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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Please. If you think the fact that Obama was elected means that racism has been driven from our nation's populace, you're sadly mistaken. In fact, it's quite rampant. I see it nearly every single day. This is a huge step, but one in a journey that's far from over. There are millions who would love to steer our nation back into the dark.
    So true. Headlines like that keep referring to race simply point that out. It's just that now the racism has gone the other way. Who really cares? The fact is the African American community voted for Obama by 80%. That shows how much racism exists, Strong black vote gives Obama big boost

    Obama cruises to victory in Maryland
    Obama, the first African-American nominee of a major American party, took almost 95 percent of the black vote in Maryland, exit polling showed. The Illinois Democrat won among voters of all levels of education in one of the most one-sided contests in the country.
    So until all races ignore race there will be racism.

    However, African Americans no longer can say that they are being held back because of their race. Only the racist will use that excuse
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    Coming from the guy who has coined the phrase "idiot-in-chief" on a regular basis, here.
    I would have thought FWD would be considered being a "good-American" with voicing displeasure on the election results. After all, isn't that what you were doing?
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    Someone had posted that he predicted if Obama won the DOW would be down by 500 points. So far it is down 300 points. The markets (which drive our economy) aren't reacting favorably to the news.

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    Africa is not a color or a race. It's a continent and about as descriptive of race as Asian American.

    I am railing against the use of African American as a descriptor of skin color. It's asinine. It is also asinine to bother complaining. On a similar note, I saw a letter I sent to the union in the paper and I used the wrong word for "their."

    Damn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I need to tell this story about the stupidity of the American voter.
    We read your writings every day. No one here needs an explanation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    My friend went into the beauty salon to do something with her hair. While she is there she can hear the four ladies talking, two getting their hair done the other two cutting. she hears this phrase. I'm going to go vote. Where do I go? Another one speaks up. I'm going to vote too, but how do I know if I am a republican or a democrat? Another one speaks up, how do I know who to vote for?

    And this my friends is how the American Pubic votes. Most are CLUELESS!!!
    Which probably goes a long ways towards explaining why we are so screwed up as a country.
    Once again the "engineer" who has done "research" draws a conclusion based upon a single anecdote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Someone had posted that he predicted if Obama won the DOW would be down by 500 points. So far it is down 300 points. The markets (which drive our economy) aren't reacting favorably to the news.
    Given the wisdom of that group in recent times it is hardly an indicator of sense and responsiblity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    I am, as you would expect, unhappy. Not with the election results, but with the future. And for the Record, I'd be saying the same thing if Sen. McCain would have won. My problem with the Obama Administration will be "Green" Issues, along with Common Sense and Political Correctness Crap. Anytime there is a Question raised about changing something to be more "Green", I look at it from a Cost-Benefit standpoint. If it's not worth it, I say so. Period. Sen. Obama has made some, to me anyway, frightening statements about Fuel Use in this Nation, particularly in the area of Coal and Oil. In my opinion, there are currently too many restrictions on Coal to begin with, Coal needs a less restrictive Government, not more. Same can be said for Oil, regardless of where it comes from. This Once Great Nation has pretty well lost it's Steel Industry to Competition from overseas, Not because of Technology or Ability, but because of Restrictive Environmental Laws. Since no other Country cares about the Environment, this Nation can not "Save the Planet" alone and it needs to realize that, drop the Green Crap and start dealing with important issues.
    I would argue that many of the decisions to ship those industries overseas was more the result of usurious corporate greed.
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    Well Harve, I know its scant consolation, but Europe has suffered the same fate. Countries with heavy industry, steel, coal, etc such as France Germany and Great Britain are basically out of the game to Eastern Europe and China. Some is definitely due to environmental restrictions, the Ruhr Valley was almost a waste zone 30 years ago, a lot is to do with wages, benefits and working conditions. Witness the electronics industry packing up and heading for the Pacific Rim countries, IT and Telecoms relocating to India. I don't think that relieving some of the environmental laws will bring any of these back as the countries that have them add other benefits to give themselves a competitive edge.



    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    I am, as you would expect, unhappy. Not with the election results, but with the future. And for the Record, I'd be saying the same thing if Sen. McCain would have won. My problem with the Obama Administration will be "Green" Issues, along with Common Sense and Political Correctness Crap. Anytime there is a Question raised about changing something to be more "Green", I look at it from a Cost-Benefit standpoint. If it's not worth it, I say so. Period. Sen. Obama has made some, to me anyway, frightening statements about Fuel Use in this Nation, particularly in the area of Coal and Oil. In my opinion, there are currently too many restrictions on Coal to begin with, Coal needs a less restrictive Government, not more. Same can be said for Oil, regardless of where it comes from. This Once Great Nation has pretty well lost it's Steel Industry to Competition from overseas, Not because of Technology or Ability, but because of Restrictive Environmental Laws. Since no other Country cares about the Environment, this Nation can not "Save the Planet" alone and it needs to realize that, drop the Green Crap and start dealing with important issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny46 View Post
    Africa is not a color or a race. It's a continent and about as descriptive of race as Asian American.

    I am railing against the use of African American as a descriptor of skin color. It's asinine. It is also asinine to bother complaining. On a similar note, I saw a letter I sent to the union in the paper and I used the wrong word for "their."

    Damn it.
    Calm down. The term African American was coined more to allow blacks to identify with where they came from than to identify Africa as a color. It is odd that the vast majority would not go back to Africa if their lives depended on it. Instead they want to identify themselves as African and cling to the fact that they are indeed American
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTKROUSH View Post
    Calm down. The term African American was coined more to allow blacks to identify with where they came from than to identify Africa as a color. It is odd that the vast majority would not go back to Africa if their lives depended on it. Instead they want to identify themselves as African and cling to the fact that they are indeed American
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I need to tell this story about the stupidity of the American voter. My friend went into the beauty salon to do something with her hair. While she is there she can hear the four ladies talking, two getting their hair done the other two cutting. she hears this phrase. I'm going to go vote. Where do I go? Another one speaks up. I'm going to vote too, but how do I know if I am a republican or a democrat? Another one speaks up, how do I know who to vote for?

    And this my friends is how the American Pubic votes. Most are CLUELESS!!!
    Which probably goes a long ways towards explaining why we are so screwed up as a country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The fact is the African American community voted for Obama by 80%. That shows how much racism exists, Strong black vote gives Obama big boost
    You'd better recheck your facts on that one. Blacks were voting for Obama by over 90%, easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    You'd better recheck your facts on that one. Blacks were voting for Obama by over 90%, easy.
    And if 80% of whites voted for John McCain the lead story would have been "Racism in America" or "White America Fears Black President".

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    Originally Posted by johnny46
    Africa is not a color or a race. It's a continent and about as descriptive of race as Asian American.

    I am railing against the use of African American as a descriptor of skin color. It's asinine. It is also asinine to bother complaining. On a similar note, I saw a letter I sent to the union in the paper and I used the wrong word for "their."

    Damn it.
    My favorite African American is Charlize Theron.. so there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    You'd better recheck your facts on that one. Blacks were voting for Obama by over 90%, easy.
    I think that this is pretty normal. You can say all you want, but we (white) don't come even close to knowing what it must have felt like to be able to vote for Obama if you are black.

    You can argue that it is racist for black people because he is black. But look at this very forum. Most white people did not vote for McCain because he is white, they voted for him because they agreed with him on issues. But as a white person I don't know what it must feel like NOT to be able to vote for a white person. For me it "normal" that a white person will always run for office.

    We had a thread on here that was exited because a Firefighter was on American Gladiator. We wanted him to do well because he was one of us. Does that make us anti-non-firefighters?

    Whenever someone from my state is on American Idol our news talk about how "our" contestant is doing. We want "our-state guy" to win, does that make us anti-every-other-state?

    The vast vast majority of blacks did not vote for Obama because of racism. They voted for Obama because of what he stood for in race-relations, because they moved from not being able to vote to being able to run for president.

    I live in Oklahoma, we have an 8% black population in this state. My wife is black and I am white, and it does not matter where we go, there is always at least 1 person that stares at us and gives us bad looks because we are a mixed couple. We are both college educated and worked our way through college and graduate school. If we go to the mall I can go anywhere in the store without my problem, but my wife is being followed by the sales staff to make sure she does not steal anything. At my own fire-house I have been called a ******-lover.

    When they called the race for Obama last night, she could not believe it. She just sat there for about 30 minutes, with tears in her eyes. Not because "we stuck it to the white man", but because she believes that our children can grow up in a country where their heritage will not hold them back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    My favorite African American is Charlize Theron.. so there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Originally Posted by johnny46


    My favorite African American is Charlize Theron.. so there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I can't believe you hate America. Sen. McCain showed a whole lot more class than many of his followers.
    First of all, I was not one of McCain's "followers." I supported him as the Republican Candidate, merely because I believed him to be the "lesser of two evils."

    Secondly, I don't hate America. Quite the contrary, I love America. I am merely expressing my constitutional right to freedom of speech in showing my displeasure of the new regime that will take over on January 20, 2009. You know about that freedom of speech thing, right? Oh, no, wait.....Socialists (and socialist is a polite way of saying "communist") HATE the Constitution!

    Guess I better get my digs in against Nancy, Harry, and Barry now while I can, while it is still legal!

    Oh, and Racism was VERY MUCH a part of this election- And for those that dont think so, here is a question- If the Democratic nominee for POTUS was another white man, would the African Americans have come out of the woodwork like they did????

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Oh, and Racism was VERY MUCH a part of this election- And for those that dont think so, here is a question- If the Democratic nominee for POTUS was another white man, would the African Americans have come out of the woodwork like they did????
    I am 100% sure that there were isolated incidents like this going on for both sides.

    2 weeks ago the KKK (very much alive and well) included anti-Obama ads and recruitment information in some of the Sunday newspapers here in Oklahoma.

    You cannot have a historic election like this, and not have all the whack-jobs from both sides come out of the woodworks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny46 View Post
    Africa is not a color or a race. It's a continent and about as descriptive of race as Asian American.

    I am railing against the use of African American as a descriptor of skin color. It's asinine. It is also asinine to bother complaining. On a similar note, I saw a letter I sent to the union in the paper and I used the wrong word for "their."

    Damn it.
    This is true. Last time I looked Egypt was in Africa as well. Why does it have to be XXXXX-American at all. We are all Americans, no hyphenation required. For those who want the hyphenation because they are proud of their heritage, go back there.

    LMAO (with you) wrong use of their. Don't you think the editor could fix it for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    We read your writings every day. No one here needs an explanation.


    Once again the "engineer" who has done "research" draws a conclusion based upon a single anecdote.
    Typical. You miss the point. 90% of the people who vote are CLUELESS!!!! As proof, look at DE where Obama got 95% of the vote from the black community. Do you really believe 95% of those people were really in line with what Obama was selling. Do you even thing that 25% could tell you where he stood on the issues? Do you think they could speak intelligently about the issues and wht they effects might be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Given the wisdom of that group in recent times it is hardly an indicator of sense and responsiblity.
    Thats OK. I want to find out who initially predicted this, he was off by 14, DOW was down 486. And like their wisdom or not, It's a heck of a lot better than they crap coming from Hollywood. And it is what drives the economy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geinandputitout View Post
    maybe you should leave.
    You leave, I was here first.

    But seriously. If we had an intelligent voting public neither of those two would have been on the ballot. It was JFK who found out that getting elected as president was more about being a pretty face and being likable than providing substance. This all happened because of the Television

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