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    I'm going to stick with what I said before having known what happens on the other side of the story 90% of the time (from the managers point of view). It takes a lot to get a fast food manager on the other side of the counter - usually where I used to work, the manager would take care of the problem from behind the counter and go sit in the office. At least on 10 occasions during the 14 months I was there, someone was being kicked out for making messes or for being immature. I can only think of 1 time the manager went out from behind the counter to ask the kids to leave - can't remember exactly what it was they were doing, but I'm thinking it had something to do with ketchup.
    So basically, I'm saying it's BS that all was fine until the tones dropped and the manager got upset about the pager going off loudly and asked him to leave souly because of the pager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFxplr326 View Post
    I'm going to stick with what I said before having known what happens on the other side of the story 90% of the time (from the managers point of view). It takes a lot to get a fast food manager on the other side of the counter - usually where I used to work, the manager would take care of the problem from behind the counter and go sit in the office. At least on 10 occasions during the 14 months I was there, someone was being kicked out for making messes or for being immature. I can only think of 1 time the manager went out from behind the counter to ask the kids to leave - can't remember exactly what it was they were doing, but I'm thinking it had something to do with ketchup.
    So basically, I'm saying it's BS that all was fine until the tones dropped and the manager got upset about the pager going off loudly and asked him to leave souly because of the pager.
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    more importantly...

    what did you order? Did you already pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFRDxplorer View Post
    I believe it is spelled solely there champ.




    It was good to see you today caller.
    Thanks Jake. Thanks a lot for blowing my confidence out of whack.


    Good to see ya too... not on good terms, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    I guess I'll throw myself on this grenade.

    I think a lot of you guys are way out of line. It is quite apparent that many of you haven't actually read anything this kid has said beyond the first post, if you even finished reading that. You are on bash-the-kid autopilot and are making yourselves look pretty foolish. My suggestion would be to actually read what this poor kid is saying and... ready for this... oh my god... GIVE HIM A CONSTRUCTIVE USEFULL ANSWER. Holy crap, we can't do that. He is just a junior so he must be wrong. Why bother reading it when we can go on auto-flame.

    To start with, nothing the kid said or elluded to has given any indication of immature behavior or inappropriate "showing off". The description of his actions leaves nothing in question and his postings on here are more thought out and mature than many "adults" that have come and gone on FH.com.

    You guys keep telling him he should have gone to the call rather than staying in the restaurant. Yet he has stated several times that it was a TEST page, not an incident page.

    You guys keep telling him should have had it on vibrate. He has stated several times that it is a Minitor II and does not have vibrate. But you keep telling him to use vibrate so obviously some of you are just out to add to the flame fest.

    People keep telling him he should have had it on [alert / silent / bell / whatever you want to call it]. He has stated several times that it was in fact on the bell and therefore was totally silent until the tones went off. But who cares, it is more fun to keep flaming him about it anyway since he's just a kid. Everybody on the bandwagon!!!

    You guys keep saying he should have turned the volume down or reset the pager right away so it didn't keep making noise. Well here's a shocker. He stated several times that he did in fact reset the pager immidiately after it went off. So all it did was go beep beep beep beep and it was silenced. But what the hell, lets add more gas to the flame thrower and just ignore that. My favorite is the one that said he should have reset it faster than right away. Never happy without something to complain about huh?

    The manager wanted the pager off. Not on silent or alert or vibrate. OFF, as in clicked off, powered off, might as well not have a battery in it. I wouldn't do that and I don't think anyone else would either standing in line at a stupid McDonalds. Silent alert mode is more than fine and might as well be off. I would be pretty annoyed too, espcially with all the other idiots blabbing away at the top of their lungs on a cell phone. I would probably just lie and say "yea it is off" since he wouldn't know any better.

    BANG! The sound of the genade I just threw myself on exploding.
    Sorry, I'm not buying it. As I posted in my first post, there are TWO sides to every story. I'm not just going to take this kid's word on a story and then contact this restaurant because he got booted. I still believe there is much more to this story than what is being led to believe.

    As a private business the restaurant reserves the right to enforce what rules they wish. This kid was told to silence the pager and he said no, so he gets the boot. Still no reason for me to call the restaurant and complain. He wants to use the excuse of what if this happens to other firefighters. Well, if the page comes in, you go. Also unless you have kids playing in the playground area, how long are you going to be sticking around the restaurant anyway?

    This story reeks of suspicion and that all the facts are not played out.
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    Whether you believe what he is saying or not is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Most of the people roasting this kid on here haven't even read anything he said to formulate that opinion. People that keep saying "well couldn't you have put it on vibrate" obviously haven't read a single thing.

    If you've read it and you don't believe him, that is fine. Everyone is entitled to that opinion. But that isn't what I'm talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    Whether you believe what he is saying or not is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Most of the people roasting this kid on here haven't even read anything he said to formulate that opinion. People that keep saying "well couldn't you have put it on vibrate" obviously haven't read a single thing.

    If you've read it and you don't believe him, that is fine. Everyone is entitled to that opinion. But that isn't what I'm talking about.
    After his initial post, I challenged him as to why he couldnt simply have reset the pager. Later on, after several others started beating him up, he alters his story to say that it was a "test" and that it lasted less than 5 seconds.

    I originally called BULLSCHIT, and I am still calling BULLSCHIT. I have said it before and I am saying it again- there are two sides to every story, and it is painfully obvious that we are not getting the "other side" here.

    And Juniors/Explorers/Cadets/Whatevers do not need pagers or lights.
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    Awesome post ending right there my freinds...
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    I have worked in a MickyD's as a manager and CANNOT believe that an on-duty manager was that upset by such an occurrence that the individual was thrown out of a restaurant over a loud pager! He also asked us to write letters of complaint in support of his position and most if not all of us told him on and gave resons why we would not do so, such as his believability was a little thin. If you are going to ask for that kind of a response; you had better be willing to calmly and professionally explain why such a response is needed or required and NCVCadet did neither. I am going to post part of his original post:

    "Yesterday afternoon I was kicked out of a local McDonald's because my pager went off while I was inside. The managers told me to either turn my pager off or leave. [b]I refused to turn the pager off so I was kicked out. Any one else find this disturbing? . . . . Cadet Emergency Service Workers are not allowed to have their pagers on inside of this place because it "annoys" others.. . .

    Personally I find the managers to be ungrateful, because, every time those tones go out that means there are people, unselfishly, putting their own lives at risk to help others in need. Clearly whats more important to them is for people to not be "annoyed" by a short 5 second tone, but than again, they don't understand. That's why they work in fast food and not Emergency Services.

    The areas I highlighted in bold show an unbelievable arrogance, not to mention that many people work in fast food and are also volunteers in their towns so your comment was way out of line. I know several fine volunteers that work in retail/fast food. You and NCVCadet need to both take a chill pill and stop with the overblown image of yourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    He's volunteer. Therefore there probably are no shifts in this dept and generally volunteers carry a pager around. Just figured I'd point that out(not that I'm trying to stick up for him).
    I was a volunteer,too.I rarely carried my walkie talkie around town figuring that I'd need it in my turnouts for when the pager went off.That's what pager are for: to call the volunteers in so they can use their radios on the fireground.
    Even when new,I didn't feel the need to have the volume cranked up while on the countywide channel so everyone would know that a vollie was in the house.I'd put it on vibrate(my dept's pagers had that option),turn the volume down or even turn the thing off when I was in line for Scottish food or whereever I was that I didn't need the disturbance.
    Try explaining during a job interview that you won't be dropping everything and running out the door when the pager is blaring away at full war emergency power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    I guess I'll throw myself on this grenade.

    I think a lot of you guys are way out of line. It is quite apparent that many of you haven't actually read anything this kid has said beyond the first post, if you even finished reading that. You are on bash-the-kid autopilot and are making yourselves look pretty foolish. My suggestion would be to actually read what this poor kid is saying and... ready for this... oh my god... GIVE HIM A CONSTRUCTIVE USEFULL ANSWER. Holy crap, we can't do that. He is just a junior so he must be wrong. Why bother reading it when we can go on auto-flame.

    To start with, nothing the kid said or elluded to has given any indication of immature behavior or inappropriate "showing off". The description of his actions leaves nothing in question and his postings on here are more thought out and mature than many "adults" that have come and gone on FH.com.

    You guys keep telling him he should have gone to the call rather than staying in the restaurant. Yet he has stated several times that it was a TEST page, not an incident page.

    You guys keep telling him should have had it on vibrate. He has stated several times that it is a Minitor II and does not have vibrate. But you keep telling him to use vibrate so obviously some of you are just out to add to the flame fest.

    People keep telling him he should have had it on [alert / silent / bell / whatever you want to call it]. He has stated several times that it was in fact on the bell and therefore was totally silent until the tones went off. But who cares, it is more fun to keep flaming him about it anyway since he's just a kid. Everybody on the bandwagon!!!

    You guys keep saying he should have turned the volume down or reset the pager right away so it didn't keep making noise. Well here's a shocker. He stated several times that he did in fact reset the pager immidiately after it went off. So all it did was go beep beep beep beep and it was silenced. But what the hell, lets add more gas to the flame thrower and just ignore that. My favorite is the one that said he should have reset it faster than right away. Never happy without something to complain about huh?

    The manager wanted the pager off. Not on silent or alert or vibrate. OFF, as in clicked off, powered off, might as well not have a battery in it. I wouldn't do that and I don't think anyone else would either standing in line at a stupid McDonalds. Silent alert mode is more than fine and might as well be off. I would be pretty annoyed too, espcially with all the other idiots blabbing away at the top of their lungs on a cell phone. I would probably just lie and say "yea it is off" since he wouldn't know any better.

    BANG! The sound of the genade I just threw myself on exploding.
    That is how I feel most of the time. It is really sad that we have to worry about what people say when we stick up for the explorers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    Whether you believe what he is saying or not is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Most of the people roasting this kid on here haven't even read anything he said to formulate that opinion. People that keep saying "well couldn't you have put it on vibrate" obviously haven't read a single thing.

    If you've read it and you don't believe him, that is fine. Everyone is entitled to that opinion. But that isn't what I'm talking about.
    Point is, despite what this kid is saying, we are not getting the whole story. When I was a volly and had a pager I had the volume up just enough for me to hear it. If it did go off during a pager test you just turned it down. It is common sense. Sure maybe some didn't read the entire thread to see where he states the pager didn't have "vibrate" but a pager DOES have volume control. Doesn't seem like he did that here.

    The reasoning for the "bashing" is the attitude displayed. We only get one side of a story and we are supposed to contact this restaurant to show our displeasure? No. All we are getting is his side of the story, so we can't even judge the facts. It doesn't mean the attitude was correct and this is not the correct way to go about on a complaint. The issue is we see this attitude way to often from those coming into the fire service. This issue is best handled between the individual and the manager, you don't your problems to a PUBLIC forum and call for an action to arms to basically call this restaurant out. It isn't the facts that are being ignored but the attitude presented.
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    By the way, for those of us who know how to silence our pagers....Credit to buckscountyfire.com

    This is for those FD members looking to help out another department with a fund raiser. If youíre in the Bristol Borough/Township area next Monday September 15 stop into the McDonalds at Route 13 and Commerce Park between the hours of 17:00 & 20:00 hours. You are invited to stop by for something to eat. Good Will Hose Co. No. 3 (Station 52) members will be working at the McDonalds during those hours as a fundraiser for percentage of the take at this store during these three hours. If you have duty crews and are able to make the trip, stop by and say Hi. Bring or send your friends & family. We can use the support.


    Edit: ooops...just realized it was this past monday...But the sentiment is still there.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATFDFF View Post
    That is how I feel most of the time. It is really sad that we have to worry about what people say when we stick up for the explorers.
    I disagree. It isn't the fact of sticking up for Explorers, but what you are sticking up for. In this case, it isn't the fact his pager went off, it is how he presents this situation to a public forum. Coming on saying stuff about the manager like "That's why they work in fast food and not Emergency Services" and "I find the managers to be ungrateful". That is a poor attitude and then we don't have any facts except he got kicked out of the restaurant. You don't come onto a public forum and post the restaurant's contact info and have a call to arms. Sorry I will never stick up for any person like this.

    It is fine to stick up for someone if you believe they are right. Not really the case here. Most times an Explorer should be grateful to have the opportunity to learn about the fire service and the job. However, when you come onto a public forum and make statements like this or say that Explorers, etc should carry pagers, or respond emergent in POV's have lights on POV's, do firefighting, or what have you, I do disagree. They are there to learn, that is the primary job. In this case, hopefully the OP learned you don't make a call to arms for an incident where all the facts are unknown, let alone bash the person who gave him the boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jccrabby3084 View Post
    I disagree. It isn't the fact of sticking up for Explorers, but what you are sticking up for. In this case, it isn't the fact his pager went off, it is how he presents this situation to a public forum. Coming on saying stuff about the manager like "That's why they work in fast food and not Emergency Services" and "I find the managers to be ungrateful". That is a poor attitude and then we don't have any facts except he got kicked out of the restaurant. You don't come onto a public forum and post the restaurant's contact info and have a call to arms. Sorry I will never stick up for any person like this.

    It is fine to stick up for someone if you believe they are right. Not really the case here. Most times an Explorer should be grateful to have the opportunity to learn about the fire service and the job. However, when you come onto a public forum and make statements like this or say that Explorers, etc should carry pagers, or respond emergent in POV's have lights on POV's, do firefighting, or what have you, I do disagree. They are there to learn, that is the primary job. In this case, hopefully the OP learned you don't make a call to arms for an incident where all the facts are unknown, let alone bash the person who gave him the boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jccrabby3084 View Post
    I disagree. It isn't the fact of sticking up for Explorers, but what you are sticking up for. In this case, it isn't the fact his pager went off, it is how he presents this situation to a public forum. Coming on saying stuff about the manager like "That's why they work in fast food and not Emergency Services" and "I find the managers to be ungrateful". That is a poor attitude and then we don't have any facts except he got kicked out of the restaurant. You don't come onto a public forum and post the restaurant's contact info and have a call to arms. Sorry I will never stick up for any person like this.

    It is fine to stick up for someone if you believe they are right. Not really the case here. Most times an Explorer should be grateful to have the opportunity to learn about the fire service and the job. However, when you come onto a public forum and make statements like this or say that Explorers, etc should carry pagers, or respond emergent in POV's have lights on POV's, do firefighting, or what have you, I do disagree. They are there to learn, that is the primary job. In this case, hopefully the OP learned you don't make a call to arms for an incident where all the facts are unknown, let alone bash the person who gave him the boot.
    I completely agree with you but more of what I was alluding to was what NDVFD33 said himself; most of the time everyone is on Explorer "Auto-bash". Not just in this thread, but in almost every single one. And if you dont agree, please go read some of the other threads.

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    You're doing it right now. Everything you are saying you would do and he should have done.... HE DID. It beeped. He silenced it. What the hell else do you expect him to do?

    You are all saying "we aren't getting the full story". He has presented his full story. If you chose not to read it, then recuse yourselves from making uninformed commentary. If you actually read it and choose not to believe it, present to reason WHY you don't believe it. Just saying "I don't believe him because... because" doesn't cut it. You are doing nothing to add to the discussion and NOTHING to help him or anyone else improve himself or his actions that you disagree with.
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    You guys spend a lot of time telling young people on this forum to "shut up and learn". Not a bad suggestion, however it is pretty dead-ended. I have suggestion for all of you with the shut-up-and-learn attitude...

    SHUT UP AND TEACH.

    If you (meaning anyone here) knows so much better how a junior should have handled a situation, try constructively explaining/teaching him how rather than flaming them for doing it wrong. It feels a lot more rewarding helping and teaching these kids than it does to simply make fun of them and bash them. You should try it sometime.

    Maybe I'm too nice. But my way seems to work quite well based on the success of our department's explorer post.

    (the context of this post is in general, not specific to this thread)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    You're doing it right now. Everything you are saying you would do and he should have done.... HE DID. It beeped. He silenced it. What the hell else do you expect him to do?

    You are all saying "we aren't getting the full story". He has presented his full story. If you chose not to read it, then recuse yourselves from making uninformed commentary. If you actually read it and choose not to believe it, present to reason WHY you don't believe it. Just saying "I don't believe him because... because" doesn't cut it. You are doing nothing to add to the discussion and NOTHING to help him or anyone else improve himself or his actions that you disagree with.
    Reason being is none of that is grounds to be kicked out. Cellphones, beepers, pagers, etc go off all the time and you don't have people getting kicked out of a McDonalds. So for some reason a fire pager goes off, for 5 seconds, and that is grounds for getting kicked out? No. There is more to the story.

    As for helping him improve his actions, it has been explained already. Keep the volume down. If the pager goes off for a test page, say sorry to the folks around you and turn it down. If a manager comes and asks you to turn it off or leave, say you will turn it down, don't be cocky about it, which I'm guessing was the case here. If your asked to leave, leave, don't wage a call to arms on a public forum. Lesson learned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATFDFF View Post
    I completely agree with you but more of what I was alluding to was what NDVFD33 said himself;
    What was it that I said???
    If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it considered a hostage situation?

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