agressive firefighters....where are they?

[heavyhitterEFD3]

i heard the other day from a fellow brother firefighter that there dept. has a new guidline stating that if there is no one trapped inside, they will not be going interior! what is up with that???!!! i have watched fires on the news go from small to out of control due to lack of aggression....when these guys are getting 5-6 other dept. for man power and the structur ends up on the ground. in my city our houses are extremly close together...if we dont go IN and put it out, we will end up chasing the fire down the street....even if it is a vacant. but i am talkin about these nice suburban citys....peoples property is something we are supposed to protect as well as there lives. get in and put the bitch out...has anyone else heard of this defensive attack method?

[8Truck]

The reason this is such an insulting copout is because you have to go inside to find out if anyone is trapped. Its called a primary search (but not the kind that is done after the fire is out). Only after the primary search is complete will you know if anyone is trapped inside or not. The other insulting thing about this is its not about safety. Its about a dept/city's liability risk which means its about money. Citizens in such a city should demand from the city a dept dedicated to saving lives and property (which means doing the job the right way and going inside. This is no doubt what the firemen wanna do). Otherwise, what is the point of paying for the dept. to exist?

[JHR1985]

some will probably jump on here and state that because of manpower, training, and other issues that the guideline is a sufficent one and other BS


bottom line is the job is dangerous. get used to it. part of the job is getting rough and dirty. dont like it, then dont do it

[heavyhitterEFD3]

hell yea im glad i got agreement here! and the whole manpower bull ****...we r so understaffed it isnt even funny! the worst i have seen it is 4 guys on a shift...that has happened a few times....unsafe? hell yea! did we burn that day??? hell yea!....did we do our damn job? hell yea....we made an interior attack on three fires on one of those low manning days...with four guys to start off...we did end up with 1 extra engine from a neighboring city eventually. and yes...it is insulting! when people watch there homes burn to the ground and there firemen are throwing water on it from the street...i feel bad for those young guys cause u know most of them wanna go in and throw down

[mcl312]

I recently posted on a similar topic (2 in/2 out) and there was some interesting discussion including those who stated that unless there is a known life hazard don't go in.....well good thing there are still aggressive firefighters who understand the concept of a PRIMARY SEARCH ! My department responded recently to a sfd with heavy fire on A side, crew entered door on c side to attack fire and search and what do they find ??? a victim laying on the kitchen floor, she was removed and is expected to survive and did I mention THE NEIGHBORS TOLD THE ENGINE CREW NO ONE WAS HOME !!!!!!! I quess they should have stayed outside especially since they only had a 3 man engine ! hope OSHA doesnt find out !!!

[Bootstraps]

I will be very selfish in this comment but can you imagine being at a station that has this procedure.......stand back with an exterior attack...go into do savlage and overhall and find a body 10 feet in from an exit!

Not only does this set up a situation where you would loose savable lifes but the emotional crash that crews would experience. It is one thing to give everything you have and loose a life but to stand back and basically do nothing and loose a life is a bloody shame.

Sounds like the mentality of a bean counter behind a desk.

[johnny46]

,a victim laying on the kitchen floor, she was removed and is expected to survive and did I mention THE NEIGHBORS TOLD THE ENGINE CREW NO ONE WAS HOME !!!!!!!

You know that cannot happen in Louisiana? Neighbors there are never wrong about occupancy. They're infallible.

[SmittyBR]

You know that cannot happen in Louisiana? Neighbors there are never wrong about occupancy. They're infallible.

That would be North Louisiana, Johnny

[johnny46]

That would be North Louisiana, Johnny

I apologize. My baiting was inexact and sloppy.

My wife is from Baton Rouge. I don't want to give you her name, in case you know her

[SmittyBR]

My wife is from Baton Rouge. I don't want to give you her name, in case you know her

Well, it is a small,loving city...






...but unless she went to Glen Oaks High or St. Joe's there's a good chance we've never met.

[johnny46]

Well, it is a small,loving city...






...but unless she went to Glen Oaks High or St. Joe's there's a good chance we've never met.

No. Catholic High, whatever that is.

[SmittyBR]

No. Catholic High, whatever that is.

Catholic High is the all boys school. St. Josephs is it's sister school.

Hell, if she went to St Joe's she might know my wife or sister in law.

[johnny46]

Catholic High is the all boys school. St. Josephs is it's sister school.

Hell, if she went to St Joe's she might know my wife or sister in law.

She's 38.

my message was too short.

[SmittyBR]

She's 38.

my message was too short.

She wouldn't know them then. They moved here from Jersey in 1990.

[JHR1985]

Catholic High is the all boys school.

You've got a lot of explaining to do Johnny 46...

[jakesdad]

hell yea im glad i got agreement here! and the whole manpower bull ****...we r so understaffed it isnt even funny! the worst i have seen it is 4 guys on a shift...that has happened a few times....unsafe? hell yea! did we burn that day??? hell yea!....did we do our damn job? hell yea....we made an interior attack on three fires on one of those low manning days...with four guys to start off...we did end up with 1 extra engine from a neighboring city eventually. and yes...it is insulting! when people watch there homes burn to the ground and there firemen are throwing water on it from the street...i feel bad for those young guys cause u know most of them wanna go in and throw down

"Throw down"? Is that what you call it out there????

[johnny46]

You've got a lot of explaining to do Johnny 46...

Our insurance will pay for the surgery.

[FF4606]

What's happenin fellow Heavy Hitter. I used to work for your Dept. Now I'm in Florida. Say hello to the guys for me. Anyone that has been there since before 2001 will know who I am. Tell them Graham said hello.

It used to be that way when I worked there also. Sometimes only 4 guys on shift. Sucks to catch a fire while the rescue is out. Doesn't leave many options does it.

Do yourself a favor and listen to the old guys when they tell you to get out of that place before it's too late. You might think you're happy there but you probably aren't. You will only realize it once you're gone and not dealing with the bull anymore.

By the way, wish England luck in his recovery.

[HeavyRescueTech]

I have a better question: what are they?

a department that goes interior on every fire is aggressive. what about one that goes interior on every fire, but loses 3-5+ firefighter a year? what about those that go on working fires when anyone in is dead already?

a department that ALWAYS does a primary search. ALWAYS. what if their are flames shooting out every window? again, do aggressive departments always send the primary search crew in first?

a department that will do the same jobs whether there are 6 guys on a engine/truck or if there is 3. of even better if you normally run with 5 are are down to 3 instead, do you still operate as effectively? doesn't a safety factor come into play, or does it only apply to non-aggressive departments?

I'm just trying to figure out what different people consider to be
aggressive.

[LeatherHed4Life]

Our insurance will pay for the surgery.

hey johnny, or janet... maybe we'll just call you J, nice sig man. Was that from the house watch article by Ray Mcormick?