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    I was hoping someone could fill in the blanks for me with some information. In this months Fire EMS product news magazine (which got "cleaned up" here at the station) there was an ad for a company that does chevron striping for the rear of vehicles. I guess the deal is you take a photo of the rear of your truck, log on to thier website and provide them the photos and dimensions and they in return give you a price quote and pic of what your truck would look like when done.
    If anyone has the information on this company or saw the same ad and can send me thier website that'd be terrific.
    My email addy is nfdems1@comcast.net.
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    Are you maybe talking about "Scene Dots"? http://www.scenedots.com/

    There was another post of someone who posted photos of their installation.

    You may want to search for that thread.

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    It wasnt these guys. Thier website had a photo of someone taking a picture of the back of a PD command post with a slide out, and then an after shot of the vehicle with blue chevrons on it. They take the photo and the dimensions and actually do a custom fit striping application that you can install or they will come and do it for you.

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    It's SVI graphics in Colorado. Here's the specific information from their page: SVI Chevron Striping.

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    Thanks, those are the guys I was looking for

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    I've been working with these guys for the last couple of weeks on retrofitting some of our rigs. They've been responsive to the changes that I've wanted to make and they sent me a sample of the 3M diamond grade they're using. It looks like they do a good job at layering the material and then a clear overlay on top.

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    Is it hard to apply the chevrons on top of aluminum diamondplate?

    My experience says yes, big time. Hard to get the material to conform to all the little diamond profiles for an effective and long lasting fit.

    So..... I'm assuming they have something different than the standard reflective striping. Can anyone tell me what that is, and how well it works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFDMAXX View Post
    Is it hard to apply the chevrons on top of aluminum diamondplate?

    My experience says yes, big time. Hard to get the material to conform to all the little diamond profiles for an effective and long lasting fit.

    So..... I'm assuming they have something different than the standard reflective striping. Can anyone tell me what that is, and how well it works?
    Their site says they put the chevron on a seperate aluminum sheet then you mount that over the the existing diamond plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFDMAXX View Post
    Is it hard to apply the chevrons on top of aluminum diamondplate?

    My experience says yes, big time. Hard to get the material to conform to all the little diamond profiles for an effective and long lasting fit.

    So..... I'm assuming they have something different than the standard reflective striping. Can anyone tell me what that is, and how well it works?
    Check out http://www.scenedots.com/

    They're actually making small circles that fit between the diamonds.



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    Easist way to install reflective tape on diamond plate, is to use a heat gun, low setting, and a paint roller (new preferred).

    Just lightly heat the tape, and with the roller, press and roll it. It will allow for the tape to mold around the raised "X"s. Works like a charm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Check out http://www.scenedots.com/

    They're actually making small circles that fit between the diamonds.
    And when you finish that project, that length of " PVC needs to become a dry hydrant strainer. There's the drill.

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    We are just finishing putting Scene dots on the rear of our rigs. It is good therapy
    I'll see if I can snap a picture, it looks better then I thought it would.

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    I just saw an ad for some "scene diamonds"? Maybe the same company as Scene Dots, but they're diamond shaped fro better use with diamond plate?

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    The dots are a big enough pain to put on their is no way I would get little squares to line up.

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    Oh, here are some completed NFPA compliant chevrons done with scene dots(actually they are not "scene dots brand) just Avery lables from the guy who does our lettering and stripes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADSNWFLD View Post
    Oh, here are some completed NFPA compliant chevrons done with scene dots(actually they are not "scene dots brand) just Avery lables from the guy who does our lettering and stripes.
    Looks great, this is a great option to those who have diamond plate on their rigs. However, I don't think that they are NFPA compliant. Do they meet the retroreflectability that is required? How about the ASTM D standard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TCFD12 View Post
    Looks great, this is a great option to those who have diamond plate on their rigs. However, I don't think that they are NFPA compliant. Do they meet the retroreflectability that is required? How about the ASTM D standard?
    If the truck is existing then it's probably already compliant with the standard in effect when it was built, therefore these are additional visibility measures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    If the truck is existing then it's probably already compliant with the standard in effect when it was built, therefore these are additional visibility measures.
    Agreed. Anything is better than nothing. And existing trucks do not need to be retrofitted. I understand that.

    My point was questioning your claim that this was NFPA compliant. To my knowledge the dots do not meet the NFPA or ASTM standard.

    I am not trying to start an arguement, just want people to know that this is not a solution for NFPA compliance. I suppose it could be if the dots were a different material and met the spec for retroreflectability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TCFD12 View Post
    Agreed. Anything is better than nothing. And existing trucks do not need to be retrofitted. I understand that.

    My point was questioning your claim that this was NFPA compliant. To my knowledge the dots do not meet the NFPA or ASTM standard.

    I am not trying to start an arguement, just want people to know that this is not a solution for NFPA compliance. I suppose it could be if the dots were a different material and met the spec for retroreflectability.
    Graphic designs are allowed to replace striping as long as they cover the same perimeter percentage. The original pamphlet to require striping (1991 version if I remember correctly) did not have that caveat but it got added due to complaints (it also required 80% of the perimeter length which was reduced.) If the new standard does not also state this regarding the chevrons, it will eventually.

    As to the reflectivity, I would hope they are supplying material that meets the pamphlet since they are targeting the emergency market. If not, it does not reflect well on them, so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADSNWFLD View Post
    Oh, here are some completed NFPA compliant chevrons done with scene dots(actually they are not "scene dots brand) just Avery lables from the guy who does our lettering and stripes.
    Who is your graphics guy??

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    I just saw an ad for some "scene diamonds"? Maybe the same company as Scene Dots, but they're diamond shaped fro better use with diamond plate?
    "Scene diamonds", "Diamondots", and "Diamond Diamonds" are NOT
    a product of SCENEdots and in fact it's an infringement of the patent application and copyrights held by SCENEdots. Diamonds and squares
    are not friendly shapes to work with on diamond tread plate due to the
    fact that the four corners are very difficult to line-up and the only way
    to cure this problem is to have the diamonds pre-spaced on a roll like a
    roll of stamps. There is at least four different manufacturers of tread
    plate and the spacing between the treads all being different, which would
    make any sheet application impossible to work on every truck. Round
    dots are very forgiving when lining up and there are no corners to
    peel up. SCENEdots, which are applied one at a time, is the only product
    and method that is guaranteed to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dotgirl View Post
    "Scene diamonds", "Diamondots", and "Diamond Diamonds" are NOT
    a product of SCENEdots and in fact it's an infringement of the patent application and copyrights held by SCENEdots.
    So, that is why you wanted the guys name in the previous post, with a name like "dotgirl" you must be affilicated with Scenedots.

    First off, I didn't know a patent APPLICATION could be infringed upon. Second, please explain just how it would be infringing on any copyright. Intimidation certainly doesn't help sell product in the fire service and can be actionable in court. Further, intimidation on the internet is well known to backfire.

    Diamonds and squares
    are not friendly shapes to work with on diamond tread plate due to the
    fact that the four corners are very difficult to line-up and the only way
    to cure this problem is to have the diamonds pre-spaced on a roll like a
    roll of stamps. There is at least four different manufacturers of tread
    plate and the spacing between the treads all being different, which would
    make any sheet application impossible to work on every truck. Round
    dots are very forgiving when lining up and there are no corners to
    peel up. SCENEdots, which are applied one at a time, is the only product
    and method that is guaranteed to work.
    I think that last statement is a little over the top. You must be in marketing since you say things like that. For instance, conformable 3M reflective tape in strips could be used. A 3M trained installer would be able to do the back of the truck in a lot less time. It certainly would be faster than individual dots and I hear they guarantee their products. Are you saying it won't work and would not be guaranteed?

    If you do work for Scenedots, you might consider being a little more careful about throwing threats and innuendos around. Especially if you are not making your own reflective material and simply cutting up some 3M or Avery. I hear they have legal departments too.
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    I have seen pictures of both Scenedots and diamond diamonds applied and I think the diamond diamonds look better at approx. half the cost. Maybe Scenedots might look at lowering their prices to be a little more competitive.

    I like when a manufacturer tells me what is good about their product, but it is a real turn off when they start to hack on the competition in an effort to sell theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wischief View Post
    I have seen pictures of both Scenedots and diamond diamonds applied and I think the diamond diamonds look better at approx. half the cost. Maybe Scenedots might look at lowering their prices to be a little more competitive.

    I like when a manufacturer tells me what is good about their product, but it is a real turn off when they start to hack on the competition in an effort to sell theirs.
    I've been trying to find pictures of these diamonds..........

    Anyone got a link for one of these other products? I tried search for the things dotgirl posted with no luck........
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