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    "It is wonderful to be back in Oregon, Over the last 15 months, weíve traveled to every corner of the United States. Iíve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.Ē Barack Hussein Obama II
    Allow me to preface this by saying I will not be voting for Obama.

    I don't care about Obama's middle name. I don't give a rat's flying ****ing *** that he misspoke. I don't care that his name is Obama, Barack or whatever. That's a stupid reason to go after him. There are too many legitimate reasons. Not long ago, being Catholic would have meant you absolutely had no chance to gain the presidency. If you are opposing Obama because of Muslims in his family tree, then you're just as bad as those idiots.

    You are being an idiot.

    Mentioning his speech flubs is stupid. People screw up. So the **** what? Grow up and use grown up arguments. Odin's undershorts, you undermine yourselves with crap like this. The choir loves it, but you make the rest of us rational conservatives look stupid.

    Stop.
    Logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead.


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    Personally I am always happy when I hear people talk about actual ISSUES.

    There are people on both sides of the fence that I find stupid because they will base their decision to vote on irrelevant factors.. I think it is idiotic to vote for/against somebody because they are white/black/christian/muslim/young/old/man/woman or because of any other reason that has nothing to do with actual politics. We have "Vote Obama" signs in our town that are being spray-painted over with "******". Is that the USA that we love? I'm sure that there are many reasons why someone might not want to vote for Obama, but being a "******" (to use the reasoning of the spray-painters) should not be one of them. I guess people should not vote for McCain because he is a "Cracker" or because "old people smell funny". It's retarded, especially since you can spend 15 minutes of your life actually educating yourself and find a "real" reason do dislike a candidate.

    So go ahead, get informed, learn about your candidates actual political believes, political stance, and political plans. And e-mails do not count as "educating" yourself about your candidates. If you believe that e-mails are true, I got some Viagra to sell you. Go to their websites, read the news, read many different sources of news, learn and make an educated decision in November.

    Make an educated vote FOR McCain/Obama/Nader or whoever else you are supporting this year instead of an ignorant vote AGAINST someone because an e-mail told you so!

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    AMEN!!!!!!!!

    All the foolishness aside. The majority of people's minds were made up months ago. Neither candidate is truly worth the five minutes of your life you will never get back voting for them or against the other guy. The whole "a vote for McCain is a vote for George Bush's third term" or "Obama is not experienced enough to be President" is all fine and good. Research the candidates. Just go to their campaign websites. McCain's has a donate icon where if you want to donate money you can. Obama's first page is basically begging for money before you access the rest of the site for any idea where he stands on anything.

    This election is a wash. Whoever wins will be a one term president because the economy will not turn around before reelection. We may or may not be out of Iraq. Most importantly the problems we have now will be the same in 4 years. It makes me want to announce my candidacy for President in 2012 and see what's the worst that could happen
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    Personally I am always happy when I hear people talk about actual ISSUES.

    There are people on both sides of the fence that I find stupid because they will base their decision to vote on irrelevant factors.. I think it is idiotic to vote for/against somebody because they are white/black/christian/muslim/young/old/man/woman or because of any other reason that has nothing to do with actual politics. We have "Vote Obama" signs in our town that are being spray-painted over with "******". Is that the USA that we love? I'm sure that there are many reasons why someone might not want to vote for Obama, but being a "******" (to use the reasoning of the spray-painters) should not be one of them. I guess people should not vote for McCain because he is a "Cracker" or because "old people smell funny". It's retarded, especially since you can spend 15 minutes of your life actually educating yourself and find a "real" reason do dislike a candidate.

    So go ahead, get informed, learn about your candidates actual political believes, political stance, and political plans. And e-mails do not count as "educating" yourself about your candidates. If you believe that e-mails are true, I got some Viagra to sell you. Go to their websites, read the news, read many different sources of news, learn and make an educated decision in November.

    Make an educated vote FOR McCain/Obama/Nader or whoever else you are supporting this year instead of an ignorant vote AGAINST someone because an e-mail told you so!
    I could not have said it better. I don't make my mind up based on someone flubbing a line in a speech, or telling a joke that didn't come out the way they meant. I get frustrated with both sides jumping on the slightest misspoken word like it makes all the difference in the person's capabilities.

    I agree with Marcus. Research the candidates and see who best represents your views over the entire range of issues.

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    I agree Johnny. Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Personally I am always happy when I hear people talk about actual ISSUES.
    It'd be great if they'd actually talkabout the issues instead of reading from the same list of rhetoric bullet-points and end up not saying anything substantial.

    The debate Friday is a perfect example. I wasn't able to see the whole thing (was a the FH, and we had a few runs) but no matter what question was asked BOTH candidates worked as hard as they could to bring the conversation back to a list of bullet-issues then bend themselves over in their attempts not to say anything.

    At one point Jim Lerher(sp?) asked "What won't you be able to do now that the country is spending 700 Billion?". Obama quickly turned it around with "Well obviously there are things that will have to be DELAYED, but here are things we HAVE to do: Bullet #1, Bullet #2, Bullet #3". Mcain's answer was not much better. Even when pressed neither one of them would actually answer the question or debate each other.
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    Very good post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I agree Johnny. Well said.
    Yet you criticize Bush for his speech. Love the hypocracy.
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    Johnny, very well said.

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    Very well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Yet you criticize Bush for his speech. Love the hypocracy.
    Gotta love the fact there few if any gaffes from McCain or Palin.

    Bush has been a treasure trove of grammatical idiocy or malapropisms.

    When the compilation of Bush speak is compiled I'm sure this will be a starting point.
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    Politicians and actual direct answers to direct questions...only a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Gotta love the fact there few if any gaffes from McCain or Palin.

    Bush has been a treasure trove of grammatical idiocy or malapropisms.

    When the compilation of Bush speak is compiled I'm sure this will be a starting point.
    Another pathtic attempt to not address the matter. So pathetic.
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    I was with you until you got to the speech flubs part. Some flubs are honest mistakes or part of misinformation. Then there are some that make you turn your head and say what the F.....

    When one misspeaks they can send the entirely wrong message, which can have dire consequences. There have been several times when people have misspoken, and when it is in person you can call them out on it. Did you really mean that? Sometimes you get a yes from that.

    Of course my signature phrase about all 57 states has to turn your head. It's like not knowing your last name. Then again, I could say Jan 2001, the end of an error.

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    Nozz, I started this with the idiots in mind.
    Logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

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    Thumbs up Yeaaahhhhhhhhhhhh............. Great Quote!!

    Quote Originally Posted by FFPCogs08 View Post
    Politicians and actual direct answers to direct questions...only a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

    That, Sir, is worthy of Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, et al. Outstanding!!.
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    You can find some very stupid things that both the candidates have said... Did anyone see the clip where McCain called all of the people " Slaves?" It is easy to fumble words when you speak every day for 3-4 months in front of large audiences.


    Anyways, check out these videos, for laughs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wQfQtpDAc


    Sadly enough, a lot of people will be voting with this kind of mentality.

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