.socialsecurityreform.org/history/index.cfm] SSI Reform]

    I know that not all public employees are exempt. I have a friend that works for DSS (dealing with scum all day as she puts it), and she pays SSI.

    Oh yea, the reason SSI doesn't make a profit is they keep dipping into for other programs. Which means those not paying into the system are getting an extra tax break. That hardly seems fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And McCain's changes will cost you directly out of your wallet. It's Sophie's Choice.
    Thus the crux of the issue.

    Why vote for either one? If nothing will change with either one. If taxes will likely end up increasing under either one. Why vote for either one?

    Oh yeah, I forgot. That whole union endorsement thing actually means something.
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