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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Please. If you think the fact that Obama was elected means that racism has been driven from our nation's populace, you're sadly mistaken. In fact, it's quite rampant. I see it nearly every single day. This is a huge step, but one in a journey that's far from over. There are millions who would love to steer our nation back into the dark.
    That's for sure. There is a very visceral rage being felt in some parts of this country at the results. I only hope that it does not manifest in some violent manner.

    Surely this is a big day for african/americans. In Obama's speech he reflected on the changes that a 106 year old a/a voter in Atlanta has seen over the course of her lifetime.

    Like I said, I'm proud that this country would vote for an a/a for President. I think that while many of us didn't vote for Obama, it was not because of Race. It was because of ideology. So if you were to consider the numbers who felt race was not an issue, but voted for McCain, it's a vast majority of Americans.

    That indicates to me, that we have truly overcome the color barrier in regards to politics on a national level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    I congratulate Obama, and will keep my fingers crossed that he lives up to the hope/hype.. the success of a presidency is usually decided by his picks as Advisers and his ability to listen to them.

    At the same time I'm looking at the Congressional races. Democrats could very well pull off a SuperMajority in both the House and Senate. That actually scares me a lot. No party should be able to steamroll legislation through the system.
    Now we will see if he really can deliver on his promises without raising taxes on people other that the 5% of the taxpayers.
    I still haven't heard a convincing argument that the people whose tax rates relieve them of paying taxes at all are due any money from those who are in tax paying brackets.Where is the money coming from to pay for these ideas?
    Fortunately,the Democratic majority isn't as big as they had hoped for and we still have the checks and balances that were screamed about back in the 2000 election.People thought that George Bush was going to run roughshod over our Rights because the Republicans held the majority of seats in Congress.
    Were any of YOUR Rights infringed upon from January 21,2001 until now?
    Here's hoping that the Democrats don't try to get even for that happening.I already have enough trouble buying guns as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    Fortunately,the Democratic majority isn't as big as they had hoped for and we still have the checks and balances that were screamed about back in the 2000 election.People thought that George Bush was going to run roughshod over our Rights because the Republicans held the majority of seats in Congress.

    Were any of YOUR Rights infringed upon from January 21,2001 until now?
    That is very much up for debate. If you have flown since 9/11 you could very well argue that the whole process that TSA makes you go through at the checkpoint is a violation of your rights .

    But seriously, random tapping of all phone-lines without a warrant to see if they could find out something that someone might be planning somewhere seems like a gross violation of the 4th amendment.

    Holding American citizens in prison over in Cuba without trials because they are not citizens but "enemy combatants" is a gross violation of the 5th, 6th, and 8th amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    That is very much up for debate. If you have flown since 9/11 you could very well argue that the whole process that TSA makes you go through at the checkpoint is a violation of your rights .

    But seriously, random tapping of all phone-lines without a warrant to see if they could find out something that someone might be planning somewhere seems like a gross violation of the 4th amendment.
    I'll gve you these. Those are all grave errors by the current administration that have violated the Constitutional rights of all citizens.

    Holding American citizens in prison over in Cuba without trials because they are not citizens but "enemy combatants" is a gross violation of the 5th, 6th, and 8th amendment.
    Who at Guantanimo Bay is US Citizen? I ask because I do not know, not just to start an arguement. IF any citizens are there they should be afforded all due process that is their right under the Constitution. IF there are none then these are POW's and should not be protected under the US Constitution
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    That is very much up for debate. If you have flown since 9/11 you could very well argue that the whole process that TSA makes you go through at the checkpoint is a violation of your rights .

    But seriously, random tapping of all phone-lines without a warrant to see if they could find out something that someone might be planning somewhere seems like a gross violation of the 4th amendment.

    Holding American citizens in prison over in Cuba without trials because they are not citizens but "enemy combatants" is a gross violation of the 5th, 6th, and 8th amendment.
    How is tapping overseas calls to countries with known terrorist organizations affecting your calls to your Mother on her birthday? I don't know but does she live in Pakistan or some place like that?At any rate,give her my best wishes as well.
    And just Monday,I saw how Ol' Sammy's driver had been convicted in a trial.Sounds to me like trials are being conducted.They may have taken a while but when you have numerous documents to translate to see what they say,that happens.I am told that Farsi is a difficult language to translate to English and when this all kicked off 7 years ago ,there weren't many Farsi speakers available for the job.The prosecution had a Right to know what they have as evidence,just as the defendant does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Please. If you think the fact that Obama was elected means that racism has been driven from our nation's populace, you're sadly mistaken. In fact, it's quite rampant. I see it nearly every single day. This is a huge step, but one in a journey that's far from over. There are millions who would love to steer our nation back into the dark.
    So true. Headlines like that keep referring to race simply point that out. It's just that now the racism has gone the other way. Who really cares? The fact is the African American community voted for Obama by 80%. That shows how much racism exists, Strong black vote gives Obama big boost

    Obama cruises to victory in Maryland
    Obama, the first African-American nominee of a major American party, took almost 95 percent of the black vote in Maryland, exit polling showed. The Illinois Democrat won among voters of all levels of education in one of the most one-sided contests in the country.
    So until all races ignore race there will be racism.

    However, African Americans no longer can say that they are being held back because of their race. Only the racist will use that excuse
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    Coming from the guy who has coined the phrase "idiot-in-chief" on a regular basis, here.
    I would have thought FWD would be considered being a "good-American" with voicing displeasure on the election results. After all, isn't that what you were doing?
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    Someone had posted that he predicted if Obama won the DOW would be down by 500 points. So far it is down 300 points. The markets (which drive our economy) aren't reacting favorably to the news.

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    Africa is not a color or a race. It's a continent and about as descriptive of race as Asian American.

    I am railing against the use of African American as a descriptor of skin color. It's asinine. It is also asinine to bother complaining. On a similar note, I saw a letter I sent to the union in the paper and I used the wrong word for "their."

    Damn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I need to tell this story about the stupidity of the American voter.
    We read your writings every day. No one here needs an explanation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    My friend went into the beauty salon to do something with her hair. While she is there she can hear the four ladies talking, two getting their hair done the other two cutting. she hears this phrase. I'm going to go vote. Where do I go? Another one speaks up. I'm going to vote too, but how do I know if I am a republican or a democrat? Another one speaks up, how do I know who to vote for?

    And this my friends is how the American Pubic votes. Most are CLUELESS!!!
    Which probably goes a long ways towards explaining why we are so screwed up as a country.
    Once again the "engineer" who has done "research" draws a conclusion based upon a single anecdote.
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    I am, as you would expect, unhappy. Not with the election results, but with the future. And for the Record, I'd be saying the same thing if Sen. McCain would have won. My problem with the Obama Administration will be "Green" Issues, along with Common Sense and Political Correctness Crap. Anytime there is a Question raised about changing something to be more "Green", I look at it from a Cost-Benefit standpoint. If it's not worth it, I say so. Period. Sen. Obama has made some, to me anyway, frightening statements about Fuel Use in this Nation, particularly in the area of Coal and Oil. In my opinion, there are currently too many restrictions on Coal to begin with, Coal needs a less restrictive Government, not more. Same can be said for Oil, regardless of where it comes from. This Once Great Nation has pretty well lost it's Steel Industry to Competition from overseas, Not because of Technology or Ability, but because of Restrictive Environmental Laws. Since no other Country cares about the Environment, this Nation can not "Save the Planet" alone and it needs to realize that, drop the Green Crap and start dealing with important issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Someone had posted that he predicted if Obama won the DOW would be down by 500 points. So far it is down 300 points. The markets (which drive our economy) aren't reacting favorably to the news.
    Given the wisdom of that group in recent times it is hardly an indicator of sense and responsiblity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    I am, as you would expect, unhappy. Not with the election results, but with the future. And for the Record, I'd be saying the same thing if Sen. McCain would have won. My problem with the Obama Administration will be "Green" Issues, along with Common Sense and Political Correctness Crap. Anytime there is a Question raised about changing something to be more "Green", I look at it from a Cost-Benefit standpoint. If it's not worth it, I say so. Period. Sen. Obama has made some, to me anyway, frightening statements about Fuel Use in this Nation, particularly in the area of Coal and Oil. In my opinion, there are currently too many restrictions on Coal to begin with, Coal needs a less restrictive Government, not more. Same can be said for Oil, regardless of where it comes from. This Once Great Nation has pretty well lost it's Steel Industry to Competition from overseas, Not because of Technology or Ability, but because of Restrictive Environmental Laws. Since no other Country cares about the Environment, this Nation can not "Save the Planet" alone and it needs to realize that, drop the Green Crap and start dealing with important issues.
    I would argue that many of the decisions to ship those industries overseas was more the result of usurious corporate greed.
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    Well Harve, I know its scant consolation, but Europe has suffered the same fate. Countries with heavy industry, steel, coal, etc such as France Germany and Great Britain are basically out of the game to Eastern Europe and China. Some is definitely due to environmental restrictions, the Ruhr Valley was almost a waste zone 30 years ago, a lot is to do with wages, benefits and working conditions. Witness the electronics industry packing up and heading for the Pacific Rim countries, IT and Telecoms relocating to India. I don't think that relieving some of the environmental laws will bring any of these back as the countries that have them add other benefits to give themselves a competitive edge.



    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    I am, as you would expect, unhappy. Not with the election results, but with the future. And for the Record, I'd be saying the same thing if Sen. McCain would have won. My problem with the Obama Administration will be "Green" Issues, along with Common Sense and Political Correctness Crap. Anytime there is a Question raised about changing something to be more "Green", I look at it from a Cost-Benefit standpoint. If it's not worth it, I say so. Period. Sen. Obama has made some, to me anyway, frightening statements about Fuel Use in this Nation, particularly in the area of Coal and Oil. In my opinion, there are currently too many restrictions on Coal to begin with, Coal needs a less restrictive Government, not more. Same can be said for Oil, regardless of where it comes from. This Once Great Nation has pretty well lost it's Steel Industry to Competition from overseas, Not because of Technology or Ability, but because of Restrictive Environmental Laws. Since no other Country cares about the Environment, this Nation can not "Save the Planet" alone and it needs to realize that, drop the Green Crap and start dealing with important issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny46 View Post
    Africa is not a color or a race. It's a continent and about as descriptive of race as Asian American.

    I am railing against the use of African American as a descriptor of skin color. It's asinine. It is also asinine to bother complaining. On a similar note, I saw a letter I sent to the union in the paper and I used the wrong word for "their."

    Damn it.
    Calm down. The term African American was coined more to allow blacks to identify with where they came from than to identify Africa as a color. It is odd that the vast majority would not go back to Africa if their lives depended on it. Instead they want to identify themselves as African and cling to the fact that they are indeed American
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTKROUSH View Post
    Calm down. The term African American was coined more to allow blacks to identify with where they came from than to identify Africa as a color. It is odd that the vast majority would not go back to Africa if their lives depended on it. Instead they want to identify themselves as African and cling to the fact that they are indeed American
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I need to tell this story about the stupidity of the American voter. My friend went into the beauty salon to do something with her hair. While she is there she can hear the four ladies talking, two getting their hair done the other two cutting. she hears this phrase. I'm going to go vote. Where do I go? Another one speaks up. I'm going to vote too, but how do I know if I am a republican or a democrat? Another one speaks up, how do I know who to vote for?

    And this my friends is how the American Pubic votes. Most are CLUELESS!!!
    Which probably goes a long ways towards explaining why we are so screwed up as a country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The fact is the African American community voted for Obama by 80%. That shows how much racism exists, Strong black vote gives Obama big boost
    You'd better recheck your facts on that one. Blacks were voting for Obama by over 90%, easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    You'd better recheck your facts on that one. Blacks were voting for Obama by over 90%, easy.
    And if 80% of whites voted for John McCain the lead story would have been "Racism in America" or "White America Fears Black President".

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    Originally Posted by johnny46
    Africa is not a color or a race. It's a continent and about as descriptive of race as Asian American.

    I am railing against the use of African American as a descriptor of skin color. It's asinine. It is also asinine to bother complaining. On a similar note, I saw a letter I sent to the union in the paper and I used the wrong word for "their."

    Damn it.
    My favorite African American is Charlize Theron.. so there!

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