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    Default New SCBA Anyone know anything about this

    Just browsing around firegeezer.com and found this new SCBA. Does anyone know anything about these new packs or how it works.

    http://firegeezer.com/2008/10/23/new...s-coming-soon/

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    Wow, that's pretty cool.

    I find it interesting they didn't do a close up of the new one os you could see the hoses and controls or show the firefighter close up while breathing air off of it.

    Some approvals are still needed so 5 years out or better. To be accepted by firefighters is another story.
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    Ill bet my left nut we wont see it till we have a woman president!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
    Ill bet my left nut we wont see it till we have a woman president!
    Oh boy, that's goingto be a very long time. Guys starting now will be retired!!
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    From the photo, it looks like the old style rebreather system the Navy and European agencies used. I'd have to se more photos or one in person to see if my assumption is right. Either way, it's nice to see that progress is being attempted to work with firefighter fatigue and safety enforcement.

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    is this the same system the iaff is devoloping?

    http://cms.firehouse.com/web/online/News/IAFF-to-Help-Develop-Smaller--Lighter-SCBA/46$61401

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    I personally believe this is a great new thing.
    From another site, it said it only weighted 8 pounds, its obviously so much more flexible (given the fact that it bends in the middle), and only 2 inches wide, cuts off 6 inches! And for a big guy (6'3'' and 275 lbs) like me every inch helps!
    But as was mentioned before, I'd love to see close up shots of the connections, hoses, etc.

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    I got take a look at the prototype in Richard Duffy's office at the IAFF's headquarters in DC back in march. This thing is pretty impressive. Weighs all of 8lbs give or take, very low profile and bends with the users movements. The newest version is also articulates in two spots vertically to wrap the sides better. It's made up of 8 or 10 small carbon fiber like "cells" or tanks that are interconnected and then connected to a rail at the bottom. The first stage regulator is attached to the rail with the hose then extending to the user's MMR/PASS.

    The biggest issue that I can come up with would be the lack of ability to just swap out a bottle when empty. Might have to start carrying a large bottle on the rigs to refill on scene if there isn't an air unit on scene.

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    Has there been any testing to see how much longer a "30 minute" version of this setup would last over a typical 30 minute bottle system while actually working? My guess is that while you would have longer refill times and couldn't just swap, you might see increased working times and with lower stresses on the body during that work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazmanff View Post
    It's made up of 8 or 10 small carbon fiber like "cells" or tanks that are interconnected and then connected to a rail at the bottom.
    Are these "cells" flexible or hard?

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    will you be able to use any mask with these? or will it be only for one type?

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    The packs should hold the same amount of air as a current 30m or 60m 4500psi bottle. They were testing both a 30m and 60m version I believe. The pack's tanks are really just multiple mini tanks set in a series of two rows. One row above the other, and each top tank is attached to a lower one with a flexible tube made of the same material as the tanks. The lower ones are then attached to the main rail. I believe they were working with all the manufacturers for compatibility, but that Scott and MSA would be the first. (Once they stopped bitching and moaning) This was as of March so anything could have changed. Keep in mind i'm no insider on this, I just happened to be chatting with Rich with some other guys from our Local at the Leg Conference when he said "hey, have you seen this?"

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    Itís my guess that when they do make it to the market. They are going to cost prohibitive for most departments.

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    From firevideo.net comes this news segment about the new style pack: Click here...
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    I just posted an update to this article with more information and several more photos. It answers a lot of your questions that have just been posted here, such as how they work. (hint: it's not a re-breather) It's a rack of small bottles interconnected. 45 minutes breathing time. The air pack will be sold directly to the current SCBA manufacturers such as Scott and MSA. They will apply their own mask systems to the pack.

    Check out the updated posting:
    http://firegeezer.com/2008/10/26/new...oming-updated/

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    My department can't buy new axes so how in the world after all the certifying processes and the budget I get to actually wear one?


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    I have heard about these...

    I have worked with scott, msa, and survivair...everything from the steel bottles to my carbon fiber bottles that you will pry out of my cold dead hands.

    I am looking forward to these. Being just over 100 lbs myself having anythin glighter would make a HUGE difference for me.

    Hope I get to try one someday!
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    Pretty sharp, be interesting to see how the prototypes work out.
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    Thumbs up

    I was told a few weeks ago that we, Denver Fire, would be one of the 6 test groups. I will be happy to pass on any info once we get it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ryebread View Post
    I was told a few weeks ago that we, Denver Fire, would be one of the 6 test groups. I will be happy to pass on any info once we get it.


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    A few more than 6.

    Anchorage, Alaska

    Boston, Massachusetts

    Chicago, Illinois

    Denver, Colorado

    Des Moines, Iowa

    Fort Wayne, Indiana

    Jacksonville, Florida

    Memphis, Tennessee

    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

    New York, New York
    San Antonio, Texas

    San Diego, California

    Seattle, Washington

    Washington, DC

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