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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    It's my understanding that you now CAN get a 'scope with a pump and a tank(300 gal).At the time I checked,it would be in the million to mil two five range. T.C.
    I would like to see our department stay with a Aerialscope product, as I am not on the truck commitee any more, my input go's in one ear and out the other at our fire company meetings !


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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodbridgeFFII View Post
    The fire district elections that we have here every year in the month of Feb, for the yearly operating budget & to elect fire commissioners has very few voters that turn out to vote. Most people don't know of any fire district election or care untill there taxes go up then they complain. most of the voters will be firefighters, and a few seniors, etc ! The million dollar truck" bond issue "will be spread out over maybe 15 - 20 years, with a cost of about $ 55,000 per year added to the budget that is in affect now .
    So basically you have a special election vote to pass the fire budget and hope that nobody notices until after the fact when their taxes go up ?????

    Sure seems like a good way to get shot down next time around.

    55k additional per year on top of existing bonds. That almost 1/2 our entire annual budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    So basically you have a special election vote to pass the fire budget and hope that nobody notices until after the fact when their taxes go up ?????

    Sure seems like a good way to get shot down next time around.

    55k additional per year on top of existing bonds. That almost 1/2 our entire annual budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    So basically you have a special election vote to pass the fire budget and hope that nobody notices until after the fact when their taxes go up ?????

    Sure seems like a good way to get shot down next time around.

    55k additional per year on top of existing bonds. That almost 1/2 our entire annual budget.

    Good luck
    Here in the state of New Jersey all fire district budget elections are held during the month of FEB , every year. a special election to vote for a New Apparatus or building addition etc. can happen any time during the year , but by state law it must be advertized in the local news paper in the public notice section 14-21 days before a election is held.There is nothing to hide from the taxpayers, there is just a very low turnout of voters every time.This year our budget was the lowest in the township of Woodbridge, N.J. at $ 400,000, and other districts with payed guys are at $ 5 -6 million per year. As of the past few years we budget $ 25,000 of capital money towards new apparatus every year, so at $ 55K it will double !

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    OK my bad for not understanding the process in NJ. Still sounds like a tough sell to double the capitol account for the next 20 years without allowing for any additional capitol spending during that period.

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    To be fair while your district had the lowest budget at $400,000 your tax rate was the fifth highest of the nine districts at .514 cents per $100 of acessed value. The highest district with a five million plus dollar budget and almost thirty paid firefighters has a rate of .77 per $100. The two lowest districts each with almost two million dollar budgets and a few full time inspectors each have rates of .284 per $100 and .299 per $100.
    So since your district does not have the geographical size or tax base the impact to the taxes is larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodbridgeFFII View Post
    My plan to have our Mack/Baker Aerialscope refurbed/remounted was turned down by other members of the department and by the fire commisoners.Instead there will be a special fire district election to be held on Sept 13, 2008 to approve or disapprove the following: Shall the fire district be authorized to purchase a new Tower Ladder Quint fire truck in 2009 and issue bonds in an amount not to exceed $ 1,025,000 to finance such purchase.Now it will be up to the voters to pass or turn down the new apparatus, a refurb/remount could have saved the town $ 300,000 !!
    How did your election go? I cant find the results online anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by affd046 View Post
    How did your election go? I cant find the results online anywhere.
    The board of fire commissioners had " CANCELLED " the special election to purchase a new tower ladder a few days before the vote was to take place. They say that we don't need a aerial apparatus, as our Mack/baker 75' sits in the fire house out of service because they let the vehicle insurance expire and can not be used if a fire breakes out. I will keep everyone up to date with the latest news, there is a board meeting on 9/23/08 starting at 7: pm !
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    Just make sure that whatever you do, you dont let a Mfr. Sales Rep write your specs for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Just make sure that whatever you do, you dont let a Mfr. Sales Rep write your specs for you.
    The specs read something like this: A 75' midmount platform device, built with box boom construction with a Max O.A.L. of 42', how many bidders do you think there will be .We hope to have some residents,taxpayers at the meeting to see all the problems we are having with the board of fire commissioners that were elected by the voters.
    The only people at the meetings are the firefighters !!
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    After a 3 hour open public meeting with the 5 Board Of Fire Commissioners, residents, firefighters, and mutual aid, the board voted 4-1 in favor of getting a new 75' tower ladder to cost $ 950,000 plus. now a election must be advertized in the local news paper 21 days before the election date when the taxpayers will go to decide a ( YES or NO ) on a $ 1,0000.25 bond issue . If the vote fails it's back to the drawing board again and maybe purchase a rebuilt or used apparatus !
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    I was looking for some info online about your company, but apparently Keasbey doesn't have a website. Anyway, from what I can tell, you guys are one of nine districts in the township? What is the size of your district, how many fire calls (not EMS) a year do you run to, and how many of those are legit working fires (your own, not mutual aid)? I'm curious because looking at the site below, you guys are surrounded by aerials, including from what I can see at least 2 tower ladders (1 rearmount, 1 midmount) and 3 rearmount sticks. How much of a need is there, really, given that your Scope has apparently been in mothballs? Would it not be more cost effective for the taxpayers of the township for you guys to just arrange AMA with a neighboring district for an aerial? Are all the companies in the township that busy with working fires that you each have to have your own aerial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauffer6 View Post
    I was looking for some info online about your company, but apparently Keasbey doesn't have a website. Anyway, from what I can tell, you guys are one of nine districts in the township? What is the size of your district, how many fire calls (not EMS) a year do you run to, and how many of those are legit working fires (your own, not mutual aid)? I'm curious because looking at the site below, you guys are surrounded by aerials, including from what I can see at least 2 tower ladders (1 rearmount, 1 midmount) and 3 rearmount sticks. How much of a need is there, really, given that your Scope has apparently been in mothballs? Would it not be more cost effective for the taxpayers of the township for you guys to just arrange AMA with a neighboring district for an aerial? Are all the companies in the township that busy with working fires that you each have to have your own aerial?

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    We have been a ladder company for over 23 years with our Mack/Baker 75' Scope, we avg 350-400 calls per year as we run together with district #8. Our tower is the only aerial in the southern section of Woodbridge Twp which covers Fords, Keasbey & Hopelawn. We have mutual aid from the city of Perth Amboy if a second truck is needed. The Woodbridge Township mutual aid coordinator ( MAC ) is in charge of moving apparatus to and from any location in the township when there is a structure fire and not the fire chief on scene. Also it is very difficuct to get a 100 ft aerial ladder into most of our garden appartment complexes with the very narrow streets and parking lots after 2 engines have layed hose lines down for supply. A 75' MM platform is about the only size apparatus that can maneuver threw our small streets in the fire district #4 & #8. Our firefighters have tried to save the taxpayers money buy purchasing a used 1991 Mack Baker Aerialscope for $ 59,990 (2-3 months )back, we put a $ 1,000 deposit down with our own money and were going to local business owners for donations to cover the cost of the apparatus. The board of fire commissioners was against the idea and told us that we would be sued if we bring that truck into the fire house, this is the apparatus we looked at !
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodbridgeFFII View Post
    We have been a ladder company for over 23 years with our Mack/Baker 75' Scope, we avg 350-400 calls per year as we run together with district #8. Our tower is the only aerial in the southern section of Woodbridge Twp which covers Fords, Keasbey & Hopelawn. We have mutual aid from the city of Perth Amboy if a second truck is needed. The Woodbridge Township mutual aid coordinator ( MAC ) is in charge of moving apparatus to and from any location in the township when there is a structure fire and not the fire chief on scene. Also it is very difficuct to get a 100 ft aerial ladder into most of our garden appartment complexes with the very narrow streets and parking lots after 2 engines have layed hose lines down for supply. A 75' MM platform is about the only size apparatus that can maneuver threw our small streets in the fire district 4 & 8 !
    Sounds like you need to call Tony and get a shopping cart. :-}
    Then you wouldn't need to worry about maneuverability in your garden apts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    Sounds like you need to call Tony and get a shopping cart. :-}
    Then you wouldn't need to worry about maneuverability in your garden apts.
    The board of fire commissioners has a bid from Seagrave Aerialscope costing $ 950,000 for a (2009) model 75ft Aerialscope with ( no pump or water tank ). Next year it is going up a extra $ 30,000 we were told !In the year 2010 the whole Township Of Woodbridge is going to change radio systems to a " TRUNKED SYSTEM " with every police car , ems vehicle , fire truck , hand held portables , base stations, needing new equipment etc. at a cost of $ 10 MILLION that will be put on the taxpayers !
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    Quote Originally Posted by THTMAN View Post
    Anyone know how Hershey, PA likes the refurb of their Aerialscope? Also did they reuse the body and only replace the chassis or did they replace both?

    Hershey did a re-mount like we did onto a Pierce chassis. I understand they had a few gliches when it first came in but they should be taken care of by now.
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    I've heard that Harrisburg is now doing the same.
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    Woody, could you please realign the zeros or comma on the radio figure please. Can't tell what they're paying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfyre View Post
    Hershey did a re-mount like we did onto a Pierce chassis. I understand they had a few gliches when it first came in but they should be taken care of by now.
    http://www.hersheyfire.org/apparatus.html

    I've heard that Harrisburg is now doing the same.
    The board turned down my idea to refurb/remount the old Scope, they said that they did not want to put " OLD JUNK " on a new chassis cab !

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    Smile Ladder Truck Makes Front Page News!

    In todays sunday paper the Homenews Tribune there is a story on our department trying to purchase a new tower ladder apparatus, www.mycentraljersey.com can someone post the story on this tread ?

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    Dispute heats up in Woodbridge over vote to buy $1 million fire truck

    By RICK MALWITZ
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    The Board of Commissioners of Fire District 4 in Keasbey concluded a contentious three-hour meeting this week by voting to allow the residents of Keasbey to decide if they should spend as much as $1.025 million to purchase a new ladder truck.

    A new truck would replace a 1971 model that has been out of commission since Friday, Sept. 5, when it was learned the ladder truck had been going on service calls without insurance since January, and without registration since February.

    The commissioners voted by a 4-1 margin Tuesday, Sept. 23 to hold a special election that is likely to take place Saturday, Oct. 25. If the voters approve the proposal the homeowners will see their local property tax increased by about $100 annually for 10 years, according to Tom Kolarick, chief of the fire company.

    Though the volunteers who operate the truck would not reject a new model, several members made clear Tuesday night they would be satisfied with a refurbished model - as it has done since 1984, when it purchased its existing ladder truck from the Fire Department of New York.

    "If we did that way again it'd be much easier on the taxpayers," said Thomas Barry, president of the fire company.

    The lone member of the board to vote against holding a special election was Bill Kunie, who said a $1 million truck is not needed, and is too expensive for residents of Keasbey.

    He said when the Woodbridge Fire Department purchased a ladder truck the cost was absorbed by 20,000 residents in Woodbridge proper, while the Keasbey section of the township has only 2,000 residents.

    Woodbridge has $756 million in ratables, nearly 10 times greater than Keasbey's $76 million. The fire district budget for Woodbridge, $5.3 million, dwarfs Keasbey's $389,000.

    Two years ago the Woodbridge Fire Department obtained a 2006 American LaFrance ladder truck with a 7-year lease. The lease payments will total $706,339, said Patrick Kenny, president of the Woodbridge Board of Commissioners. After seven years the department can purchase the truck for $1.

    Members of the Keasbey company went as far as shopping on their own for a used ladder truck, putting down a $1,000 deposit on a truck being sold by a department in Annandale. The sale price was $60,000, and about $500,000 would be needed to refurbish the truck.

    However, commissioner Joseph Dancs threatened to sue the company, if it purchased a truck on its own.

    "That's our job," said Dancs, who, during one heated exchange Tuesday night, referred to the volunteers as a "bunch of kids."

    During another exchange he told Kolarick, "I drove trucks before you were born."

    One firefighter demanded that Kunie apologize for calling the members "spoiled volunteers" at a previous public meeting. While Kunie acknowledged saying that, he did not apologize.

    When members of the company chided Dancs for allowing the registration to lapse in February, Dancs said that should never prevent the firefighters from taking the vehicle to fight a fire.

    "You ain't going to put it out with a registration," said Dancs, who volunteered to pay a fine if police gave the company a ticket for driving without a registration.

    However, the truck will remain grounded until the matter of the insurance is cleared up.

    Following the public meeting attorney Mark Rothman, who represented the commissioners, told Kolarick the matters of insurance and registration will be given the highest priority.

    About 40 members of the public attended the meeting, though not all of them stuck it out for three hours. Most members who spoke said the commissioners should not compromise on safety, and said acquisition of a new ladder truck is a priority.

    The lone voice of dissent was Angelene Fleming, a resident of South Maplewood Avenue, who said a $1 million truck was too expensivefor the taxpayers. She said when there was a fire at her home about 25 years ago a truck from Woodbridge arrived on the scene prior to the arrival of a truck from Keasbey.

    Last weekend members of the department distributed flyers to residents of the Florida Grove Manor of Keasbey warning about the danger of having the ladder truck grounded.

    Kunie accused those who distributed the flyers as being "fear mongers."

    After Kunie cast the lone no vote on the motion to hold a special election, four yes votes were cast by commissioners Stephen Roman, Robert Kondrk, Martin Klose and Dancs.

    Rick Malwitz: 732-565-7291; Rmalwitz@mycentraljersey.com

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