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    Default Donut Roll Attack Lines

    I've been looking at the hoselays that involve coupling a couple of donut rolls together in a well. I really like the idea of taking a front bumper and putting 2 or so 200' attack lines in it. They look like they would work out pretty well. Anybody using them? How are they packed? How do they deploy? Pro's/Con's? Thanks.
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    We have a approx 3x2x2 well in our front bumper, we use a flat lay with 2 large handles for 150 ft of 1 3/4. It isn't pretty but it is fast to deploy and great for car fires. You simply grab the two handles and set the enitre load on the ground infront of the truck.

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    "Chaining together"?

    Pros:
    Easy to rack
    Easy to deploy, although the company should always be making sure there are no lengths in the box/tray as well as chase kinks
    Suitable for use on most private dwellings, however 200' might be too much for such a setup
    Can be quickly broken down if needed to use for extending a rear bed line
    Should always be considered as another tool for the engine company and not the "always pull" line
    Can be easily broken down to one length for use as a "trash line"

    Cons:
    Leads drivers to routinely nose in or "beach" the apparatus in the front yard, or take up Side Alpha, blocking the first in truck company (if your department responds as such)
    Ease to deploy causes the company to neglect making sure the stretch is kink free
    Not very practicle for multiple dwellings, commercial occupancies, large, multi-story private dwellings, especially those with limited access. Is also difficult at times when faced with on street parking in front of residences
    Useful only when within reach (all areas of the fire building) of the apparatus
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    Two 200' lines in a bumper? That's what crosslays are for.

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    It's what kentland does ...............

    Sorry, it was bound to happen sooner or later. That being said, it can be run well if it is practiced and you have enough people to throw the rolls and chase the kinks. Bill hit the pros and cons pretty well. We use this set up for our trash line (50 ft is donut rolled with the nozzle attached and 50 ft is packed flat in the well with ears on either side to pull the line out.) The lineman will grab the roll, and clear the well (or maybe the driver), then advance the line working out the kinks. Once close to the fire (usually a car in our case), hold the nozzle and throw the roll. This lays out the remainder of the hose without any kinks.

    IMO, it works great on shorter lines, but I would stick to crosslays or the hosebed for longer lines. Try it and see how it works for you. Whatever works best for you is what you should use.

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    Thumbs up Makes too much sense

    Our newest engine is being built with two front bumper donut preconnects and one in the drivers rear compartment. Cap688 listed most of the "pro's: we found. A 200 ft. line is fully out of the "bed" in 25' and you can progressively drop lengths as the tighten on your arm, whatever's left when you get to objective is already flaked out. With the two 200' wells side by side we can connect one to the other for up to 400 ft. (not a likely scenario, but an option). Functionally they allow us to quickly deploy between 50 and 400 feet in 50 foot increments by just uncoupling and re-coupling once.

    I'd agree that driver's and officers must still spot the apparatus properly, but this problem is no different than lining the crosslays up with the door.

    For a lot of info on setting them up and using them see if you can get Blitzfiresolo, they've had their's in service for awhile now.

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    I saw a video a long time ago of I think DC or their training academy showing a truck pulling up to a car fire. If I remember right they had the hose donut rolled. When the guy came off the truck and graed it it deployed very well.

    We have a front bumper 2.5 CAFS discharge on our truck. We do have a wye on it with 100' of 1.75 line on it. Our door is cut out to allow closure over the hose. And if needed we can unhook the wye and ese the 2.5 on bigger fires...

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    10 feet of 3/4" garden hose for little garbage..Length of 1 3/4" for big garbage, dumpsters, maybe cars. It's simple, it works.
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    We keep 100' of 1 3/4" in the front bumper. The first 50' is flat laid, the second 50' is in a doughnut roll with the male exposed, allowing the firefighter to select the nozzle they need. If we only need 50', we break it and flake out the flat laid section. If 100' is needed, the firefighter picks up the roll and advances, flaking out the first 50'. Then the roll is dropped and the additional 50' is advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cap6888 View Post
    It's what kentland does ...............

    Sorry, it was bound to happen sooner or later. That being said, it can be run well if it is practiced and you have enough people to throw the rolls and chase the kinks..

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    Amen on the training. We have one three section(150') donuted on the front jumpline. They are standing upright for ease of access. No lid on the well. The length prevents the use of the line for structures and reduces the amount of possible kinks. We train our firefighters to ensure no kinking and train our engineers to inspect the line before charging the hose. We also train them on engine placement when using the line, but as i said it is never used on structures, only roadway and trash fires. It works great for us, may not for others.

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