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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    You'd better recheck your facts on that one. Blacks were voting for Obama by over 90%, easy.
    I think that this is pretty normal. You can say all you want, but we (white) don't come even close to knowing what it must have felt like to be able to vote for Obama if you are black.

    You can argue that it is racist for black people because he is black. But look at this very forum. Most white people did not vote for McCain because he is white, they voted for him because they agreed with him on issues. But as a white person I don't know what it must feel like NOT to be able to vote for a white person. For me it "normal" that a white person will always run for office.

    We had a thread on here that was exited because a Firefighter was on American Gladiator. We wanted him to do well because he was one of us. Does that make us anti-non-firefighters?

    Whenever someone from my state is on American Idol our news talk about how "our" contestant is doing. We want "our-state guy" to win, does that make us anti-every-other-state?

    The vast vast majority of blacks did not vote for Obama because of racism. They voted for Obama because of what he stood for in race-relations, because they moved from not being able to vote to being able to run for president.

    I live in Oklahoma, we have an 8% black population in this state. My wife is black and I am white, and it does not matter where we go, there is always at least 1 person that stares at us and gives us bad looks because we are a mixed couple. We are both college educated and worked our way through college and graduate school. If we go to the mall I can go anywhere in the store without my problem, but my wife is being followed by the sales staff to make sure she does not steal anything. At my own fire-house I have been called a ******-lover.

    When they called the race for Obama last night, she could not believe it. She just sat there for about 30 minutes, with tears in her eyes. Not because "we stuck it to the white man", but because she believes that our children can grow up in a country where their heritage will not hold them back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    My favorite African American is Charlize Theron.. so there!
    I can not agree with you more
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
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    My favorite African American is Charlize Theron.. so there!

    PS: FWD.. now that I have heard the Soviet national anthem, I have to watch "The Hunt for Krasny Octrobri" again.. spasibo!
    She is my favorite naturalized citizen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I can't believe you hate America. Sen. McCain showed a whole lot more class than many of his followers.
    First of all, I was not one of McCain's "followers." I supported him as the Republican Candidate, merely because I believed him to be the "lesser of two evils."

    Secondly, I don't hate America. Quite the contrary, I love America. I am merely expressing my constitutional right to freedom of speech in showing my displeasure of the new regime that will take over on January 20, 2009. You know about that freedom of speech thing, right? Oh, no, wait.....Socialists (and socialist is a polite way of saying "communist") HATE the Constitution!

    Guess I better get my digs in against Nancy, Harry, and Barry now while I can, while it is still legal!

    Oh, and Racism was VERY MUCH a part of this election- And for those that dont think so, here is a question- If the Democratic nominee for POTUS was another white man, would the African Americans have come out of the woodwork like they did????

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Oh, and Racism was VERY MUCH a part of this election- And for those that dont think so, here is a question- If the Democratic nominee for POTUS was another white man, would the African Americans have come out of the woodwork like they did????
    I am 100% sure that there were isolated incidents like this going on for both sides.

    2 weeks ago the KKK (very much alive and well) included anti-Obama ads and recruitment information in some of the Sunday newspapers here in Oklahoma.

    You cannot have a historic election like this, and not have all the whack-jobs from both sides come out of the woodworks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    PS: FWD.. now that I have heard the Soviet national anthem, I have to watch "The Hunt for Krasny Octrobri" again.. spasibo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny46 View Post
    Africa is not a color or a race. It's a continent and about as descriptive of race as Asian American.

    I am railing against the use of African American as a descriptor of skin color. It's asinine. It is also asinine to bother complaining. On a similar note, I saw a letter I sent to the union in the paper and I used the wrong word for "their."

    Damn it.
    This is true. Last time I looked Egypt was in Africa as well. Why does it have to be XXXXX-American at all. We are all Americans, no hyphenation required. For those who want the hyphenation because they are proud of their heritage, go back there.

    LMAO (with you) wrong use of their. Don't you think the editor could fix it for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    We read your writings every day. No one here needs an explanation.


    Once again the "engineer" who has done "research" draws a conclusion based upon a single anecdote.
    Typical. You miss the point. 90% of the people who vote are CLUELESS!!!! As proof, look at DE where Obama got 95% of the vote from the black community. Do you really believe 95% of those people were really in line with what Obama was selling. Do you even thing that 25% could tell you where he stood on the issues? Do you think they could speak intelligently about the issues and wht they effects might be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Given the wisdom of that group in recent times it is hardly an indicator of sense and responsiblity.
    Thats OK. I want to find out who initially predicted this, he was off by 14, DOW was down 486. And like their wisdom or not, It's a heck of a lot better than they crap coming from Hollywood. And it is what drives the economy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geinandputitout View Post
    maybe you should leave.
    You leave, I was here first.

    But seriously. If we had an intelligent voting public neither of those two would have been on the ballot. It was JFK who found out that getting elected as president was more about being a pretty face and being likable than providing substance. This all happened because of the Television

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Secondly, I don't hate America. Quite the contrary, I love America. I am merely expressing my constitutional right to freedom of speech in showing my displeasure of the new regime that will take over on January 20, 2009. You know about that freedom of speech thing, right? Oh, no, wait.....Socialists (and socialist is a polite way of saying "communist") HATE the Constitution!
    Anyone who would criticize a president while there are troops in harm's way must hate America. Why don't you go back to reading Mao's Little Red Book? You won't like it since there are no pictures.

    You say you love America. That's what all those long haired hippie types said when they were protesting the war and burning flags. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    I am, as you would expect, unhappy. Not with the election results, but with the future. And for the Record, I'd be saying the same thing if Sen. McCain would have won. My problem with the Obama Administration will be "Green" Issues, along with Common Sense and Political Correctness Crap. Anytime there is a Question raised about changing something to be more "Green", I look at it from a Cost-Benefit standpoint. If it's not worth it, I say so. Period. Sen. Obama has made some, to me anyway, frightening statements about Fuel Use in this Nation, particularly in the area of Coal and Oil. In my opinion, there are currently too many restrictions on Coal to begin with, Coal needs a less restrictive Government, not more. Same can be said for Oil, regardless of where it comes from. This Once Great Nation has pretty well lost it's Steel Industry to Competition from overseas, Not because of Technology or Ability, but because of Restrictive Environmental Laws. Since no other Country cares about the Environment, this Nation can not "Save the Planet" alone and it needs to realize that, drop the Green Crap and start dealing with important issues.
    I'm with you 100% on this one. You think energy was expensive last summer? Wait until we implement carbon taxes. Already the greens have given us ethanol, with a whole bunch of subsidies for the growing of corn for ethanol. This caused food prices to climb world wide as well as fuel costs. And in the end, there is more CO2 released into the air. But wait, they weren't done yet. Next they pushed for low sulfur diesel fuels. Which just happens to be the same stuff that runs my furnace. The result, my heating oil costs me 80 cents a gallon more now. Now I realize in places like LA were they only car about AC this is no big deal. But those of us in the down to earth rural areas care. And guess who gets the programs to offset that cost, the un-working people. It's getting to the point of being profitable to not work and let the government provide for you. Your biggest worry and complaint is the 3 hours you have to sit in the waiting room.

    As for the Global Warming nonsense - it has been happening for a million years without man, so it is a safe bet to say it will continue without him. Just look at the stuff put out by Al Hore. It shows that the earth goes through glacial and inter glacial periods about every 125,000 years. What is happening now is not unusual, but rather par for the course
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    Maybe someone addressed this maybe not..what if anything will Obama do more or less for the Fire Service specifically. Are we going to lose our grants to pay for his agenda?

    Just curious


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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Typical. You miss the point. 90% of the people who vote are CLUELESS!!!! As proof, look at DE where Obama got 95% of the vote from the black community. Do you really believe 95% of those people were really in line with what Obama was selling. Do you even thing that 25% could tell you where he stood on the issues? Do you think they could speak intelligently about the issues and wht they effects might be?
    How very elitist of you to determine what is best for others. That's how commies and socialists act.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Thats OK. I want to find out who initially predicted this, he was off by 14, DOW was down 486. And like their wisdom or not, It's a heck of a lot better than they crap coming from Hollywood. And it is what drives the economy
    The crap coming out of Hollywood drives the economy? Who knew?

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You leave, I was here first.

    But seriously. If we had an intelligent voting public neither of those two would have been on the ballot. It was JFK who found out that getting elected as president was more about being a pretty face and being likable than providing substance. This all happened because of the Television
    Blame it on the media. You should move to a place where the people think like you. That place isn't here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I would argue that many of the decisions to ship those industries overseas was more the result of usurious corporate greed.
    You seem to forget, those corporations are made up of people, many of whom own stocks in those companies. So it isn't just corporate greed, but also personal greed. And let's face it the American consumer doesn't help. They will almost always buy the cheapest product. So if my American company has to compete with the Chinese company, guess who wins, the Chinese company.

    No sir, it isn't greed that drives them oversees, it is survival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    How very elitist of you to determine what is best for others. That's how commies and socialists act.
    I am not trying to determine what is best for others. What I want is for those others to make intelligent educated decisions so that their poor decisions don't affect me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Typical. You miss the point. 90% of the people who vote are CLUELESS!!!! As proof, look at DE where Obama got 95% of the vote from the black community. Do you really believe 95% of those people were really in line with what Obama was selling. Do you even thing that 25% could tell you where he stood on the issues? Do you think they could speak intelligently about the issues and wht they effects might be?
    There is one problem with all the "black people voted for Obama because he was black" arguments. You guys are ignoring the last presidential elections:

    How black people voted:

    2008 Obama 95% McCain 4%
    2004 Kerry 88% Bush 11%
    2000 Gore 90% Bush 9%
    1996 Clinton 84% Dole 12%
    1992 Clinton 83% Bush Sr. 10%
    1988 Dukakis 89% Bush Sr. 11%
    1984 Mondale 91% Reagan 9%

    If you look at history it seems much more likely that the reasons blacks voted for Obama is not because he is black, it was because he is a democrat. If you look at these numbers you can clearly see that the black vote has always supported the white-democrat prospect for POTUS in very loop-sided numbers.

    83-91% of blacks have always historically voted for the Democrat. So why does it make them racist this year? At the most you have a 4% increase in black people that voted for Obama this year because he is black.

    Source
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    So true. Headlines like that keep referring to race simply point that out. It's just that now the racism has gone the other way. Who really cares? The fact is the African American community voted for Obama by 80%. That shows how much racism exists
    Do you even know the definition of racism? Considering who actually has suffered over the last two hundred years, you might drop your arrogant stupidity for a minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I am not trying to determine what is best for others. What I want is for those others to make intelligent educated decisions so that their poor decisions don't affect me.
    And how do you know the people you criticize don't believe the same about you?

    And how do you know there decisions are any less or more critical than yours? Because they disagree?

    Commies think like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Anyone who would criticize a president while there are troops in harm's way must hate America. Why don't you go back to reading Mao's Little Red Book? You won't like it since there are no pictures.

    You say you love America. That's what all those long haired hippie types said when they were protesting the war and burning flags. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Coming from you this obviously your attempt at humor. Right?

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