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    For those of you who have been lucky enough to get a new station recently, do you have any recommendations on the following items based on experience:

    1) Radiant gas heaters to be used in a four door engine bay?

    2) Retractable electrical cords in engine bay?

    3) Ceiling mount air hoses on retractable reels placed between apparatus in engine bay?

    4) Commercial double gas oven with gas cooktop and griddle in kitchen area?

    5) Stainless refrigerators with locks (not commerical) in kitchen area?

    6) Commercial grade dishwasher with food grinder?

    We haven't broken ground yet, but I've been asked to research these items and obtain specs if possible. Thanks for your help!

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    Yes to all. Don't forget the sprinklers! Otherwise, it's built to burn.

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    Instead of radiant gas heaters on the ceiling , look into in- floor radiant heat, much more even heat and cost less to operate. Small wall mount gas
    package boiler and a bunch of tubing in the concrete floor. . keeps the apparatus evenly warmed.
    2 & 3 . You can put reels up for power & air if you need the retractable reel. If just for plugging the trucks in , you can just hang drop cords and air lines with break away connectors at the right length to plug into the trucks.
    4. Vulcan Hart, hobart or Bosch
    5. sub-zero or traulsen commercial are the best. last forever. Look into used restaurant equipment suppliers for like new low hour used equipment. We bought a used traulson commercial fridge for 150.00 at an auction, it was 8 months old.
    6. Hobart is the best, see above for sources.
    Check with local commercial auction houses for upcoming restaurant forclosures. They have some good connections for this type of equipment.

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    Amen on the in-slab radiant heat. Not only is it cheaper, it is much more efficient, and less maintenance-intensive. Remember, heat goes UP. If you install gas heaters up high, sure, the heat will come down, but then it will go back up at some point. The concrete in the floor will help retain the heat to some degree (pun intended!) this is how it is more efficient.

    As for the appliance, go COMMERCIAL on EVERYTHING. Remember, this stuff is getting used 24/7/365. By firefighters (remember if we cant break it, no one can.) As suggested, contact restaurant supply vendors for guidance.

    Air/Electric hose reels: Again, get good grade commercial stuff. The Craftsman reels just aint gonna do. And I will give you one more idea to chew on: consider mounting a 75' Hannay reel up there somewhere (with an electric switch) with 3/4" booster line on it for washing rigs. You mentioned a 4-door bay....Mount one of these reels in between bays 2 & 4.......Works great when washing rigs, washing away road salt in the winter, or even for filling booster tanks after a run.

    And, a note on storage space: whatever you have now, it isnt enough. Triple or quadruple your storage space allotment.
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    !. Go with the in floor heat. You may need small "make up" heaters near the ceiling that come on when the doors open and there is a sudden loss of heat. But otherwise the in floor heat is great. We also extended ours (on a seperate zone" 20 feet in front and rear to clear the ramps in the winter.

    2. Yes on cords, or at least drops to plug in on board chargers

    3. We have ceiling mount air hose to connect to the rigs to keep the air up.
    (next to the electical drop) We also have a air line on a reel between the bays to air tires, use a blower, etc.

    4. Commercial all the way, make sure you install the emergency shut off in case of a call. We also added a shut off where the guys come out of the gear room into the bays (our kitchen is upstairs) in case they forgot to hit the one upstairs. One mistake we make, our double oven, super duper stove, griddle unit has pilot lights rather than electonic ignition. So, when you hit the emergency shut off, you have to go back and relight all the pilots.
    (not a huge issue, but an inconvinence)

    5. Go commercial. Not sure you will find non commercial with locks... but spend the extra and go commercial. It will pay for itself in the long run.

    6.. Same for dishwasher

    Other comments....

    Floor drains, put one under each rig and slope the floor toward it. Prevents water from running all over the place.

    Ditto on the hose reel for washing rigs. We also added a 1 1/2 outlet to top off the water tanks if needed.


    Quote Originally Posted by dtruelove View Post
    For those of you who have been lucky enough to get a new station recently, do you have any recommendations on the following items based on experience:

    1) Radiant gas heaters to be used in a four door engine bay?

    2) Retractable electrical cords in engine bay?

    3) Ceiling mount air hoses on retractable reels placed between apparatus in engine bay?

    4) Commercial double gas oven with gas cooktop and griddle in kitchen area?

    5) Stainless refrigerators with locks (not commerical) in kitchen area?

    6) Commercial grade dishwasher with food grinder?

    We haven't broken ground yet, but I've been asked to research these items and obtain specs if possible. Thanks for your help!
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    Wink what we did

    here is what we did.
    radiant overhead heaters in 4 drive through bays, work well. had in old station and worked well there to. floor heaters would be 4-5 times costs and was a concern with engineers (building) and heavy apparatus driving on floors and poss. causing problems. once they are in that is it. a old vol station had floor heater and they worked and were over 25 yrs old. Talk to the experts and anyone you can.
    We have a eletric cord reel for all apparatus, do not buy cheap craftsmen reels they will not last. The ones we specd were very expensive, they are almost 3 yrs old and had one survive a medic driving off and not unplugged. We had the reels have a plug into a box on ceiling instead of hard wired so if we need to dc on quickly we can. We put air chucks everywhere around all walls and one reel located in middle of bays with 100' to reach anywhere including outside. Works well. we used a HD double convestion oven and a nice 4 burner cook top with a center grill. Designer said that comm ovens are made to be running 8-12 hours a day and a HD residentail oven would be fine.
    We had 3 (1-each shift) ref/freezer, and good idea to have natural gas plumbed to balcony off kitchen for gas BBQ (that is a sweet idea).
    All cooking appliances are on alarm system to shut off for a call.

    I understand the theory on comm applicances and they abuse, almost 3 years and no porblems with anything major, make sure to get insulated bay doors to help hold heat in.
    We have 5 man shifts and run 1800 alarms a year, surprising all things are holding up good.
    Our station is wood framed and lots of it, we put a spirnkler system in and it has been a pain in the *****, some dry some wet, dry system trips if you open hydrant out back for drill. Heads in attic leaked a little 1st month, anyways it is like buying a new piece of custom apparatus, you get it and wonder what will go wrong, something always do. All I can say is keep up with doing your homework like you are doing, and good luck.
    PS Make sure you have a contingency fund, we did and it saved our bacon, while excavating they found a old in the ground fuel tank, that is when the 4 letter words were flying!

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    Red face tank fill

    one last thing maybe, we had a 1 1/2 dc in bays, not overhead, prevents someone from falling off rig. HAd a pony section of 1.5" made and plug into intake and fill rig and be done. Food for thought,

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    [QUOTE=firebill911;998114]here is what we did.
    radiant overhead heaters in 4 drive through bays, work well. had in old station and worked well there to. floor heaters would be 4-5 times costs and was a concern with engineers (building) and heavy apparatus driving on floors and poss. causing problems. once they are in that is it. a old vol station had floor heater and they worked and were over 25 yrs old. Talk to the experts and anyone you can.

    The initial cost of materials to install in-floor slab heating are about comparable with the cost of ceiling mount radiant or fan forced units that will provide the same BTU's. The difference is in the operating cost to provide the comfortable ambient heat levels in the bays. In floor works on the sustained mass of the concrete holding the heat at a stable level. If the construction uses a r-40 rigid insulation under a properly re-inforced [steel rebar/ mesh ] concrete floor suitable to carry the floor load , there should be no issues with the structural engineers. These floor heating systems are used in truck repair facilities and aircraft hangers among many other industrial uses.
    With the high price of energy today & in the future it will become much more of a favored heating system as it can provide up to 50% operating savings over conventional forced air or hydronic ceiling mount heating systems. Design considerations must include insulated footings and frostwall along with under the slab rigid insulation.

    As firebill said good quality insulated doors are also a must

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