Temp jobs for Status employees

[arff42]

I am having a hard time trying to figure out why a status employee would ever want to accept a temporary or term position. I would think that once in the system, one could easily find a permanent job.

Position Information: - Temporary Position Not to Exceed: TERM NTE 4 YEARS -- Full Time
Duty Locations: 6 vacancies - CO - Colorado Springs
Who May Be Considered:
Status Candidates
This is for entry level Firefighter

Am I way off on this one?

Thanks,

Kevin

[devildog4]

maybe they pick the best of the best after those 4 years, or maybe the funding is for 4 years at a time. If you are in the system and want to go to that location, go for it!

[jasonfiredog]

I believe it is to open it up to the military vets, who have the certs.

[Street Doc 910]

I have a guy I worked with call out there and ask and they told him it was because they viewed it as a trial period. they said if you were good and they liked you then they would pick you up full time but if you were a dirt bag then they didn't have to worry about firing you they would just let you go at the end of the temp period. I guess it makes sence from the management point of view and it would be nice I guess working there and knowing that if someone useless gets hired you aren't stuck with them but for the guy getting hired it is kind of stressful not knowing if you are going to fit in with the new crew and in the back of your mind knowing that if you don't you may not keep your job.

[arff42]

I have a guy I worked with call out there and ask and they told him it was because they viewed it as a trial period. they said if you were good and they liked you then they would pick you up full time but if you were a dirt bag then they didn't have to worry about firing you they would just let you go at the end of the temp period. I guess it makes sence from the management point of view and it would be nice I guess working there and knowing that if someone useless gets hired you aren't stuck with them but for the guy getting hired it is kind of stressful not knowing if you are going to fit in with the new crew and in the back of your mind knowing that if you don't you may not keep your job.

I always though t permanent employees had hiring rights over non permanent. Once you are in the system with your 3 years, it takes an act of Congress to get you fired. Train period or not, once you are in the system, you would have to mess up big time to be kicked out.

Maybe I am wrong.

[JustMe1976]

I in no way speak for my management but I will tell you this... meapplegate and devildog arent that far off. I believe we're supposed to hire a lot in the near future but not quite authorized. This is a way to get some hires now. We typically convert our terms into perms at one point or another. Ive seen it as quick as 4 months and as slow as 2 years. If you have a question send me a PM.

If you read on it tells you that it's open to the following
Reinstatement eligibles.
Veterans eligible as 30% Disabled Veterans.
Veterans' Recruitment Authority (VRA).
Interagency Career Transition Assistance Plan (ICTAP) eligibles.
Family member employees eligible under Executive Order 12721.

I think the web sites down but will tell u Its a great area and a very nice department.... if youre up for the move it might be worth it

[arff42]

I in no way speak for my management but I will tell you this... meapplegate and devildog arent that far off. I believe we're supposed to hire a lot in the near future but not quite authorized. This is a way to get some hires now. We typically convert our terms into perms at one point or another. Ive seen it as quick as 4 months and as slow as 2 years. If you have a question send me a PM.

If you read on it tells you that it's open to the following
Reinstatement eligibles.
Veterans eligible as 30% Disabled Veterans.
Veterans' Recruitment Authority (VRA).
Interagency Career Transition Assistance Plan (ICTAP) eligibles.
Family member employees eligible under Executive Order 12721.

I think the web sites down but will tell u Its a great area and a very nice department.... if youre up for the move it might be worth it

I do not meet any of the above requirements. . If it were open to everyone I would consider testing. I here Colorado is quite nice. They do sometimes open the positions to the public and that is when I can apply.

Regarding non-military, employees who have never been career or career conditional, do they ever have a hard time being converted into permanent firefighters? I was told it can be tough. That is the boat I would be in.

Do you have an email? I did not see a way to pm you.

Thanks,

Kevin

[ShredddinCali]

DoD civilians are like nukes... they never work and you can't fire them.

[JustMe1976]

logrod1980 at gmail.com

[FWDbuff]

DoD civilians are like nukes... they never work and you can't fire them.

Tell that to the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan.

[devildog4]

Look, it's a foot in the door for some.
For others its a chance to get to the base they want.
For other, if youv'e proved yourselve, you'll get the permanent job whne funding comes.
Sometimes it's easier to hire terms.
The funding may not last 4 years, but then you would get all the perks of a rif THEN...

[peterbound]

Where is this posting for?
what base in the springs?

[FWDbuff]

Look, it's a foot in the door for some.
For others its a chance to get to the base they want.
For other, if youv'e proved yourselve, you'll get the permanent job whne funding comes.
Sometimes it's easier to hire terms.
The funding may not last 4 years, but then you would get all the perks of a rif THEN...

Said it before, sayin it again.....Started as a GS4 TEMP NTE 1 Year. Got extended 1 year. At Month 13 got hired as a GS5 TERM. At Month 15 at that position, got converted to Career. Received all the perks when myself and 10 others were RIF'd, and went (via the stopper list) to APG.

I was turning wrenches as an apprentice mechanic in a heavy truck shop. Realized I didnt like it as a career, so that GS4 Temp Position was definetly a gamble for me. But it worked out in the end. Play your cards right, and it can work for you, too.

[JustMe1976]

Fort Carson

[arff42]

Look, it's a foot in the door for some.
For others its a chance to get to the base they want.
For other, if youv'e proved yourselve, you'll get the permanent job whne funding comes.
Sometimes it's easier to hire terms.
The funding may not last 4 years, but then you would get all the perks of a rif THEN...

I was a Term in Rhode Island and got my RIF notice. Since I was not Permanent, I had NO RIF perks. You have to be prior military or already carear.

[shortimer52]

Im a temp right now. But it was either be temp or keep working contract. The contract place I was working was, well it was not firefighter frendly. Only reason I worked for them is Capt. looks good on a resume. But I got handed a lot more then I expected, lots of Chief duties with out the pay. Kind of being a Cpl. in the Army, all the NCO responsibilities and none of the pay.

From what im told being a temp is just like as stated above. They want to make sure your good to go and not lazy before they give you a full time spot. Either way it's find with me, I got my foot in the door but id rather stay here.

[arff42]

Im a temp right now. But it was either be temp or keep working contract. The contract place I was working was, well it was not firefighter frendly. Only reason I worked for them is Capt. looks good on a resume. But I got handed a lot more then I expected, lots of Chief duties with out the pay. Kind of being a Cpl. in the Army, all the NCO responsibilities and none of the pay.

From what im told being a temp is just like as stated above. They want to make sure your good to go and not lazy before they give you a full time spot. Either way it's find with me, I got my foot in the door but id rather stay here.

Temp positions are a great way to get your foot in the door. If you prove yourself, the Chief will hire you. However, you have to make the cert list in order for the Chief to select you. If too many Vets apply, regardless of experience or certs, non Vets will not make the list. The Chief has to pick a Vet. It just happened to me about 3 months ago.

[shortimer52]

Temp positions are a great way to get your foot in the door. If you prove yourself, the Chief will hire you. However, you have to make the cert list in order for the Chief to select you. If too many Vets apply, regardless of experience or certs, non Vets will not make the list. The Chief has to pick a Vet. It just happened to me about 3 months ago.

Guess its a good thing I have the certs and a 12 year vet!

[arff42]

Guess its a good thing I have the certs and a 12 year vet!

Then you are golden. Congradulations on your future permanent position as a Firefighter.