Jr.s/Explorers using lights?

[FDNYco10]

As nice as it would be to use lights going up to the firehouse there is really no point for us juniors/explorers to use them since we don't have much experience going into a building and also the fact that all we really do on the scene is get tools, change sbca bottles, etc. Also leaving school to go to a firecall? I know everyone would want to do that but there is no point missing class and having to make up all that work.

[st42stephenAFT]

Also leaving school to go to a firecall? I know everyone would want to do that but there is no point missing class and having to make up all that work.

There was a thread around here somewhere on that topic that went on for pages and pages and pages. I think that everyone got fed up with that topic finally.

[GTRider245]

As nice as it would be to use lights going up to the firehouse there is really no point for us juniors/explorers to use them since we don't have much experience going into a building and also the fact that all we really do on the scene is get tools, change sbca bottles, etc. Also leaving school to go to a firecall? I know everyone would want to do that but there is no point missing class and having to make up all that work.

So then why would it be "nice"?

[ExplorerLt1991]

So then why would it be "nice"?

Is that a serious question?

[GTRider245]

Is that a serious question?

Yes, it is. Please elaborate.

[st42stephenAFT]

Could it be the infamous "bcz croosin to da station wiff my lite wud make me 2 kool!".

I hope not.

[BLSboy]

For the love of God, let this die.

[ExplorerLt1991]

Yes, it is. Please elaborate.

That was a rhetorical question... nvm.

[ExplorerLt1991]

I know everyone would want to do that but there is no point missing class and having to make up all that work.

That's why...

[NWOhio157]

For the love of God, let this die.

For the love of God, Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, PLEASE let this die.

[ndvfdff33]

For the love of God, Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, PLEASE let this die.

Well if you would stop posting maybe it would!!!















Damn. Now I'm keeping this going. Oh well.

[SuperDoc8404]

The kid that posted this thread is smart. He doesnt think its cool for Jrs to have lights. They shouldnt for obvious reasons. But lets stop going overboard with the attacks every time some one types lights. No one likes a whacker but lets not get carried away. When I was like 5 I would stare at my dads flashing lights on his patrol car. but I grew up. I use lights as a tool to help keep me and the public safe. Jrs will grow out of it or atleast hopefully be mature about light use. How about teaching proper use instead of just saying Im better then you because Im not a whacker. Please!

[fitzjr11]

Our "probies" can't use lights, so I can't see why a Jr would need a light. A light on your car only makes you go faster, you are an "extra" at the scene, the call will go on with or with out you. So no, I see no reason why a Jr would need a light.

[NWOhio157]

Ok we get the point... Let the horse die already. Stop stirring the pot - Just let it go.

[ExplorerLt1991]

Ok we get the point... Let the horse die already. Stop stirring the pot - Just let it go.

It's an INTERNET thread... I would love it to die too but if people still want to discuss it let 'em.

[KEEPBACK200FEET]

Ok we get the point... Let the horse die already. Stop stirring the pot - Just let it go.

One time my horse died...and we didn't stop stirring the pot until he was good and done.

[firechick337]

Ok we get the point... Let the horse die already. Stop stirring the pot - Just let it go.

I have a statement. I know if my Explorers read this thread the first thing they will ask is.....what is a blue light?? They will assume its a Kmart thing, bluelight special! Here in Ohio we run with red lights, if any of my kids read this...other states, Indiana for example, run with bluelights not red. Red is reserved for the police.

Thats all. Now put this one to sleep boys and girls. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Cappy05]

Boy o hboy I read a few posts in and I need to reply.

Number one

Common sense and research shows that an experienced adult trained driver has a hypertensive reaction when lights and sirens are on. The ehart rate increases, blood pressure rises, adrenaline production is increased and etc. It is still difficult but managemable for experienced drivers to stay calm. Now you add in a 16 yo boy who is excited just to be driving you are looking for a recipe for a major disaster.

Number two

I doubt your FD insurance will cover them

Number three

If the parents insurance company finds out that there is lights and/or sirens in a teenager's car the insurance will probably be dropped. Even if there is no accident involved. And another thing is if the teenager is in an accident in which they were not running lights and sirens but the insurance company finds out there are lights and sirens on the vehicle they probably will not cover it. If you do not believe me call your insurance agent and ask or read all of the fine print on your policy. Also check with the insurance agent of the fire department.

Number four

Light must be visible from 360 degrees around the vehicle and meet certain standards of the NFPA. And if anyone has purchased lights latey you will know that is expensive. The Jrs should be encouraged to save that money for school. Lord knows it practically takes a college degree to become a full time firefighter now.

Number five.

This one is going to be a little harsh. Officers, if you are really concerned about the well being and education of your Jrs and simply not them having fun then you will not allow them to have lights and/or sirens. it is best that they watch and learn this at their young age before they are out on there own with them. IT IS DANGEROUS!!!!

Lastly, we want to make our Jrs as much of the department as our FFs, therefore for everyone's safety noone is allowed to have lights and sirens. In our state even when responding to the station for a call all traffic laws are to be aboeyed regardless if you have lights and sirens. Besides I would rather have my people make it to the station in one piece instead of taking a risk of them getting injured as well. This also seperates the people who only what to look the part from the ones that want to do the part.

Sorry but that is my and my department's opinion.

[firechick337]

Boy o hboy I read a few posts in and I need to reply.

Number one

Common sense and research shows that an experienced adult trained driver has a hypertensive reaction when lights and sirens are on. The ehart rate increases, blood pressure rises, adrenaline production is increased and etc. It is still difficult but managemable for experienced drivers to stay calm. Now you add in a 16 yo boy who is excited just to be driving you are looking for a recipe for a major disaster.

Number two

I doubt your FD insurance will cover them

Number three

If the parents insurance company finds out that there is lights and/or sirens in a teenager's car the insurance will probably be dropped. Even if there is no accident involved. And another thing is if the teenager is in an accident in which they were not running lights and sirens but the insurance company finds out there are lights and sirens on the vehicle they probably will not cover it. If you do not believe me call your insurance agent and ask or read all of the fine print on your policy. Also check with the insurance agent of the fire department.

Number four

Light must be visible from 360 degrees around the vehicle and meet certain standards of the NFPA. And if anyone has purchased lights latey you will know that is expensive. The Jrs should be encouraged to save that money for school. Lord knows it practically takes a college degree to become a full time firefighter now.

Number five.

This one is going to be a little harsh. Officers, if you are really concerned about the well being and education of your Jrs and simply not them having fun then you will not allow them to have lights and/or sirens. it is best that they watch and learn this at their young age before they are out on there own with them. IT IS DANGEROUS!!!!

Lastly, we want to make our Jrs as much of the department as our FFs, therefore for everyone's safety noone is allowed to have lights and sirens. In our state even when responding to the station for a call all traffic laws are to be aboeyed regardless if you have lights and sirens. Besides I would rather have my people make it to the station in one piece instead of taking a risk of them getting injured as well. This also seperates the people who only what to look the part from the ones that want to do the part.

Sorry but that is my and my department's opinion.

I just read your post to my husband, the lead advisor of our Explorer Post. He agrees with everything you have written but we were both surprised by the fact that no one on your dept runs lights and sirens while responding to the station for a call. We only have 35 members on our dept and we live in a small community we all are required to run lights and sirens while responding (except the Explorers). I am curious if there is another reason (other than safety) that you dont use lights and sirens? If its to separate the wanna-bes from the dedicated members...that doesnt make sense. Wanna-bes shouldnt be on the dept to begin with, at least thats my opinion. Why waste valuable space on your roster on someone that is just there to "look good in the uniform"? Just curious.
Jami

[BLSboy]

Required to use lights?

Shoot, I cant think of the last time that I used my light to get to a call.