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    Texas school district allows teachers to carry guns for protection

    AUSTIN, Texas - Along with normal first-day jitters and excitement, students in this tiny district started school Monday wondering which teachers might be toting firearms.

    "It was kind of awkward knowing that some teachers were carrying guns," said Adam Lira, 17, a senior. "I don't feel like they should be, 'cause we already have locked doors and cameras. But I didn't feel threatened by it."

    Several parents said they had no idea that employees of the K-12 school were allowed to carry concealed guns on campus until recent publicity about the school board's policy, approved quietly last fall. They said they were upset that the rural community near the Oklahoma border had not been able to give input.

    While some parents said they felt their children were safer, others opposed the plan, which appears to be the first of its kind nationwide.

    "As far as I'm concerned, teachers were trained to educate my children ó not carry a gun. Even police officers need years of training in hostage situations," said Traci McKay, whose three children are among the 110 students in the red-brick Harrold school. "I don't want my child looking over her shoulder wondering who's carrying a gun."

    But Harrold Superintendent David Thweatt said the board approved the policy in an October open meeting that had been publicized. He said the decision was made after nearly two years of researching the best school security options at the school, which is just off a busy highway and 30 minutes away from the sheriff's office.

    "When you outlaw guns in a certain area, the only people who follow that are law-abiding citizens, and everybody else ignores it," Thweatt said.

    The superintendent said some of the school's 50 employees are carrying weapons, but he wouldn't say how many. When pressed further, he first said that revealing that number might jeopardize school security. He then added that he considered it to be personnel information and not a matter of public record.

    Each employee who wants to carry a weapon first must be approved by the board based on his or her personality and reaction to a crisis, Thweatt said. In addition to training required for a state concealed weapons license, they also must be trained to handle crisis intervention and hostage situations.

    State education officials said they did not know of any other Texas schools allowing teachers to carry guns. National security experts and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence said they did not know of other U.S. schools with such a policy.

    School districts in some states, including Florida and Arizona, have closed loopholes that allowed guns on K-12 campuses. Utah allows concealed weapons at public universities but not at primary or secondary schools.

    Special bullets, extra precautions
    Thweatt said the board took extra precautions, such as requiring employees to use bullets that will minimize the risk of ricochet, similar to those used by air marshals on planes.

    "I can lead them from a fire, tornado and toxic spill; we have plans in place for that. I cannot lead them from an active shooter," Thweatt said. "There are people who are going to think this is extreme, but it's easy to defend."

    Judy Priz, who has a third-grade daughter, said that "everyone I've talked to thinks it's great." She said she trusts the teachers with her child's life.

    "Look how long it takes the police or anybody else to get here," she told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram for a story in its Monday online edition. "If someone wants to come here and harm someone, at least we would have sort of defense."

    Gov. Rick Perry has said he supports the policy because "there's a lot of incidents where that would have saved a number of lives."

    The Brady Center has spoken out against the plan, saying it may not comply with Texas law, which bans firearms at schools unless carriers have given written permission. If the school board authorizes an employee to carry a gun, then that person must be a peace officer, according to the center.

    "It's unfair of us to ask teachers to take on the additional job of being police officers," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign.

    Cheryl Mehl, an attorney for the Harrold school district, said the statute the Brady Center cites applies only to security guards, not teachers and other employees. The district has no security guards.
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    Wow, what a biased pro gun control article.

    Hey, it works for them...cops cant be everywhere.

    There is a lot more info on this subject and this school out there and it is much more informative than the lead off post in this thread. For one thing the response time for law enforcement to respond to a call at this rural location was extra ordinarily long.
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    hmmm. so the teachers are going to be armed.......

    so i guess if I was a terrorist, and I wanted to cause some terror in the school, my first targets would be the teachers, since they might be packing....
    If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

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    Riiight. So if a situation does happen, how do the cops tell the gun-wielding teachers from the gun-wielding criminals in the chaos?
    Further proof that Texas has more idiots per capita than any state in the Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParasite View Post
    hmmm. so the teachers are going to be armed.......

    so i guess if I was a terrorist, and I wanted to cause some terror in the school, my first targets would be the teachers, since they might be packing....
    You better also hire some of the most dedicated terrs you can find because the kiddies in Memphis carry more heat than the cops do and don't like someone messing in their turf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Riiight. So if a situation does happen, how do the cops tell the gun-wielding teachers from the gun-wielding criminals in the chaos?
    Further proof that Texas has more idiots per capita than any state in the Union.
    So,if YOU were armed,would YOU be so mentally unbalanced as to shoot the checkout girl at Winn Dixie for making a mistake when she rang up your groceries?
    If you are,why aren't you getting help for your condition instead of presuming to decide why people shouldn't carry firearms for protection?
    If you are NOT that mentally unbalanced,where do you get off deciding who is?
    BTW,do not try to weasel out with"I don't own guns so that doesn't apply to me." I said "IF you were...'to find out how you would see the answer through your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Riiight. So if a situation does happen, how do the cops tell the gun-wielding teachers from the gun-wielding criminals in the chaos?
    Wrong question. The appropriate one is: How do the gun-wielding criminals tell the concealed weapon teachers apart from the non-concealed weapon teachers?
    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Further proof that Texas has more idiots per capita than any state in the Union.
    The violent crime rate in their state is lower than yours. And that's not a snapshot in time, it's been that way since 1994. In 2005 TN's was 43.4% higher than TX's. In 2006 it was 47.2% higher.

    From 1994 to 2006, TN's averaged 26.3% higher. Maybe the idiots are closer than you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Wrong question. The appropriate one is: How do the gun-wielding criminals tell the concealed weapon teachers apart from the non-concealed weapon teachers?
    easy answer: they don't. shoot every teacher, this way you don't have to worry.

    makes one want to rethink being a teacher, esp in texas.

    quick question: who gets shot more on a national basis? police officers, firefighters, or teachers? maybe it's PD because even the scumbags know the FD and teachers aren't trying to hurt them, and only want to defuse a situation with no loss of life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParasite View Post
    easy answer: they don't. shoot every teacher, this way you don't have to worry.
    Why donít many police stations get robbed? Why donít many gun wielding criminals ply their trade in police stations?

    Answer: Because there are guns in those places and people who know how to use those guns...and those armed people in those places shoot back when shot at.

    Ditto for this school: Most likely that imagined gun-wielding criminal, if he just had to go and shoot up a school would choose a school that did not have armed teachers....that shoot back when shot at.

    Unlike the unarmed "targets" in those other "unarmed" schools.

    One is a target rich environment...the other has targets that shoot back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParasite View Post
    easy answer: they don't. shoot every teacher, this way you don't have to worry.
    So how does a criminal go about doing that before an armed & trained teacher shoots back? (remember, the teachers are required to go through extra training to prepare them) Consider that when you attack, there would be only one teacher per room, and multiple rooms down each hall/wing. That's a tactical nightmare.

    Arming Teachers creates a deterrent for people with murderous intentions.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrParasite View Post
    quick question: who gets shot more on a national basis? police officers, firefighters, or teachers? maybe it's PD because even the scumbags know the FD and teachers aren't trying to hurt them, and only want to defuse a situation with no loss of life?


    FD & Teachers aren't shot more because they don't chase after criminals in an attempt to apprehend them.

    Who get's burned more often? That's right, FD does. Not because Fire wants to burn us more than Police, but BECAUSE WE GO INSIDE BURNING BUILDINGS while Police & Teachers stand outside.
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