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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    It might also be that folks who were in charge of this activity are doing their jobs with a bit more diligence. There was an FBI agent who was suspicious of some of the Saudi nationals taking flying lessons. The report she published was ignored by her higher ups as being too unlikely.
    So, what you are trying to say is that Bush did a good thing by investing our homeland security, as well as creating DHS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    So, what you are trying to say is that Bush did a good thing by investing our homeland security, as well as creating DHS?
    Dunno. Was the FBI around before 9/11? Have I ever criticized Bush for doing either of the things you mention?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Dunno. Was the FBI around before 9/11? Have I ever criticized Bush for doing either of the things you mention?
    They were around, but they sure didn't prevent it, did they.

    Have you ever gave Bush any credit for anything? It seems all I see out of you is that he's never done anything good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Reagan also raised taxes four times when he realized there wasn't enough trickling down to support the expanded government he had created.


    And what of the people who live there that want us out? The majority of Iraqis want us out ASAP. Do they have no say? Or are we to let the isolated experiences of a single soldier on the ground dictate policy? And how much should I be asked to pay for something he believes is the right thing?

    As I asked CKN. How much more in taxes are you willing to pay to support this effort costing over $10B/month?
    When did you go over there and poll the people? The only ones who want us out are the same people supporting Obama, that would be the radicals

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    When did you go over there and poll the people? The only ones who want us out are the same people supporting Obama, that would be the radicals
    Then the majority of Iraqis must be radicals. The latest polls in the last year+ have all stated their desire we get out. As has the current Iraqi president. I guess he must be a radical as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So one experience is indicative of the entire system? What kind of engineer are you? A domestic engineer?
    I could go on for hours. Like the time I ordered a box of bolts and received a case of M60 machine guns. Or the time we received raw materials for making ship shafts. It sat outside the QC managers office for 4 months. He finally checked it the day before it was to go into production, wrong stuff. Screwed the Navy hard as they had the ship scheduled for dry dock and needed the shaft when it was there.

    Or how it takes months and years to do simple procurements, and then they come in and the procurement person gets the wrong stuff.

    I cold write a book about how inefficient the government systems are. And unfortunately, in many government offices you will find about 25% who are conscientious and hard working. My friend in the DSS complains about it all the time, more than 1/2 screw off most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    They were around, but they sure didn't prevent it, did they.

    Have you ever gave Bush any credit for anything? It seems all I see out of you is that he's never done anything good.
    You stated there have no terrorist attacks on US soil since the Iraq war. I replied it might also be that agencies like the FBI might be doing their jobs more diligently. You went off on the tangent of Bush's creating the DHS.

    If you could focus your argument instead of acting like someone with ADD I might be able to respond in a manner you'll understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I could go on for hours. Like the time I ordered a box of bolts and received a case of M60 machine guns. Or the time we received raw materials for making ship shafts. It sat outside the QC managers office for 4 months. He finally checked it the day before it was to go into production, wrong stuff. Screwed the Navy hard as they had the ship scheduled for dry dock and needed the shaft when it was there.

    Or how it takes months and years to do simple procurements, and then they come in and the procurement person gets the wrong stuff.

    I cold write a book about how inefficient the government systems are. And unfortunately, in many government offices you will find about 25% who are conscientious and hard working. My friend in the DSS complains about it all the time, more than 1/2 screw off most of the time.
    Correct me if I'm wrong. The entity you're describing is a contractor. Part of the "efficient" business community to whom you swear allegiance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    So what? The guy is actually out there fighting this war. 80% of his brothers and sisters in the military agree with him that McCain is the person to lead as Commander-in-Chief.

    Sadly, many of their votes won't even be counted for some reason or another. 98% of Virginia's soldiers are expected to have their absentee ballots discarded because they have to have a notary witness their vote. Not many of them out there in the field, are there. I think it was another 50-60% of military votes that haven't been delivered or won't be delivered in time to count.
    yea, isn't it funny how the liberals tried to keep out military absentee ballots. They did it in 2000 and they have tried this year. It's sad that those who defend this country can't have their vote counted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geinandputitout View Post
    Another fallacy. If we fight them there, we won't have to fight them here. It's like shooting fish in a barrel around here today.
    Actually, there has been a build up of Al Qaida and radicals in Iraq to fight against the infidels. Perhaps you should go over there and help your friends in Al Qaida

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I never said that Reagan stated any reason for his tax hikes. But hey, maybe Reagan raised taxes because he realized the feds were collecting too much money and needed more.



    That will be changing soon. The President is able to head off those interests in congress via procedural manuvering. It's why it is important Obama wins on Tuesday.


    Red herring.
    Problem here is that the President doesn't raise taxes. According to the U.S. constitution, that is reserved for the Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    It might also be that folks who were in charge of this activity are doing their jobs with a bit more diligence. There was an FBI agent who was suspicious of some of the Saudi nationals taking flying lessons. The report she published was ignored by her higher ups as being too unlikely.
    Yes, there are thousands of reports filed each day. Compiling all of that information and figuring out which is most important is most difficult for all except the Monday Morning Quarterback

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You stated there have no terrorist attacks on US soil since the Iraq war. I replied it might also be that agencies like the FBI might be doing their jobs more diligently. You went off on the tangent of Bush's creating the DHS.

    If you could focus your argument instead of acting like someone with ADD I might be able to respond in a manner you'll understand.
    And those who are doing their job more diligently can include such people as the POTUS, can it not? Kind of like creating agencies specialized for that kind of work instead of ignoring them for the next guy to deal with?

    It's hardly a tangent when you consider security of our country falls under the responsibility of not only the FBI, but such agencies as DHS, the CIA, TSA, border patrol, the military, etc. If it weren't for the actions of President Bush and Congress after 9/11, Lord knows what else we might have had happen. It's a shame it came a few thousand lives too late.

    Try to keep up, it's hardly a single person/agency that deals with such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    If it weren't for the actions of President Bush and Congress after 9/11, Lord knows what else we might have had happen. It's a shame it came a few thousand lives too late.

    Try to keep up, it's hardly a single person/agency that deals with such things.
    Wow. Such praise for groups that are doing the jobs they should have been doing all along.

    And I like how you include a hypothetical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Then the majority of Iraqis must be radicals. The latest polls in the last year+ have all stated their desire we get out. As has the current Iraqi president. I guess he must be a radical as well.
    Polls show that al quada wants us out too!

    We better go!

    This world is too dangerous for amateur hour. I shudder to think of Obama sitting down and chatting with these jokers with no preconditions...

    They are gonna walk all over him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Polls show that al quada wants us out too!

    We better go!
    Straw man argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    This world is too dangerous for amateur hour. I shudder to think of Obama sitting down and chatting with these jokers with no preconditions...

    They are gonna walk all over him.
    This is what's known as a fever swamp.

    Fear is all that is left in this campaign since everything else has failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    I heard on Fox and other less reputable news organs that Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is McCain's pick for Vice President.
    She's bring her experience to the table PLUS how is Obama/Biden going to gripe about the pick.Obama had a chance to nominate a woman and didn't.
    Best of all,Hillary is going to be so far up a tree about not getting picked it won't be funny.
    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08...ate-on-friday/

    Okay,maybe I can get this link to work.Too many moving parts....
    While I support none of the candidates running, it looks like the RNC's pick of Palin was a mistake. They went with style as opposed to experience. The mistake was proved by the polls. It also looks like the Democrats will maintain control of both houses with the possibility of a filibuster-proof senate. I think the Republican party as we know it is finished. Time for them to step back and work on rebuilding the party's core platform. Otherwise they could be looking at being a minor party for years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Fear is all that is left in this campaign since everything else has failed.
    Yes, we are afraid. Very afraid.

    It's not enough to look and sound presidential. It's not enough to be the "anti-bush" candidate. You have to offer substance and real policies.

    You have to be ready for the job. Have the experience and leadership qualities that have been proven by something other than soundbites in this drive-by media world we live in.

    Already, the tax cuts for those who make less than 250 thousand are being toned down and history is being changed. It went to 200k...then to 150k... The liberals are preparing to pull the rug out, be ready!

    The Chairman's health plan will be so costly that it too will have to be changed. Be ready for that one, I am sure the alternate plan will be socialized medicine.

    It comes down to trust. I don't trust the snake oil salesman from Illinois. Not one bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamewell45 View Post
    While I support none of the candidates running, it looks like the RNC's pick of Palin was a mistake. They went with style as opposed to experience. The mistake was proved by the polls. It also looks like the Democrats will maintain control of both houses with the possibility of a filibuster-proof senate. I think the Republican party as we know it is finished. Time for them to step back and work on rebuilding the party's core platform. Otherwise they could be looking at being a minor party for years to come.
    Actually an Obama victory and four years of his bastardized version of socialism will ensure the republican victory in four years.

    The question is how much damage will be done by then.

    If Palin is the reason you aren't voting republican, then you are missing the point. Don't let SNL be the litmus test for political candidates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Yes, we are afraid. Very afraid.....It comes down to trust. I don't trust the snake oil salesman from Illinois. Not one bit.
    More from the fever swamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Actually an Obama victory and four years of his bastardized version of socialism will ensure the republican victory in four years.

    The question is how much damage will be done by then.

    If Palin is the reason you aren't voting republican, then you are missing the point. Don't let SNL be the litmus test for political candidates.
    Honestly, I don't trust any of the candidates to serve as President or Vice-President. I'll most likely end up writing my name in for President; while i don't know the first thing about running this country; at least i'm honest and thats more then they are. Americans need someone who can be honest with them for a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    More from the fever swamp.
    Another great contribution to the thread.

    It's okay, this is actually more entertaining then the silliness you usually post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Another great contribution to the thread.

    It's okay, this is actually more entertaining then the silliness you usually post.
    As opposed to the entertainment you provide with fear, hypotheticals, and outright lies you post.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    I'm certainly no big fan of liberal or democrat politics, but I have to agree on one point. Get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Afghanistan was semi defensible in the aftermath of 9-11 due to the Taliban sheltering Al Quaeda, after a few years, let them go back to the form of governance they have had for centuries which seems to bounce between fuedal warlords, theocracy and anarchy. As far as Iraq, the original reasons for going in have proved to be a load of horse puckeys and staying there has cost America over 4000 of their best and brightest plus a large number of British as well as other coalition force personnel. Why exactly does anyone think that the west needs to be there? I think its bloody well time for the western governments to stay the hell home and quit trying to export democracy. It doesn't travel well and certainly the mess thats Iraq and Afghanistan should prove that to everyone. Plain and simple, its not worth the cost in human terms to even be there, let alone continue this idiocy. For the most part, people in the world deserve the type of government they have in place. Some exceptions, but who put us in charge of deciding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    I'm certainly no big fan of liberal or democrat politics, but I have to agree on one point. Get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Afghanistan was semi defensible in the aftermath of 9-11 due to the Taliban sheltering Al Quaeda, after a few years, let them go back to the form of governance they have had for centuries which seems to bounce between fuedal warlords, theocracy and anarchy. As far as Iraq, the original reasons for going in have proved to be a load of horse puckeys and staying there has cost America over 4000 of their best and brightest plus a large number of British as well as other coalition force personnel. Why exactly does anyone think that the west needs to be there? I think its bloody well time for the western governments to stay the hell home and quit trying to export democracy. It doesn't travel well and certainly the mess thats Iraq and Afghanistan should prove that to everyone. Plain and simple, its not worth the cost in human terms to even be there, let alone continue this idiocy. For the most part, people in the world deserve the type of government they have in place. Some exceptions, but who put us in charge of deciding?

    Spoken from someone who apparently has zero interests in stabilizing the region. You would seem to argue that the world is worse off with not having
    Saddam Hussein in power over there. Or keeping the dirtbags who would harm us at bay or killing them before they kill us.

    As for the loss of life...are you really that concerend with deaths? Think big picture and long term. No one wants to loose soldiers to war but the isolationist position you take is one based in naivte. By just about any metric that was one of our most successful wars. In the minimal loss of life as compared to any other war.

    As for letting our enemies expand their empires and influence by pushing their form of government (or oppression in many cases) we will continue to find ourselves having to defend our friends and most likely find ourselves at the mercy of them, as many of their actions circle around energy and resources (Russia-Georgia for example).

    FTM-PTB
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