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    I'm a member and Admin for an Emergency Reposne Team inside an industrial manufacturing complex. Our team is a combo of volunteers and a company of IAFF F.F. We recently have received funding to purchase some new gear and looking for some feed back from F.F's on the fire ground. "Needs", "Wants", "likes and dislikes", and the "gotta haves" for PPE from those who have tested it.

    - SCBA (MSA Firehawk vs Scott Fifty/Fifty)
    - High press (4500) vs. Low(2216)
    - Electronic Accountability System & Intergrated PASS
    (seems nice does it work?) - http://www.msanorthamerica.com/catal...uct500801.html

    - Bunker Gear (Globe GX7 vs G-Extreme vs Cheiftain vs Janesville)
    - Shell Mat'l (Advance or PBI) oily environment w /high potentail for cuts

    - Gloves (Chiba vs. Ringers + Shelby FF Glove or other)
    (chiba's are $$$$$!!! are they really worth it.

    - Helmets (Traditional vs. Modern)
    Traditional - Cairnes 1010 vs. Bullard
    Modern - Cairns 360S vs. Bullard LTX Series
    Other suggestions are welcome

    All input welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big3ERT View Post
    I'm a member and Admin for an Emergency Reposne Team inside an industrial manufacturing complex. Our team is a combo of volunteers and a company of IAFF F.F. We recently have received funding to purchase some new gear and looking for some feed back from F.F's on the fire ground. "Needs", "Wants", "likes and dislikes", and the "gotta haves" for PPE from those who have tested it.

    - SCBA (MSA Firehawk vs Scott Fifty/Fifty)
    - High press (4500) vs. Low(2216)
    - Electronic Accountability System & Intergrated PASS
    (seems nice does it work?) - http://www.msanorthamerica.com/catal...uct500801.html

    - Bunker Gear (Globe GX7 vs G-Extreme vs Cheiftain vs Janesville)
    - Shell Mat'l (Advance or PBI) oily environment w /high potentail for cuts

    - Gloves (Chiba vs. Ringers + Shelby FF Glove or other)
    (chiba's are $$$$$!!! are they really worth it.

    - Helmets (Traditional vs. Modern)
    Traditional - Cairnes 1010 vs. Bullard
    Modern - Cairns 360S vs. Bullard LTX Series
    Other suggestions are welcome

    All input welcome.
    My department got a AFG grant last year and we bought the following.

    G xtreme gear which is really nice and is alot easier to move around in compared to the stuff we did have.

    Cairns 1044 with defender shield (the 1044 is the same as the 1010 except the paint is not the shinny finish)

    Scott high pressure 4500 packs with the integrated pass. we looked at the electronic accountability system and liked it but could not afford to put it on all 18 packs. The scott packs are very nice and work well we also looked at the MSA and they were also very nice packs and it was a hard decision but The chief went with scott.

    We went with the super gloves I forget who makes them off hand but they are pretty decent to work in. They are definately better than the old leather gloves that were stiff and hard to grip anything with.

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    I doubt you will be getting an influx of responses on this topic from the Explorer forum
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    I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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    Ya, for your benefit, take this question to the more appriopriate section.

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    The g extreme gear is awesome from what I have heard. I've only tried it on at trade shows.

    Either the 1010 or 1044 are great helmets. I love my 1010.

    I am biased towards the high pressure MSA Firehawks but have heard good things about the Scotts also. I have only used the Scotts a few times and am much more accustomed to the MSAs.
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    [QUOTE=carterlakecapt;989812]

    Cairns 1044 with defender shield (the 1044 is the same as the 1010 except the paint is not the shinny finish)

    No, the 1044 is NOT the same as a 1010 with the exception of the paint (common misunderstanding). The 1044's "shell" (or "bubble part") is lower to the brim than a 1010s

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    [QUOTE=cadetcaptain517;990103]
    Quote Originally Posted by carterlakecapt View Post

    Cairns 1044 with defender shield (the 1044 is the same as the 1010 except the paint is not the shinny finish)

    No, the 1044 is NOT the same as a 1010 with the exception of the paint (common misunderstanding). The 1044's "shell" (or "bubble part") is lower to the brim than a 1010s
    If you say so. You can put a 1044 and a 1010 side by side and they are the same size. The 880 is lower to the brim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadetcaptain517 View Post

    No, the 1044 is NOT the same as a 1010 with the exception of the paint (common misunderstanding). The 1044's "shell" (or "bubble part") is lower to the brim than a 1010s
    GTrider is right. The 880 is the smaller helmet. It looks like a clown helmet on bigger guys. The difference in the 1010 and 1044 is that the 1010 is painted and the 1044's plastic/composite/whatever it is is colored thoughout (i.e.- the color of the shell material is the color of the helmet)
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    Yup. So the 1010 scratches white and the 1044 scratches black. And just in case Mr. Capatian doesnt believe me I took a picture this morning of my 1044 beside my partners 1010. I can post it if he still doesnt believe me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Yup. So the 1010 scratches white and the 1044 scratches black. And just in case Mr. Capatian doesnt believe me I took a picture this morning of my 1044 beside my partners 1010. I can post it if he still doesnt believe me.
    I can attest to the fact that the 1044 scratches black, if I can remember correctly... I'm pretty positive, though. My 1044 is probably sitting in Jake's garage still. There is no size difference and there's only a little weight difference from the 1010.
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    Hi there-
    I just wanted to throw out that I'm the product manager for Bullard fire and rescue helmets. If you need helmets for evaluation or want more info, just shoot me an email and I'll be happy to assist. My email is firespecialist@bullard.com

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