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    Obama Was THE Most Liberal Senator Last Year

    Correspondent Jake Tapper

    In the National Journal's annual ratings of senators' standings on the political prism you have to hang a Left before you find Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois.

    Pass Barbara Boxer...Ted Kennedy...keep going.

    Pass Sheldon Whitehouse....Robert Menendez...

    Keep going....

    Oh, look, here's Bernie Sanders of Vermont, a self-described socialist...

    Keep going.

    Ah, at the waaaaaaay end.

    Senator Obama, good to see you sir.

    "The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate," the National Journal writes. "Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., the other front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, also shifted to the left last year. She ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator in the 2007 ratings, a computer-assisted analysis that used 99 key Senate votes, selected by NJ reporters and editors, to place every senator on a liberal-to-conservative scale in each of three issue categories. In 2006, Clinton was the 32nd-most-liberal senator. "



    Jake Tapper is ABC News' Senior National Correspondent based in the network's Washington bureau. He writes about politics and popular culture and covers a range of national stories. Obama Was THE Most Liberal Senator Last Year?
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    Wow!! People must be really disgusted with conservatives since they're supporting Obama in such large numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Wow!! People must be really disgusted with conservatives since they're supporting Obama in such large numbers.
    The numbers are not so large, especially considering the fact that the media have annointed Chairman Maobama and the economy is circling the drain. It's pretty much a dead heat right down to the wire.
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    Quickdraw is on shift today. Only 25min and has an irrelevant idiotic counterattack up. Couldn't defend the indefensible (Plan A) so he has to go to Plan B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    The numbers are not so large, especially considering the fact that the media have annointed Chairman Maobama and the economy is circling the drain. It's pretty much a dead heat right down to the wire.
    You may want to read state polls since that is how we elect presidents. McCain is campaigning is having to put resources into AZ and MT. Two states that should have been givens for him.

    Hope springs eternal, but it isn't as close as you believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You may want to read state polls since that is how we elect presidents. McCain is campaigning is having to put resources into AZ and MT. Two states that should have been givens for him.

    Hope springs eternal, but it isn't as close as you believe.
    When certain people are behind those closed election machine curtains, it will be interesting if they select the candidate they said they would for these pollsters.

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    FOX News Poll: Obama's Edge Over McCain Narrows
    The race for the White House has tightened significantly -- with Barack Obama now ahead of John McCain by three percentage points -- according to a FOX News poll released Thursday.

    Dana Blanton

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    Thursday, October 30, 2008

    As the candidates make their closing arguments before the election, the race has tightened with Barack Obama now leading John McCain by 47 percent to 44 percent among likely voters, according to a FOX News poll released Thursday. Last week Obama led by 49-40 percent among likely voters.

    Obama has a bit more strength of support going into the final week. Among his backers, 88 percent say they support him "strongly" and 12 percent "only somewhat." For McCain, 78 percent of his voters support him "strongly" and 22 percent "only somewhat."

    In addition, 66 percent of Obama's supporters say it is "extremely important" to them that their candidate wins compared to 59 percent of McCain supporters.

    The race has tightened in part because of changes in a couple of important swing voting groups. Independents back Obama by 5 percentage points today, down from a 9-point edge last week. Similarly, among white Catholics, Obama held an 11-point edge over McCain last week and today they split 46-46.

    "Independent voters have long been regarded as one of the keys to this race and these results may foreshadow a tightening in the battleground states where independents carry disproportionate weight," says Ernie Paicopolos, a principal of Opinion Dynamics Corporation.

    Another reason the numbers have tightened is that McCain has also improved his position among his party faithful, and the number of voters identifying themselves as Republicans has seen an up-tick as well. Fully 88 percent of Republicans back McCain, up from 83 percent last week. For Obama, 89 percent of Democrats support him, up slightly from 88 percent.

    New voters, those 11 percent who have registered in the last two years, support Obama by 54-38 percent.

    Obama also has a 52-43 percent edge over McCain among the more than one of five voters who say they have taken advantage of early voting in their state and already voted.

    Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 likely voters for FOX News from October 28 to October 29. The poll has a 3-point error margin. "Likely voters" are registered voters who are considered more likely to vote in the November presidential election.

    Top Issues

    The economy continues to far outdistance all other issues as the top priority for voters this year, and while Obama maintains an advantage on the economy, McCain has chipped away at those numbers. By an 8-point margin Obama is seen as the candidate who voters trust to handle the economy, down from a 15-point edge.

    The Democrat also has the lead on handling health care (+ 11 points) and energy independence (+9 points).

    McCain is preferred on handling the war on terrorism (+14 points) and Iraq (+7 points).

    More voters trust Obama to handle the issue of taxes (+6 points) even though nearly three times as many think their taxes will go up under an Obama administration (20 percent) as think the same about a McCain administration (7 percent). A 55 percent majority thinks their taxes will go up no matter which candidate wins.

    Recently Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said the next president would be "tested" by an international crisis in the first six months of his presidency. Who do voters think would better respond to that test? McCain has a 52-39 percent advantage over Obama on this measure. Among those important independent voters, McCain holds a similar edge: 53-37 percent.

    Candidate Qualities

    The candidate quality cited by voters as most important in their vote is "can bring needed change" (32 percent), followed closely by "shares my values" (26 percent). Some 19 percent say having the right experience is the most important quality -- about half the number citing change.

    Change voters are more likely to back Obama by 79-13 percent, while values voters back McCain by 63-28 percent. Among those citing experience as most important, they support McCain by 85-9 percent.

    By 73-19 percent Obama bests McCain among the 10 percent who say "cares about people like me" is their top quality.

    Almost all voters -- 78 percent -- think McCain has the right experience to be president. That includes a 64 percent majority of Democrats. Significantly fewer voters -- 49 percent -- think Obama has the right experience for the Oval Office (48 percent say he doesn't).

    A 53 percent majority thinks Obama can bring the "right kind of change to Washington" while a 52 percent majority says McCain can't.

    While 43 percent of voters think Obama's positions on the issues are "too liberal," half say his positions are "about right." The numbers are similar for McCain -- 38 percent say he's "too conservative" and 46 percent "about right."

    Vice Presidential Candidates

    Voters are fairly split on whether they would be comfortable with Joe Biden as vice president -- 45 percent would be "extremely" or "very" comfortable and 52 percent would not be comfortable.

    For Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, 34 percent would be either "extremely" or "very" comfortable with her as vice president and 64 percent would not.

    One of five (20 percent) Democrats would be uncomfortable with Biden as vice president and one of three (33 percent) Republicans would be uncomfortable with Palin.

    By an 18-point margin more voters have a positive view of Biden than a negative view (55 percent favorable and 37 percent unfavorable).

    Views of Palin are much more mixed: 49 percent favorable and 46 percent unfavorable.



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    Good luck with that. I'm sure professional pollsters aren't nearly as bright as a retired fire chief from a small town and have totally ignored that possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Quickdraw is on shift today. Only 25min and has an irrelevant idiotic counterattack up. Couldn't defend the indefensible (Plan A) so he has to go to Plan B.
    I wouldn't be putting in for that Investigations position any time soon.

    I don't believe the assertions are negatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Good luck with that. I'm sure professional pollsters aren't nearly as bright as a retired fire chief from a small town and have totally ignored that possibility.
    You fail to understand the simplest of points.

    I never claimed the polls were wrong????

    I simply said that people lie to pollsters. That is a proven fact and a current theory as to how Obama might just lose.

    If you stopped drinking the Obama kool-aid for a few minutes you might just learn something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    You fail to understand the simplest of points.
    Oh really? And you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I never claimed the polls were wrong????

    I simply said that people lie to pollsters. That is a proven fact and a current theory as to how Obama might just lose.
    Being a chief and all, I'm sure you know that pollsters take that into account. Or maybe you're right. The massive amount of lying that is occurring is just unknown to everyone but you.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    If you stopped drinking the Obama kool-aid for a few minutes you might just learn something.
    As opposed to your McCain kool-aid and the Bush kook-aid before that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Being a chief and all, I'm sure you know that pollsters take that into account. Or maybe you're right. The massive amount of lying that is occurring is just unknown to everyone but you.
    I appreciate that you are obsessed with my status as a past chief, but it's not really germane to this discussion.

    Anyway, there is a theory, which has been posted about the potential for polls to be off in the case of african american candidates.

    It's called the Bradley effect. Here is one example, and the recent slip in the polls is very interesting and only time will tell if there is any true comparison.

    New York City had black candidate David Dinkins holding an 18-point lead over white candidate Rudy Giuliani with a week to go in the election. Four days before the election, a new poll showed that lead at 14 points. On the day of the election, Dinkins won by only two points.
    http://www.insidebayarea.com/election/ci_10758849
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Anyway, there is a theory, which has been posted about the potential for polls to be off in the case of african american candidates.

    It's called the Bradley effect. Here is one example, and the recent slip in the polls is very interesting and only time will tell if there is any true comparison.
    I'm in CA. Remember? I remember the person named Bradley who ran for governor and lost. There were many reasons why he lost. Was a race a factor? Probably. But there were numerous other factors in play during that election that have been attributed to Bradley's loss. Unlike Obama, Bradley ran a campaign that didn't respond to attack ads and accusations believing that taking the "high road" would suffice. Time has shown over and over that is a recipe for disaster. Kerry and Gore adopted those strategies and lost. Clinton never let an attack go unanswered and would counter immediately and he ended up defeating a sitting incumbent.

    I'm sure you can find something that will state otherwise. So what?

    Keep clinging to that. Meanwhile, the McCain campaign is spending more time talking about Obama than themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I simply said that people lie to pollsters. That is a proven fact and a current theory as to how Obama might just lose.
    Bradley effect
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I'm in CA. Remember? I remember the person named Bradley who ran for governor and lost. There were many reasons why he lost. Was a race a factor? Probably. But there were numerous other factors in play during that election that have been attributed to Bradley's loss. Unlike Obama, Bradley ran a campaign that didn't respond to attack ads and accusations believing that taking the "high road" would suffice. Time has shown over and over that is a recipe for disaster. Kerry and Gore adopted those strategies and lost. Clinton never let an attack go unanswered and would counter immediately and he ended up defeating a sitting incumbent.

    I'm sure you can find something that will state otherwise. So what?

    Keep clinging to that. Meanwhile, the McCain campaign is spending more time talking about Obama than themselves.
    It's happened to more than Bradley in other states...

    As for McCain pointing out Obama's shortcomings. I'm glad he's doing it. Because noone else, including the press, have even touched the surface of the extremist, Chairman Maobama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    As for McCain pointing out Obama's shortcomings. I'm glad he's doing it. Because noone else, including the press, have even touched the surface of the extremist, Chairman Maobama.
    It's working real well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    It's working real well.
    Seems to be, polls are turning.

    I wonder how many of these americans who support Obama would vote for Ted Kennedy for president???
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    Obama Was THE Most Liberal Senator Last Year
    Well, duh...why do you think he has so much support? America is sick of guys like you running the nation into the ground. Got it? Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Seems to be, polls are turning.
    Like which ones?

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    I wonder how many of these americans who support Obama would vote for Ted Kennedy for president???
    Why does that matter? Kennedy isn't on the ballot.
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