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09-27-2008, 11:31 PM #21"Share your knowledge - it's a way to achieve immortality." - Stolen from Chase Sargent's Buddy to Boss program
09-28-2008, 01:36 AM #22
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- Rural Wisconsin, Retired from the burbs of Milwaukee
Yep you are correct. I know all about the Teledyne, Timoney, E-One, Detroit Diesel, Twin Disc connection that made that morphodite piece of crap. Funny thing is that E-One marketed a rig that looked almost exactly like it for the civilian market under the E-One label. Coincidence? I think not.
By the way the P-23 was replaced with an Oshkosh crash rig. One of the shortest EVER purchase and usage of a CFR rig. When I started there in 1991we were still using P-2's. Ya know what that is sparky? And P-4's and P-19's. Guess they don;t build them like that anymore...or at least not if you aren't Oshkosh.
As far as the rollover picture..what's you point.
09-28-2008, 11:09 PM #23
09-30-2008, 09:17 AM #24
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- So of Can. / N. of Mexico
E-One ARFF UNIT
E-One sold a few P-23's to the civilian market but designed their own independent suspension ARFF unit that had no Teledyne components or chassis.
The E-One unit had a Rockwell/Meritor independent suspension designed and manufactured in Europe mounted to their own chassis with a different cab, body, agent tank and fire package than a P-23.
Again the P-23 was a Teledyne unit while the E-One Titan HPR was a completely different vehicle.
See attached E-One Titan HPR. As for the Oshkosh Stryker photo, how many P-23's have you got pictures of in that position?
09-30-2008, 06:08 PM #25
09-30-2008, 07:22 PM #26
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I have operated all kinds of ARFF vehicles in the past 25 years. FWD/Quality P-2's, all Oshkosh USAF rigs, and yes Teledyne E-One P-23's. We recently recieved an 08 Striker 1500AF. They all have thier shortcomings. Oskosh just sent out an e-mail that they are replacing a lot of components including some power divider and turrets on all of the strikers that the USAF has bought over the past 3 years. Dosen't say much for thier quality control in my opinion. Where I live, Mobile has had a Walther, Oshkosh T's, and E-one HPR's at both airports. So all are good rigs including HE-One and Oshkosh are good rigs. i would definitely stay away from Jaguars however. Just my 2cents.
10-02-2008, 07:30 PM #27
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10-04-2008, 11:17 AM #28
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have you considered a rosenbauer?
I am breezing through here and saw the thread regarding the Oshkosh and E-ONE discussion. Why havent you considered Rosenbauer or one of the other manufacturers? They are a major player in the US and havent had nearly the trouble these two companies have had. Solid business, no major financial problems and they havent had a rollover yet of one of their trucks. In the ARFF circles they have a pretty good rep.
I find some of the comments regardng these two companies a bit misleading. First, one of the posters goes on about the the Air Force P-23s being built by Teledyne. Partially correct; they were the "main" contractor but I assure you the vehicles were developed and built by E-One. And the problems described carried over to the civilian side of the house as well with civilian customers having issues similar to those experienced by the military.
As far as the comments about Oshkosh being in financial trouble? Dont count em out yet folks, they have circled the drain before and pulled out. Remember they are a HUGE company and will weather the storm.
Rosenbauer however, has entered the market in the US and really had an impact on the ARFF side. Most of the folks that have one have had excellent service from them so far with no major issues. KME still tryng to build their first proto for release here in the US but may have something soon.
My bet? Call Rosenbauer.
Just my two cents worth
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