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    Question Auc 329

    Anybody from the City of New York care to explain what it is. My guess is that it has something to do with the two in/two out rule


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaCreek View Post
    Anybody from the City of New York care to explain what it is. My guess is that it has something to do with the two in/two out rule
    It is our OSHA/Respiratory standard.

    Why do you ask?

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    Sounds like someone got a hold of a fire report!

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    I ask because it is referenced in several of the FDNY operational documents, that are accessed on the web, regarding company procedures at structural fires. Was trying to piece the relavance in to the document. So it is not two/in, two/out, it is a mask policy? Or is it better explained by saying that members need to be teamed up when operating in an environment requiring respiratory protection.
    Last edited by DeltaCreek; 08-26-2008 at 09:25 PM.

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    It is the two in/two out policy.

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    Post Auc 329

    It is a slightly dated version but here it is. And although it says what it says...obviously things in the field don't always work this way....(ie.-the job as of yet hasn't provided the "another member" to team up with, infact they got rid of the 2nd Roof man ages ago and we lost the 5th man in many Engines in the 1990s.) To put it bluntly the senario with the 4 man engine NEVER plays out like that.

    1. POLICY

    1.1 The United States Department of Labor Occupational Safety and Health Administration's (OSHA) revised standard regarding respiratory protection states: Where an employer work environment, it is assumed that the atmosphere is Immediately Dangerous to Life and Health (IDLH).

    1.2 When a fire progresses pas the incipient stage, the fire area must be considered an IDLH atmosphere. Every member entering the IDLH must be equipped with personal protective equipment and a self-contained breathing apparatus. No member shall enter an IDLH atmosphere unless the member teams-up with at least one other member and remains within visual or voice contact with that member. Handie-talkies or other electronic communication devices are not acceptable to replace visual or voice contact. At least one of the members of the team within the IDLH must have a handie-talkie and must be able to contact a handie-talkie-equipped member of the Safety Team outside of the IDLH atmosphere. The members of the Safety Team shall be available to assist the interior team(s) if the need arises.

    1.3 If a known life hazard is found and immediate action could prevent the loss of life, appropriate action (rescue activity) may be taken by an individual member. This applies only for a known life hazard, not for a standard search and rescue activity. If such action is taken, the Incident Commander must be immediately notified and appropriate adjustments made. In all incidences of such individual action, the Incident Commander shall forward a report detailing the full particulars to the Chief of Operations. A thorough review of each of these incidents will be conducted.

    2. PROCEDURES

    2.1 A Safety Team must be available at all times. The FAST Unit will serve as the Safety Team. Prior to the arrival of the FAST Unit, the following guidelines should be followed to establish the Safety Team:

    2.1.1. The Safety Team shall be made up of the control firefighters of the first and second arriving engine companies.

    2.1.2 There will be times when entry into an IDLH atmosphere is necessary prior to the arrival of the first two engine companies. The following guidelines shall be followed in these instances.
    • One 4 Firefighter Engine on Scene:
    Based on the officer’s size up, the following options can be considered:
    1) The officer and on firefighter enter the IDLH for search without line advancement;
    2) Take a defensive position based on conditions encountered.

    • One 5 Firefighter Engine on Scene:

    The Safety Team is composed of the Control firefighter and the Door firefighter.

    • One Ladder on Scene:

    The Safety Team is composed of the FE firefighter and the OV firefighter.

    • One Engine and One Ladder on Scene:
    The Safety Team is composed of the Control firefighter and the OV firefighter.

    2.2 The arrival of the 2nd Engine must be announced over the handie-talkie.

    2.3 Designated members of the Safety Team are to engage in their primary duties while assuming the duties of the Safety Team. Once firefighters enter the IDLH, one member of the Safety Team must account for firefighters inside the IDLH without performing other duties.

    2.4 In unusual situations, the Incident Commander may vary the make-up of the Safety Team. An understanding of the FDNY POLICY/OSHA RESPIRATORY STANDARDS, along with knowledge of current Department SOP's, will allow for an efficient operation with a minimum adjustment to our SOP's as currently written.


    3. DUTIES OF THE SAFETY TEAM

    3.1 The Safety Team shall be positioned outside the IDLH atmosphere and:
    • Monitor handie-talkie transmissions for call for assistance from members operating into an IDLH atmosphere, mayday, or urgent transmissions, and transmissions from interior teams that are not being acknowledged.
    • Be prepared to enter the IDLH atmosphere to render assistance if required.
    • Be prepared to transmit necessary mayday or urgent handie-talkie message if an interior team needs immediate assistance.
    • Insure that the Incident Commander is notified that the Safety Team is entering the IDLH if necessary.

    3.2 The Incident Commander shall announce the FAST Unit's arrival over the handie-talkie at the scene. On receipt of this announcement, the members performing the duties of the Safety Team shall return to their original assignments.

    4. TEAMING UP

    4.1 When members are teamed up, they must contact their company officer before entering an IDLH atmosphere and advise such officer of their status at frequent intervals, especially when attempting tasks not normally associated with their assignments.

    4.2 In unusual situations where members assigned to team up are unable to do so, the Incident Commander shall be notified prior to entry into the IDLH and the Incident Commander shall make necessary adjustments in the pairing up of the members.


    5. REFERENCE CHART

    1 Engine Company on the scene

    TWO FFs AS DESIGNATED BY THE OFFICER
    4 FF Engine Company


    1 Engine Company on the scene

    CONTROL
    &
    DOOR FFs
    5 FF Engine Company


    1-Ladder Company on the scene
    FE
    &
    OV FF's



    1-Engine Company & 1-Ladder Company on the scene
    CONTROL
    &
    OV FFs


    2-Engine Companies on the Scene
    CONTROL FF's OF 1ST AND 2ND ARRIVING ENGINES



    FAST Unit on the scene
    ENTIRE UNIT ASSUMES DUTIES OF THE
    SAFETY TEAM


    BY ORDERS OF THE FIRE COMMISSIONER AND CHIEF OF DEPARTMENT
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    FFred is on the money again......about the only time you'll see it in NYC is in the A.U.C, not very practical when applied our day to day operations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJ View Post
    FFred is on the money again......about the only time you'll see it in NYC is in the A.U.C, not very practical when applied our day to day operations.
    And the occasional NIOSH report.
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    Thanks FFFred. Big Help. The detail was great.

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