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    Wow, i find it a little surprising that you "Senior" members show such disrespect to a child asking a question. Not even a question if he could have a blue light, but a question as to more or less other have blue lights. Just answer the question "no our juniors are not allowed to have light" or "yes our juniors run lights".

    You wonder why junior members aren't stickin' around. Well, if I was a junior not gettin' paid I wouldn't want to hear your mouth either. So you've heard the question before. Who cares about if it's been posted before. Your goin to hear the same question a dozen more times before the end of it all.

    I can't stand when "Senior" members bash these jr. members because of their questions. Lead by example. If your a ****** they will be a ******.

    By the way, if you plan on becoming a medic with that attitude, I'd seriously reconsider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffscm72 View Post
    Wow, i find it a little surprising that you "Senior" members show such disrespect to a child asking a question. Not even a question if he could have a blue light, but a question as to more or less other have blue lights. Just answer the question "no our juniors are not allowed to have light" or "yes our juniors run lights".

    You wonder why junior members aren't stickin' around. Well, if I was a junior not gettin' paid I wouldn't want to hear your mouth either. So you've heard the question before. Who cares about if it's been posted before. Your goin to hear the same question a dozen more times before the end of it all.

    I can't stand when "Senior" members bash these jr. members because of their questions. Lead by example. If your a ****** they will be a ******.

    By the way, if you plan on becoming a medic with that attitude, I'd seriously reconsider.

    but, that's just my opinion. nothing more
    i agree with you 100 percent. well said man

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffscm72 View Post
    Wow, i find it a little surprising that you "Senior" members show such disrespect to a child asking a question. Not even a question if he could have a blue light, but a question as to more or less other have blue lights. Just answer the question "no our juniors are not allowed to have light" or "yes our juniors run lights".

    You wonder why junior members aren't stickin' around. Well, if I was a junior not gettin' paid I wouldn't want to hear your mouth either. So you've heard the question before. Who cares about if it's been posted before. Your goin to hear the same question a dozen more times before the end of it all.

    I can't stand when "Senior" members bash these jr. members because of their questions. Lead by example. If your a ****** they will be a ******.

    By the way, if you plan on becoming a medic with that attitude, I'd seriously reconsider.

    but, that's just my opinion. nothing more
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    Are we even reading the same thread?

    I asked him, several times, to clarify what makes Juniors so important as to have blue lights.

    When he got snarky, he got both barrels.

    I was an Explorer for a busy career city dept, and was a volunteer on a moderatly busy dept with Juniors. They always knew the apparatus inside and out, and they were the ones who I would go to when I first started out to find out where something was located.
    I would go out of my way to teach whatever I could to them in return.

    However, when they get lippy, they got put on their ***, quick.

    They have no room to bitch, especially on an issue such as this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy View Post
    Are we even reading the same thread?

    I asked him, several times, to clarify what makes Juniors so important as to have blue lights.

    When he got snarky, he got both barrels.

    I was an Explorer for a busy career city dept, and was a volunteer on a moderatly busy dept with Juniors. They always knew the apparatus inside and out, and they were the ones who I would go to when I first started out to find out where something was located.
    I would go out of my way to teach whatever I could to them in return.

    However, when they get lippy, they got put on their ***, quick.

    They have no room to bitch, especially on an issue such as this.
    I'm not getting into an argument with someone with barely enough experience to wipe his own butt let alone place bandages on patients. Only 6 years of experience and your talking smack to a junior? Do you know where the hose goes on the pumper? Heck your still a junior yourself. And don't even say anything about going to medic school. I'm not impressed your still a pup yourself. Just remember pup, sticky side down.

    (Not so funny when a more experience person is slappin' you down is it.)

    If you want to be a mentor to these juniors answer their questions or just leave the forum. You do no good by arguing with them or back talking a teenager. Besides don't you remember when you were a teenager. It sucked!
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    I also didn't have blue lights in my POV, and talked back to Firefighters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy View Post
    I also didn't have blue lights in my POV, and talked back to Firefighters.
    I find it hard to believe that in your younger days that you never got mad or disheartened about not being able to do something. Attacking fires, helping in some fashion, or being like the other firefighters (i.e. having blue lights). Call it jealousy or what have you. People mimic the people they look up to, in this case a JR firefighter looks up to his superior (probably a bad choice of words) and wants to be like him or her. Now the JR didn't ask whether he can or not. He/she ask why is it legal to do it in that state and not his/hers.

    Your job as the role model (the senior member, the one he/she looks up to) is to reinforce why or why not they can or can not have the blue lights. Not put down the JR member because he got mad because you wouldn't listen to his questions because you didn't want to see past him being a junior member. In your eye an inferior person.

    JR members are invaluable. They ARE our future, They CAN be useful on scene, and WILL be the ones your children will look up to in the future. Whether or not he talks back to you is irrelevant. What is relevant is, did you listen to him as he listened to you, and did you answer his question to the best of your knowledge and help him to the best of your ability.

    I'm sure you are a good EMT/FF but Now, is your time become a good/great role model. Starting on this forum.
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    Juniors and Lights- Not happening with our dept, not even a probastionary firefighter can have a red light, you have to be a firefighter before you get used a permit and have taken a defensive driving course.

    As far as juniors leaving school, absoultly not happening, first off because the high school is like 10 miles from the station,the only way a junior from our department could leave school was if the chief called the school and said he needed the juniors (never happend while I was in high school. I issed so many fires because of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffscm72 View Post
    I find it hard to believe that in your younger days that you never got mad or disheartened about not being able to do something. Attacking fires, helping in some fashion, or being like the other firefighters (i.e. having blue lights). Call it jealousy or what have you. People mimic the people they look up to, in this case a JR firefighter looks up to his superior (probably a bad choice of words) and wants to be like him or her. Now the JR didn't ask whether he can or not. He/she ask why is it legal to do it in that state and not his/hers.

    Your job as the role model (the senior member, the one he/she looks up to) is to reinforce why or why not they can or can not have the blue lights. Not put down the JR member because he got mad because you wouldn't listen to his questions because you didn't want to see past him being a junior member. In your eye an inferior person.

    JR members are invaluable. They ARE our future, They CAN be useful on scene, and WILL be the ones your children will look up to in the future. Whether or not he talks back to you is irrelevant. What is relevant is, did you listen to him as he listened to you, and did you answer his question to the best of your knowledge and help him to the best of your ability.

    I'm sure you are a good EMT/FF but Now, is your time become a good/great role model. Starting on this forum.
    AMEN! And thank you very much. Your last few posts have been brilliant, I've been waiting for someone to explain that as well as you have.

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    As nice as it would be to use lights going up to the firehouse there is really no point for us juniors/explorers to use them since we don't have much experience going into a building and also the fact that all we really do on the scene is get tools, change sbca bottles, etc. Also leaving school to go to a firecall? I know everyone would want to do that but there is no point missing class and having to make up all that work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDNYco10 View Post
    Also leaving school to go to a firecall? I know everyone would want to do that but there is no point missing class and having to make up all that work.
    There was a thread around here somewhere on that topic that went on for pages and pages and pages. I think that everyone got fed up with that topic finally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDNYco10 View Post
    As nice as it would be to use lights going up to the firehouse there is really no point for us juniors/explorers to use them since we don't have much experience going into a building and also the fact that all we really do on the scene is get tools, change sbca bottles, etc. Also leaving school to go to a firecall? I know everyone would want to do that but there is no point missing class and having to make up all that work.
    So then why would it be "nice"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    So then why would it be "nice"?
    Is that a serious question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplorerLt1991 View Post
    Is that a serious question?
    Yes, it is. Please elaborate.
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    Could it be the infamous "bcz croosin to da station wiff my lite wud make me 2 kool!".

    I hope not.

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    For the love of God, let this die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Yes, it is. Please elaborate.
    That was a rhetorical question... nvm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDNYco10 View Post
    I know everyone would want to do that but there is no point missing class and having to make up all that work.
    That's why...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy View Post
    For the love of God, let this die.
    For the love of God, Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, PLEASE let this die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFxplr326 View Post
    For the love of God, Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, PLEASE let this die.
    Well if you would stop posting maybe it would!!!















    Damn. Now I'm keeping this going. Oh well.
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    The kid that posted this thread is smart. He doesnt think its cool for Jrs to have lights. They shouldnt for obvious reasons. But lets stop going overboard with the attacks every time some one types lights. No one likes a whacker but lets not get carried away. When I was like 5 I would stare at my dads flashing lights on his patrol car. but I grew up. I use lights as a tool to help keep me and the public safe. Jrs will grow out of it or atleast hopefully be mature about light use. How about teaching proper use instead of just saying Im better then you because Im not a whacker. Please!

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    Our "probies" can't use lights, so I can't see why a Jr would need a light. A light on your car only makes you go faster, you are an "extra" at the scene, the call will go on with or with out you. So no, I see no reason why a Jr would need a light.

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    Ok we get the point... Let the horse die already. Stop stirring the pot - Just let it go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFxplr326 View Post
    Ok we get the point... Let the horse die already. Stop stirring the pot - Just let it go.
    It's an INTERNET thread... I would love it to die too but if people still want to discuss it let 'em.

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