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    Hello All;
    I need your help gathering some ideas. We just put a new Engine in-service and there is SOOO much extra compartment space on the rig that we have empty compartments. The truck is already outfitted with everything that NFPA suggests for a Class A pumper. We're looking for new ideas for different tools and such to make our already tough jobs a little easier. I would appreciate any web links for 'different' tools and such or maybe just some ideas. All help is appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfdlt109 View Post
    Hello All;
    I need your help gathering some ideas. We just put a new Engine in-service and there is SOOO much extra compartment space on the rig that we have empty compartments. The truck is already outfitted with everything that NFPA suggests for a Class A pumper. We're looking for new ideas for different tools and such to make our already tough jobs a little easier. I would appreciate any web links for 'different' tools and such or maybe just some ideas. All help is appreciated!

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    WOW....I don't think that we have ever had that problem.

    You don't need to fill you compartments just to be filling them. Take a hard look at what kind of calls that you have been having and produce your list from this. It won't take long to fill them.

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    What do you types of runs do you mostly take in?
    Any special hazards in your area?
    Any items that are used alot that could be duplicated or different variations be added?
    Have you asked others at the station what they would like to see?

    I wouldn't throw stuff on there just to take the space, over time it'll probably be filled. Why stuff it when you don't have to stuff it?

    Throw some extra cribbing and quik dry on there, can never have enough of it.

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    It doesn't take much space, but a 2 1/2 cap with an air fitting on it and a short piece of air hose with the right connections can be used to turn a length of 2 1/2 or 3" hose into an inflatable device for quick water rescue.

    Brooms and a scoop shovel are always nice.

    A case of water for rehab? A dept near me actually keeps a small dorm-type refrig on one of their engines loaded with water and plugged in to the 120 volt AC shorline.

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    GREAT IDEA!!!! We'll trade you our engine with not enough compartment space for your engine with too much. Its a win win situation in my eyes.

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    Uhh...the pictures I saw in the thread you mentioned show a rig outfitted with quite a lot of equipment. And I don't see these empty compartments you are speaking of. The rig seems well equipped and full based on the pictures I saw.

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    It's hard to recommend additional equipment without knowing how you use the engine and what other equipment you can count on.

    My first suggestion is to make sure that you have plenty of fittings and adapters. After that, you might consider a PPV fan or smoke ejector and maybe a combination tool and some cribbing. Chainsaws are also useful in many situations around here.

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    if you already have it loaded with the neccassary items you may look at adding things such as salvage covers(tarps), drinking water can, folding chairs for R&R, spare bottles, forcible entry tools, spare donuts(hose), even spare PPE supplies(gloves, nomex, and such)
    i dont believe i have ever seen a fire truck that didnt have every nook and cranny stuffed with something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northeast68 View Post
    Uhh...the pictures I saw in the thread you mentioned show a rig outfitted with quite a lot of equipment. And I don't see these empty compartments you are speaking of. The rig seems well equipped and full based on the pictures I saw.
    Uhh...the pictures were not of the OP's rig, they were posted as a reply to the OP to generate some ideas of what kind of stuff might be carried on a well-stocked truck, which was pretty much what the OP was asking for
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    Sorry, That makes a lot more sense.

    I agree with the idea of some rehab supplies mentioned by other posters.

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    Speedy dry...
    spare gloves/gear
    tools....(axe, halligan--they can get lost..)
    blankets
    tarps
    bottled water
    hazmat awareness/operations level items (pigs, pads, etc...)
    extra tool boxes w/wrenches, screw drivers..
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    ...traffic cones
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    If you have room for it, one of those easy free-standing pop-up canopies. We carry one on our rescue truck. It's handy for a shady spot for rehab, but where we really use it a lot is when we get called to an MVA in the rain. Sets up in seconds, and once you have your patient out of the car you can finish your packaging under the canopy so the patient doesn't have to have rain falling in his face. It's also wide enough to straddle the whole car if need be, so if you have removed the roof and still have some entrapment, medical folks and patients can be out of the rain. It's pretty handy and it's quick and easy to set up.
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    Default a little more info for you all

    ok...maybe i should've been a little more clear about what the truck already has:
    1. all the fittings and adapters you could imagine
    2. 2 extra SCBAs
    3. PPV Fan
    4. Negative Pressure Fan
    5. Plenty of tarps
    6. of course all of the ladders/hose/pike poles
    7. short pike poles
    8. drywall hooks
    9. shovels
    10. sledge hammers
    11. bolt cutters
    12. 2,000 gallon collapsable dump tank
    13. axes
    14. everything required by NFPA & ISO
    15. portable pump
    16. Ventillation saw

    we're not trying to just stuff it with useless stuff, we're just trying to get stuff that we haven't seen or newer versions of things that we already have, maybe some of the things you all have on your engines. We've went through all the ideas from the guys at the station and guys from neighboring depts, all that stuff is already added and we sifted through some of the ideas to see what we can or can't use...we might still have empty compartment space that i'm sure we'll fill over time...we just want some other ideas, things to look into to see if they'll work for us. This truck is used as our first out pumper on all fires. and by the way...if you'd like to take a look at the truck...it's on our website at www.danvillevfd.com

    Thank you all!

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    Throw a couple more SCBAs on there and a bunch of spare cylinders, do you have any spare cylinder on there currently? Put a case our two of bottled water in, or a cooler if you have guys that can keep up on it and change the water. Put more cribbing and quik dry in. Some rolls of hose is good and some short sections of whatever you use for supply hose never know when you need the extra little bit.

    What is the majority of runs you take in? Any special hazards in your area? Do you provide any medical services? Perhaps think of a little first aid kit or even a full jump bag.

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    Two things to follow and you'll be GOLDEN!

    ISO and NFPA...

    good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CooterRob View Post
    Two things to follow and you'll be GOLDEN!

    ISO and NFPA...

    good luck!
    You forgot the third thing to follow.......

    The Yellow Brick Road!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CooterRob View Post
    Two things to follow and you'll be GOLDEN!

    ISO and NFPA...

    good luck!
    You can end up with a truck full of textbook equipment that isnt suited for local application.

    For example, neither one will tell you that you should spec your suction hose to be as long as the hose trouch/apparatus body will allow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEFIRENUT View Post
    You forgot the third thing to follow.......

    The Yellow Brick Road!
    Don't forget TOTO! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    You can end up with a truck full of textbook equipment that isnt suited for local application.

    For example, neither one will tell you that you should spec your suction hose to be as long as the hose trouch/apparatus body will allow.
    I agree with you, but the NFPA 1901 has an appendix section with recommended equipment. Following NFPA and ISO will give you a good idea on what you should have.... not what is absolutely practical.
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    We carry a smoke detector bag for installing smoke detectors in residences. Policy states that all residential incidents that we respond to, the crew will check the smoke detctors and install more if necessary. Includes:

    Cheapo fabric tool bag like a carpenter would use
    Wal-Mart smoke detectors (4-5)
    Phillips and flat head screwdrivers
    Black and Decker battery power screwdriver (similar to this: http://blackanddecker.com/ProductGui...ProductID=5470)
    Spare 9v batteries
    Screws
    Anchors
    Can of compressed air for blowing out detectors
    Other miscellaneous items that might be needed

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    You can never have enough extra fuel for fans and saws. Extension cords rolled into buckets are also real handy (assuming generator). Extra SCBA cylinders, and spare structure gloves, flash hoods, and maybe even a helmet (yeah, people would forget their head if it was'nt screwed on!!) Man I wish we had more room on our first run engine.....
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