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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    Hmmm, what is happening now is a noble effort, but the truth is that Yes,, Saddam and Co. may be gone, but thousands of others now terrorize the locals. Working with the IPs here, areas that were once protected by 5 cops...now can not be controlled by 60 cops....5 years ago they could garuntee ones safety travelling from where I am to Baghdad.....now...they can't.
    The even worse part. We will be sending more troops to the region. Plus we have what is going on in between India and Pakistan. And then there are the pirates off of Somalia. The whole world is going down the toilet, and the U.S. will try to save it. Meanwhile, we can't even save our own. Ironic, for decades we have spent trillions a year around the world to protect other countries, yet people on our own soil are losing their homes.

    I've always lived by the saying "Sweep your own doorstep first"

    And unfortunately for Iraq, it has become the focal point for the Jihad. I wonder how many of those locals are actually foreigners from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I can believe that, Chaos theory and those systems are above your comprehension level.
    This coming from someone who claims to be victimized by a credit card company living up to its obligations.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Nope, it doesn't control, it affects. Big difference my friend. But you get the idea. The airline industry is just one small piece of the puzzle. There are millions more cells out there all acting independently of one another.
    I submit affecting and controlling are one in the same when it comes to a corporation infusing a lot of cash (via a govt. contract) into a specific locale. Otherwise there wouldn't so much local opposition when the DoD decides to shut down a military base.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Do yourself a little favor, do a Google search on chaos theory. Read the first four or five articles. Hopefully this will open our mind. The other thing that would help you is some calculus and a study of system theory. Once you understand how a basic system works you will see the difficulty in controlling complex systems.
    Do yourself a favor and stick to what it is you do well. Which at this point is still a complete mystery.
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    You know scfire, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you are so adamant about spouting off about understanding a credit card sign up form. I have 2 degrees plus some fairly respectable educational qualifications and the only thing I understand or even bother with regarding my creit card agreements are the terms " VISA, AMERICAN EXPRESS, and MASTERCARD"
    I doubt 1 in a hundred people onhere could even explain a tenth of the legalese on these forms. Just as an aside. Amex and Visa have both been found negligent in some of their practices regarding interest payments and charges over the years.



    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This coming from someone who claims to be victimized by a credit card company living up to its obligations.


    I submit affecting and controlling are one in the same when it comes to a corporation infusing a lot of cash (via a govt. contract) into a specific locale. Otherwise there wouldn't so much local opposition when the DoD decides to shut down a military base.


    Do yourself a favor and stick to what it is you do well. Which at this point is still a complete mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The even worse part. We will be sending more troops to the region. Plus we have what is going on in between India and Pakistan. And then there are the pirates off of Somalia. The whole world is going down the toilet, and the U.S. will try to save it. Meanwhile, we can't even save our own. Ironic, for decades we have spent trillions a year around the world to protect other countries, yet people on our own soil are losing their homes.

    I've always lived by the saying "Sweep your own doorstep first"

    And unfortunately for Iraq, it has become the focal point for the Jihad. I wonder how many of those locals are actually foreigners from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc.
    The economy goes up and down....depending on how high up or far down is the doings of the government at that time.

    As for India and Pakistan, we aren't involved nor will we be, we are "allied" with both. Somoli Pirates, we have a contingent not our entire Navy deployed, the same contingent that would have been on float anyway. And Iraq is no longer a focal point for the Jihad. Afganistan is. Last year an average of 400 attacks a week occured in Falluja....now...its only around 5 or 6 a month. The Marines have even closed the FOB near the city and are being redeployed. The amount of engagements is drastically down as are IEDs....and no not because we paid someone off....one of the biggest reasons is for the "Anbar Awakening" people are sick of being tormented by Al-Qaida. The dude Sadar is not AQ...he's Iraninan backed...from the Reveloutionary Guard specifically....(his dad had a Mosque in Tehran). The IRG mission is to disrupt the SOFA argeement and attempt to spark violence. Also in the West...Hamas and Hizboalah were big...but they are well persued on the boarders.

    Bottom line, most of the FFs are headed to Afganistan. The cities here have been taken back by the US and the people like us better then AQ....and we have killed many of the key terrorist. Sure we still get the young, egger, beaver foreign fighter from Syria or Lebannon, but they get killed or detained rather quickly. The Hardcore, badass from Checneya, leftovers from the Balkan Wars, and lunatics from the Sudan are headed for Afganistan. In the last year alone (mostly because of oversight) AQ has been able to conduct simultanious, coordinated, company sized (200+)attacks on the ISAF, complete with indirect fire support and advanced, supportive machine gunnery. Afganistan is the Focus of the Jihad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    You know scfire, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you are so adamant about spouting off about understanding a credit card sign up form. I have 2 degrees plus some fairly respectable educational qualifications and the only thing I understand or even bother with regarding my creit card agreements are the terms " VISA, AMERICAN EXPRESS, and MASTERCARD"
    I doubt 1 in a hundred people onhere could even explain a tenth of the legalese on these forms. Just as an aside. Amex and Visa have both been found negligent in some of their practices regarding interest payments and charges over the years.
    Only because brainboy claims to be an expert at things that are far more complex than a credit card agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This coming from someone who claims to be victimized by a credit card company living up to its obligations.


    I submit affecting and controlling are one in the same when it comes to a corporation infusing a lot of cash (via a govt. contract) into a specific locale. Otherwise there wouldn't so much local opposition when the DoD decides to shut down a military base.


    Do yourself a favor and stick to what it is you do well. Which at this point is still a complete mystery.
    Controlling and affecting are entirely different. Do yourself a favor, learn the difference.

    As for the credit card. I completely understood the agreement. What I didn't know was that they would automatically increase your credit limit. Eventually, this changes your credit score and you end up paying a higher interest rate. I'm not a lawyer. What the service agreement says and what they do are entirely different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Controlling and affecting are entirely different. Do yourself a favor, learn the difference.
    Please explain the difference. I need a good laugh this morning.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    As for the credit card. I completely understood the agreement. What I didn't know was that they would automatically increase your credit limit. Eventually, this changes your credit score and you end up paying a higher interest rate. I'm not a lawyer. What the service agreement says and what they do are entirely different.
    You state you understood the agreement and then proceed to detail that you clearly did not.

    Are you hitting the bottle early this morning or is free association part of your persona?

    Like I stated earlier. Stick to something you do well. Perhaps a career in small animal grooming is more your level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Please explain the difference. I need a good laugh this morning.


    You state you understood the agreement and then proceed to detail that you clearly did not.

    Are you hitting the bottle early this morning or is free association part of your persona?

    Like I stated earlier. Stick to something you do well. Perhaps a career in small animal grooming is more your level.
    The cruise control in your car controls your speed. The incline or decline in the road affect your speed. The wind affects your speed. The cruise control will compensate for these affects.

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    Hmmmm Persons claimimg to be experts in all or at least many things is not exactly an exclusive group on this forum.




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    Only because brainboy claims to be an expert at things that are far more complex than a credit card agreement.
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    Yes congrats to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The cruise control in your car controls your speed. The incline or decline in the road affect your speed. The wind affects your speed. The cruise control will compensate for these affects.
    To quote a great movie line, "who can argue with that?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Hmmmm Persons claimimg to be experts in all or at least many things is not exactly an exclusive group on this forum.
    My favorite it George Wendt claiming the decrease in oil prices is due to Bush's lifting the ban on offshore drilling.

    That was by far one of his best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Are you hitting the bottle early this morning?
    NO I'm not. Never stopped from the other day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    My favorite it George Wendt claiming the decrease in oil prices is due to Bush's lifting the ban on offshore drilling.

    That was by far one of his best.
    My favorite is all of those people who blamed Bush for the rising price of gas seem to have disappeared when it came time to give him credit for making the price drop. I mean really, if you are going to blame him for making the price go up then you must give him credit for bringing the price down as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    My favorite is all of those people who blamed Bush for the rising price of gas seem to have disappeared when it came time to give him credit for making the price drop. I mean really, if you are going to blame him for making the price go up then you must give him credit for bringing the price down as well.
    So which is it? Is he responsible or not? Right wingnuts were blaming Obama when the stock market was in free fall a couple of weeks ago but have been strangely silent since the market has gained 17% in one week.

    I can't wait given your inability to understand the simple things let alone something like energy policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So which is it? Is he responsible or not? Right wingnuts were blaming Obama when the stock market was in free fall a couple of weeks ago but have been strangely silent since the market has gained 17% in one week.

    I can't wait given your inability to understand the simple things let alone something like energy policy.
    It isn't anyone's fault one way or the other since one person has little, if any, effect on the market. Even more so since as of 1039 EST the market is down 379.52.

    If anyone thinks seriously that one person is responsible they are just showing their complete ignorance of the markets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    It isn't anyone's fault one way or the other since one person has little, if any, effect on the market. Even more so since as of 1039 EST the market is down 379.52.

    If anyone thinks seriously that one person is responsible they are just showing their complete ignorance of the markets.
    You mean like Scaryboy and George?
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    GOOD MORNING, COMRADES! Is very glorious day in new socialist motherland, yes? Comrades Pelosi and Reid are very happy for new glorious motherland! Here is new United Socialist States of America National Athem for you listen to pleasure! Dos Vadanya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You mean like Scaryboy and George?
    And you since for several months you would only say that Clinton brought the economy up and Bush brought it down while only finally admitting about 2 months ago that it was more than just 1 person who took responsibility.

    But there are countless others in this world who think that just because you elect so-and-so President or Governor that things will magically get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You mean like Scaryboy and George?
    Sorry sunshine, this doesn't include me. I sometimes use a sarcastic example to show how foolish the left is for saying the current administration has god like abilities and can control everything in the country. They fail to see that the current state of the system is not only affected by what we do today, but what we did in the past as well.

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