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    Just wondering if the Union's decision actually reflects the thoughts of its members.
    If your going to cry about doing the job you signed up for do us all a favor and quit, there are plenty of dedicated people standing in line for the best job in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    Just wondering if the Union's decision actually reflects the thoughts of its members.
    Absolutely not!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    Just wondering if the Union's decision actually reflects the thoughts of its members.
    No. I vote as a working, law abiding tax payer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonJake2340 View Post
    Absolutely not!!!
    And you would be wrong. The decision may not in fact reflect the "thoughts" of the majority of the membership, but I don't know that (and neither do you) since I know that nobody's done a survey of every single member on the issue. I also know that some IAFF members support Obama, just as I know that some support McCain.

    Clearly you don't agree with this choice, which is fine, but I'm sure others do.

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    My vote is for none of the above.

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    Too bad 'none of the above' is a viable option.

    This picking the least of all evils (since after Bush I vs. Clinton) has really bothered me. Why is it that we are stuck with just these two (viable) options?

    It is time that someone who is not a fruitcake, in the middle politcally, and represents the MAJORITY of us all, runs!

    As to the question...I would never vote for Obama...never, ever, regardless of what my union thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    Just wondering if the Union's decision actually reflects the thoughts of its members.
    That's not what the IAFF's endorsement is about. I had a chance to see Schaitberger speak at the Michigan convention our local hosted. He explained it very well in that the IAFF chooses to endorse the candidate that best supports the fire service. He went on to explain that there are many other issues that people consider when voting, but those are PERSONAL choices that the union has no business getting into. The IAFF's members need to weigh the fire service issues and their personal preferences when voting, the IAFF is NOT telling YOU whom to vote for.

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    If your going to cry about doing the job you signed up for do us all a favor and quit, there are plenty of dedicated people standing in line for the best job in the world.

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    I simply cannot vote for a candidate on a single issue and if a candidate demonstrates a good record for supporting the fire service but I am diametrically opposed to virtually everything else in their platform I simply cannot support them.

    Listen to all sides and vote your own conscience and for what you feel is best for the country.

    The one question that I simply can't get a clear answer for is why every 4 years we have to choose who is the lesser of 2 evils. WHY can't we have better choices and better candidates to pick from tom run our country? Seems to get worse every election cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post

    The one question that I simply can't get a clear answer for is why every 4 years we have to choose who is the lesser of 2 evils. WHY can't we have better choices and better candidates to pick from tom run our country? Seems to get worse every election cycle.
    Unfortunately, politics is a game. Look at what happened with the Republican party from roughly March to when McCain was declared the winner. Huckabee stayed in the race even when he had no shot of winning. Why did he do this? He did so to play the spoiler and ruin Romney's chance. I would much rather have had Mitt as the candidate over McCain. I will vote for McCain simply because the other option is simply abhorrent.

    Politics is all about money and who came shmooz the most/best to get the most of it. I think that there are several fine politicians who would serve this country well. Unfortunately, in my opinion, in order to become the front runner of your party's presidential race you have to forget your morals and ethics sometimes.

    For me there a few key topics from which my candidate can not veer. I have to know that he has a firm stance on abortion, gun rights, taxes, and if the doodoo hits the propeller will he have the backbone to go after our enemy with the full force of our military. (Oh and that's another one, don't let our boys and girls in the military live on food stamps, Clinton!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefuss View Post
    and in case you're too stupid to read down the post, and then IM me about how its just nacho libre asking if the iaff is suporting obama...

    Just in case you haven't decided yet. Some of this stuff is pretty scary...


    2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

    ISSUES:

    Favors new drilling offshore US
    McCAIN Yes
    Obama No

    Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
    McCain Yes
    Obama No


    Served in the US Armed Forces
    McCain Yes
    Obama No

    Amount of time served in the US Senate
    McCain 22 YEARS
    Obama 173 DAYS

    Will institute a socialized national health care plan
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
    McCain No
    Obaba Yes

    Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    Supports gun ownership rights
    McCain Yes
    Obama No

    Supports homosexual marriage
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    Voted against making English the official language
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    CAPITAL GAINS TAX

    MCCAIN
    0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

    OBAMA
    28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)
    DIVIDEND TAX

    MCCAIN
    15% (no change)

    OBAMA
    39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')
    INCOME TAX

    MCCAIN

    (no changes)
    Single making 30K - tax $4,500
    Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    Single making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 125K - tax $31,250

    OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
    Single making 30K - tax $8,400
    Single making 50K - tax $14,000
    Single making 75K - tax $23,250
    Married making 60K - tax $16,800
    Married making 75K - tax $21,000
    Married making 125K - tax $38,750

    Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!


    INHERITANCE TAX

    MCCAIN
    - 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

    OBAMA
    Restore the inheritance tax

    Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

    NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

    New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!







    You can verify the above at the following web sites:


    http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/e...008/index.html

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/iss...ues.taxes.html

    http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes

    http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/p..._on_taxes.html

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-.../barack_obama/

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-...s/john_mccain/
    All the above is why im voting for McCain.
    He will end up winning fairly easily..I HOPE!

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    McCain.

    There is no way i could ever vote for BHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefuss View Post
    and in case you're too stupid to read down the post, and then IM me about how its just nacho libre asking if the iaff is suporting obama...

    Just in case you haven't decided yet. Some of this stuff is pretty scary...


    2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS
    You left off two.

    ISSUES:

    Favors placing firefighters into Social Security (14% hit to gross pay)

    McCAIN Yes
    Obama No

    Will appoint judges who wish to overturn the FLSA

    McCain Yes
    Obama No

    Very scary indeed.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You left off two.

    ISSUES:

    Favors placing firefighters into Social Security (14% hit to gross pay)

    McCAIN Yes
    Obama No

    Will appoint judges who wish to overturn the FLSA

    McCain Yes
    Obama No

    Very scary indeed.


    Unfortunately they did not have McCain in their backyard with their governor trying to take away their defined benefits, and retirement. We havent forgot that in California, where we took on that battle.

    This isnt about John McCains service record, or about abortion, this is a trade labor union making an endorsement of a candidate that supports firefighter issues. Unfortunately, John did not line up all the stars...just like his position on Collective bargaining, or FLSA, Social security...

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    Personally, I will vote for McCain. I do not vote party lines, but issues that are important to me. Both candidates have their strengths and weaknesses, but in the big picture I believe McCain supports more of the issues important to me. The IAFF's endorsement is not a factor in my political choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by localtrainer75 View Post
    Unfortunately they did not have McCain in their backyard with their governor trying to take away their defined benefits, and retirement. We havent forgot that in California, where we took on that battle.
    NO KIDDING!!

    It's easy to talk about periphery issues like abortion, gun control, and all the rest until the reality sets in the group you're supporting has no problem reaching directly into your wallet and intends to pull a lot out of it.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Sorry I see my phone bill indicating another 53% over and above the base charges with no long distance calls being made. I much rather be able to defend myself than have Obama take that away also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidlj58 View Post
    Sorry I see my phone bill indicating another 53% over and above the base charges with no long distance calls being made. I much rather be able to defend myself than have Obama take that away also.
    Those must be some hefty phone bills. The SSI hit to me will be about $10K/yr. I doubt any phone tax will even be close to that amount.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefuss View Post

    You forgot to check youtube

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkkTF...eature=related

    Looks like somebody's asleep at the wheel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raughammer1 View Post
    Since the board has been here....the firehouse.com members have chosen the president correctly 100% of the time.
    Gallup Daily: No Bounce for Obama in Post-Biden Tracking
    McCain creeps ahead, 46% to 44%

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    Quote Originally Posted by achief15 View Post
    Personally, I will vote for McCain. The IAFF's endorsement is not a factor in my political choices.
    Same here chief, same here.

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    I hate to say this, but half of me wants Obama to win so that everyone can witness the stock market crash and taxes skyrocket and have the democrats to thank for it. I want that degree of humiliation for them. I sometimes think that a huge slap in the face is what this country needs to put out this liberal fire that has been building the past 7 years.

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    I'm afraid of 4 or 8 more years like we just had. I don't want a president to lie to us ever again. I don't want a president who keeps insisting we must stay the course in Iraq even as the Iraqi government is demanding a pull out date.
    I do not want future FF in the national SS system, I do not want FLSA reworked.

    McCain just made a very poor decision on VP. Absolutly no experience, her own scandals in AK., deception. Is she just there for eye candy? Better think twice about voting for a 72yo not in super health because she may end up prez in a very short time.

    McCain is just 4 more years of failed republican unleadership. He is there to help his rich friends NOT you and I.

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    I don't wana vote for either of them. I think a vote for ronald McDonald would get us alot farther then them two nuckle heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefuss View Post
    and in case you're too stupid to read down the post, and then IM me about how its just nacho libre asking if the iaff is suporting obama...

    Just in case you haven't decided yet. Some of this stuff is pretty scary...


    2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

    ISSUES:

    Favors new drilling offshore US
    McCAIN Yes
    Obama No

    Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
    McCain Yes
    Obama No


    Served in the US Armed Forces
    McCain Yes
    Obama No

    Amount of time served in the US Senate
    McCain 22 YEARS
    Obama 173 DAYS

    Will institute a socialized national health care plan
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
    McCain No
    Obaba Yes

    Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    Supports gun ownership rights
    McCain Yes
    Obama No

    Supports homosexual marriage
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    Voted against making English the official language
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
    McCain No
    Obama Yes

    CAPITAL GAINS TAX

    MCCAIN
    0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

    OBAMA
    28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)
    DIVIDEND TAX

    MCCAIN
    15% (no change)

    OBAMA
    39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')
    INCOME TAX

    MCCAIN

    (no changes)
    Single making 30K - tax $4,500
    Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    Single making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 125K - tax $31,250

    OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
    Single making 30K - tax $8,400
    Single making 50K - tax $14,000
    Single making 75K - tax $23,250
    Married making 60K - tax $16,800
    Married making 75K - tax $21,000
    Married making 125K - tax $38,750

    Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!


    INHERITANCE TAX

    MCCAIN
    - 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

    OBAMA
    Restore the inheritance tax

    Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

    NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

    New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!







    You can verify the above at the following web sites:


    http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/e...008/index.html

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/iss...ues.taxes.html

    http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes

    http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/p..._on_taxes.html

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-.../barack_obama/

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-...s/john_mccain/
    Actually much of the information you posted is not correct, just because you posted it off websites and blogs does not make it right, Mccains tax cuts are for the WEALTHY not middle class and lower. I for 1 will not stand for another 8 years of business as usual and with Mccain that is what you will get......I dare 1 person here to tell me this country is in good shape from republican leadership.........oh yea and you forgot Mccain voted WITH bush 90% of the time

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