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    Default Firearm question....

    I know this is a odd question to ask on a firefighting forum, but I am asking for advice from you gun owners and enthusiast.....

    I already own two 9mm's. I am looking at buying a .45 and have narrowed my choices to three types and need some advice. My choices are...

    Kimber 1911 .45 (not sure which specific model yet)
    H&K HK45
    Sig Sauer P220 .45

    If any of you fellas own either of these I would love your feedback. I would love to get all three of them, but limited to one right now. I basically want it for recreational purposes since I enjoy shooting, but am also considering personal protection and possible competition reasons. Thanks for any and all advice.

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    The sigs are nice weapons. they are also very expensive. It has been said that the sig barrel is the best stock barrle you can buy. I have a Glock .40 and I love it. Pretty much cant break it. Only thing I am considering is buying an aftermarket barrle for it made by sig. I cant speak for the other two brands you have listed because i am not familiar with them at all. A glock is not a bad choice to look into also.

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    If you are considering any sort of competition, IDPA or IPSC, go with a 1911. I have a Colt 1911 that has been modified tremendously for IPSC. I would get a Springfield as my next. I have heard from a lot of the guys that I used to shoot with that the Kimbers are a little tight out of the box and need to be broken in.
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    The Kimber is in my opinion is the way to go. Their low end model (Kimber Custom II) comes right out of the box with about all the upgrades you need to start out with shooting competive. Where a Springfield you would have to drop some more change to bring it up to factory kimber specs. The prices are about the same. Some of the factory upgrades for the Custom II are a match grade hammer and trigger, full lenght guide rod, lowered and flared ejection port, and bevelled magazine well. You would need to buy these udgrades seperate for a Springfield. Nothing wrong with Springfield or any other brands you mentioned I would proudly own all of them, but I'm just partial to my Kimber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinFFVFD View Post
    I know this is a odd question to ask on a firefighting forum, but I am asking for advice from you gun owners and enthusiast.....

    I already own two 9mm's. I am looking at buying a .45 and have narrowed my choices to three types and need some advice. My choices are...

    Kimber 1911 .45 (not sure which specific model yet)
    H&K HK45
    Sig Sauer P220 .45

    If any of you fellas own either of these I would love your feedback. I would love to get all three of them, but limited to one right now. I basically want it for recreational purposes since I enjoy shooting, but am also considering personal protection and possible competition reasons. Thanks for any and all advice.
    One of the guys I work with's second job is as a firearms dealer and weapons instructor. I asked him to give you some info...

    "All three are good guns, Kimber is about the best for 1911s out of the box that you can get.

    Sig and H&K are both very good guns too it's just going to be personal preference; handle them both and see what they feel like and what features you like about each."
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    the sig is a very nice gun, i like the way it fits in my hand, the Kimbar is possibly the best 1911 out of the box. i like the way the Sig P220 recoils in your hand too, it feels more like a push back insted of flipping up like a 1911 will, and is seems to line up quicker for a shot then a 1911. just my .02

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    I have a sig and love it.

    All of your choices are great really, not much difference in quality.

    Just stay way away from Glock....they are junk in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey View Post
    Just stay way away from Glock....they are junk in my opinion.
    I'm curious as to why that is your opinion of the Glock.
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    I own a Kimber, would not trade it for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEPBACK200FEET View Post
    I'm curious as to why that is your opinion of the Glock.
    I guess I am a minority when it comes to not liking Glocks.

    I guess it was all in what I was trained in I guess. I was a deputy sheriff in my county for 6 years and they only used Beretta .40's but I wanted to try different weapons.

    Here is why...

    1. Don't like the tabbed trigger. That is esentially the safety. The tab isn't pushed, it don't fire. Don't like that there isn't a safety I can activate on the side.

    2. I don't like the fact that they won't fire with one in the chamber and no magazine inside. I guess this would depend on the situation but if I was fighting with a bad guy for my weapon, he gets it, and I can eject the magazine, I will be safe. If roles are reversed, I guess it wouldn't be in my favor.

    3. I have seen and heard horror stories of some maintenance problems. I guess these are minor due to their huge popularity.

    4. I simply don't like the way it feels in my hand. Feels to boxy and uncomfortable. I like the feel of a Sig, Beretta, or H&K much better. (Even though an H&K isn't much different from a Glock)

    5. Just my opinion I guess. I seem to be a minority though.
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    Dicky- Are you kidding me? There are so many positives to a Glock. I wont go into it right now, but my Glock WILL fire with the magazine removed and a round chambered.

    To the original poster, I would go with a Glock first, but since that isnt on your list, I would go with a Sig. Sure, they are pricey, but were talking a lifetime investment here.

    As for Kimber, I would never buy one. Not reliable and too bulky in my hand.

    HK, I dont like the slide release, but thats all.

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    The Sig P220 is the nicest shooting double action .45 I've ever fired. I've shot a couple different Kimber pistols; both were very well made & handled well, but I'm just not a huge single action fan. If possible, shoot any you're considering, and then decide. Good luck!

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    Thanks to everyone for your posts. I am leaning more towards the 1911 .45 because I am thinking about competitions and plus the fact that it is a 1911 .45. The reason I mentioned Kimber is because I was told that basically Kimber is the best 1911 you can get. I have shot a Springfield Armory 1911 .45. I shot great exect for the one round that got jammed back into the extractor and I had to take my keys and pry the casing off of the extractor.

    The range I go to has gun rentals but only in 1911, Beretta and Glock. I don't know of any other places around me that I could shoot a Sig or H&K to get a feel.

    A buddy of mine is a police officer. They are issues Beretta 92FS 9mm, but they are about to switch to a SIG.
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    West German made Sigarms P220 for $425.

    You can buy this, send it to Sigarms for a recondition, which would include a Sigarms Armorer looking over it, and replacing all the springs and worn parts, and install night sights if you like.

    Unless you're dead set on having a rail, this is the way to go IMHO.

    If you're looking at 1911's I'd recommend a Springfield before a Kimber, unless you go with the standard Warrior or Desert Warrior. Kimber uses a sloppier trigger system than Springfields.
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    Exclamation Sig.

    I dont even know why your looking anything other than the sigarms...

    Get the Sigarms, youll be happy.

    Performance, reliability, reputation...sigarms is 2nd to none.

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    Depending on which type of competition you are looking at, this may also help your decision. You will most likely start out as a stock shooter. Once you get the bug, and you will, you will want to modify and change what you already have. The 1911 is the easiest style to get parts for and modify.

    As for the Glock, I hate them too. They feel too much like a toy and feel very plasticy when shooting. Not a big Sig fan for one reason, the lack of manula safeties. I am a big fan of having to manually trip a safety for personal use. For cops, the lack of safety is OK.
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    Well since I too do not like glocks, I would look at XD's and M&P's. I am a Walther guy myself and while the P99 is not chambered in 45 SW does make a SW99 (very similar to Walther, but some parts made in US), you can get a SW99 in 45. If you can find one, give it a look.

    If its for an everyday shooter, I would rather buy a service type pistol like the M&P and others rather than spend big bucks on a 1911.

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    Well, another thing I suppose I should mention (and I know to some of you this may seem ridiculous) but I prefer a handgun with a hammer on it. I don't know why, but I like hammered handguns over non-hammered. I bought a Ruger P95 which is hammered and then I bought a Taurus 24/7 Pro which does not have one. I actually like the Ruger better, but the Taurus is not a bad gun.

    I found out that a few officers here carry H&K's. They like them as a duty weapon, but they say because of its large frame it would not be good for concealed carry, and they didn't really recommend it for competition.

    Well I'm down to the Sig and the 1911.

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    First- SIG DOES MAKE A 1911 and I will put it up against a Kimber anyday! Here is your link- http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...?categoryid=25

    Second- I like a gun with out a hammer. In a struggle, its one less thing to get caught on something. The Glock is a clean, no BS design make for ease. No extra levers, switchs, etc. It has 3 internal safeties and is a point and shot gun right out of the box. Super reliable, durable and easy to maintain.

    Third- I like Glock. About 50% less moving parts than the average handgun and they have no screws. Over 60% of the nation's law enforcement are carrying them and they will stand up to anything. Dont believe me? Check out the Glock 21 torture test.

    Lastly- I love Sigs too. I own one of them, but wont fire it because its 100% new and I just rather beat up the Glocks instead.

    For more info, check out The Sig Forums here.
    And check out Glock Talk here.

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    The Sheriff's Department here carries the Glock 22 (I believe that right, it's a .40 cal). They absolutely swear by Glock. One of the guys I was talking to on the department is a Glock armorer and knows all the insides and outsides of Glocks.

    I shot a Glock 19 (believe that to be 9mm) a few weeks ago and was extremely impressed by its accuracy. IDK, I suppose it would be a good choice, but in all of the videos I watch of competition shooting I never saw many Glocks, or at least I didn't notice them, but I saw a lot of 1911's.

    But all in all you area correct, in a real shooting situation you want to deal with the least amount of manual switches, buttons and so forth.

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    Walther P99...easier take down than the glock, torture tested, accurate, Good enough for Bond....German Engineering at its best!


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    Owned a Sig 220 and 239, both fantastic weapons. I'm not sure if your looking for a CCW weapon but you might want to consider some things. The 220 is big gun, also when i had mine high cap magazines were banned on new guns, so i'm not sure if it will except a hi-cap magazines. The 1911 style gun in my opinion is the most accurate out of the box. No experience with the H&K but i know they make fine weapons. If you have no experience with a Glock check them out, they are great weapons and they offer alot of different models in the .45 from a compact to a full size.

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    Sorry Bou....just don't like em. I think my biggest hang up is the tabbed trigger.

    Or could just be old school stubborness too!

    I've done just about everything with my Beretta .40 96F and I'm just used to it I guess. But I love Sigs too.....maybe that can be our common ground?
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    Hk makes a compact USP but if your gonna go HK, go HK Mk 23...

    its a beast but damn if it aint lovable.
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    I have to admit the tabbed trigger was something of getting used to. The only experience I have with stripping weapons down is field stripping in the military cleaning and such...However I took my clock all the way down and it is surprisingly easy to take apart and put back together...and it worked, the glock feel is one i like. I like a weapon that is utilitarian. the boxy feel makes me feel like hey its here to do a job and who cares what it looks like. I have never had a problem, and the safeties are interesting I will say that. but It does protect against not firing unless the trigger is pulled. And my glock (model 22) will fire without a magazine in. plus you can get the full auto mod for it and swap out a couple parts too...lol

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