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    Chief KN and others,

    Thanks for the sentiments. That was almost three years ago and my kid is doing great. He has to take a pill every day for the rest of his life (we call them his 'roids).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firegod343 View Post
    Damn.....I haven't even thought of a Piggly Wiggly in years. They are all gone here in Washington....do they still exist?

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    Don't know if they exist anywhere. I just liked the way it sounded.


    Quote Originally Posted by Firegod343 View Post
    Chief KN and others,

    Thanks for the sentiments. That was almost three years ago and my kid is doing great. He has to take a pill every day for the rest of his life (we call them his 'roids).

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    Congrats with your son. That has to be a parents worst nightmare.
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    Folks,

    I'm calling it quits on this thread. I'll let moonbat and idiot boy have the last word.

    Hopefully many of you were as entertained as I during this exchange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Folks,

    I'm calling it quits on this thread. I'll let moonbat and idiot boy have the last word.

    Hopefully many of you were as entertained as I during this exchange.
    Thanks for providing some of that entertainment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Hey moonbat. Here's the deal. The COLB you dismiss as being incorrect uses the information that is on the birth certificate. The GOP Governor of Hawaii and her State Director of Health have both issued statements detailing their observations of Obama's birth certificate. So unless you want to admit they are both concealing there is a difference in the place of birth on Obama's birth certificate vis a vis his COLB then you are believing there is a conspiracy on the part of those two to conceal that difference. I know this rational logic won't make sense to moonbats who continue to reside in moonbatville. But at least I tried.



    Or it sometimes results in other suppliers willing to accept that rate of return. It depends on the commodity.


    Has that happened in the current "free market" system that is our health care industry? When did prices decrease with an increase in the quality of care delivered?


    This will matter to me when I live in Venezuela.


    You should speak with some American docs about their debts incurred while being in med school. Unless they get outside funding or attend state schools with publicly subsidized tuition, the results aren't much different.


    Would like to hear from the Canadian brothers on this forum regarding that comment.


    I have a friend in Massachusetts who got an appointment in three days. Maybe your friend should change dentists.


    How is that different than the corporate bureaucrats who currently control the health care system.


    It's also the system utilized by our military.


    And private health care providers never turn down a client for pre-existing conditions?


    That doesn't happen in the private sector health plans? Long waits or denied procedures never occur?


    I'm sure that's very comforting to the folks who serve our country. I'm sure they appreciate your attitude towards them while they are fighting for your freedom.


    And the GOP majority Senate Intelligence Committee issued a very scathing report criticizing the Administration for using flawed data to persuade their support for the mission.


    Which one of those nations issued resolutions prior to the war supporting a pre-emptive invasion. And thank goodness for the contributions of Eritrea, Micronesia, Mongolia, Marshall Islands, Panama, Nicaragua, Palau, Rwanda, Solomon Islands, Tonga and Uganda. We could have never done it without their support.


    They didn't exist in Iraq while he was in power. This is almost a convoluted argument. There was no terrorist activity in Iraq until we unseated Hussein and let the crazies take over. Another problem with that argument is he didn't have any WMD's. It would have been pretty difficult for him to use something he didn't have. But maybe in moonbatville that type of thing can occur.


    Not really. I can make the case that Christ would be considered a socialist by modern conservative thinking.


    There are some who believe that to be the case. Extreme libertarians believe that civic services such as yours should be paid through voluntary subscription fees. If you haven't paid for fire protection. Your house burns down. If you're next door and your house catches fire because of your neighbor's irresponsibility, you're SOL.


    Thanks. There is a reason envy is a deadly sin. Sorry if I was able to make the capitalist system work for me. I guess you haven't figured that out yet.

    Here's a hint. Ownership of capital is the key. Spending your capital on value losing assets (a bass boat for example) won't help you improve your station in life.

    I kind of feel sorry for you moonbat. You're obviously very angry and in denial over the causes of your underachievement.
    Actually, if anything, TXGP understates the problems in medicine in Cannada. I had a bit of discussion on another posting with ChiefKN and socialised medicine can work and does, but both the Canadian and British systems are screwed. The big problem is that even if you have the resources, you cannot purchase or go to a for profit health care provider because none are allowed. Its one of those great steps in equalisation and egalitarianism that has blown up. If you have a person of even moderate means who requires a hip replacement for example, they could wait up to a year.
    The Australian system is the best I have heard of although, France, Switzerland and the Czech Republic are pretty close seconds.

    As far as the other comments about President Obamas birth, give it a rest for Christs sake. He's your President and I wish him well in his endeavors. He's going to need every prayer and wish under the Sun to get America and the rest of the world out of the mess we have put ourselves in in the last 50 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Right here moonbat.
    I didn't see any quotes from the Governor, or DOH, declaring Hussein to be a "natural born citizen."
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The other problem with this one is the concept that an American citizen can be deprived of his citizenship without his consent, by a decision his parents made when he was 6 years old. Which they can't.
    Can you show everyone where the law substantiating this "concept" is? I'm sure that I'm not the only one who would like to see it.

    And his parents can do that. But there's a defense to it, called "defense of infancy". The question is, what did he do to regain his citizenship when he realized it? History shows he has done nothing. And his (or his mother's) ignorance of the law is not an accepted defense.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Money quote:
    They didn't say he was a "natural born citizen" did they?
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The COLB you believe is a forgery derives its information from the original birth certificate.
    You allege, with no proof to substantiate.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So you're saying that quality has increased in our health care system in accordance with the premium hikes?
    Confusion is something I fear you'll never be cured of. Premiums are paid to insurance companies, not to health care providers.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Depends on the commodity. I could cite cases where that hasn't happened. Gasoline being one of them. Many commodiities don't fall into that model.
    I double dog dare you to provide one example of a good or service, operating in a free market, where an price ceiling/control was imposed that was significantly lower than market prices, that didn't result in suppliers reducing their output, or some suppliers exiting the market altogether.

    And you want to use gasoline? You're making my point for me. You want a pat on the back?

    Just look at the 1973 oil embargo. Oil shortages weren't the problem, price controls imposed by Nixon in August 1971 were. Those price controls made selling gas in America less profitable than other countries that didn't have price controls. As a result, there was less oil available for Americans to buy, leading to rationing of gasoline and long lines. This is common knowledge in most of the world, and it's only news to the economically illiterate who reside in the libtardville zip code.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Not necessarily. A health care provider makes profit by collecting premiums that are in excess in the amount of treatment a customer needs.
    No, that's how an insurance provider operates. You're trying to associate insurance companies with health care providers. Some HMO's are of coarse a hybrid, but they operator more like an insurance company than a health care provider.

    An HMO is like a body shop being run by the insurance company. If my car was in a wreck, I wouldn't want it repaired there.

    If you want to see a big improvement in the health insurance industry, then pass a law requiring employers to give "vouchers" to employees who would choose to purchase insurance elsewhere if the don't like the employer provided insurance plan.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Whew. Good thing you weren't born with any congenital illnesses. Let them eat cake, eh moonbat.
    I didn't say I wouldn't help them. But it's completely improper to force everyone too. You're not knowing the difference is predictable.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You're free to call another physician that is approved by your insurance company.
    If you're insurance company allows that. Under President Hussein's plan there is only one entity to approve it. If you fail there, you'd better get a passport & a boarding pass.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You do have the freedom to go outside and self insure.
    In Canada you can't, it's prohibited by law. And under Hussein's plan, the entire "cash basis" providers are driven out, by subsidizing the single player system so heavily, the "cash basis" health care providers lose almost all their business, forcing them into the single player scheme if they intend to continue their career.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Hopefully you won't need anything more significant than a cold prescription. Or maybe you do have the means to pay for something like a heart transplant. If so, good for you.
    That's called a risk. And as long as people are free to both sell and purchase insurance against that, then the problem mostly solves itself. There is nothing more efficient that than.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The Bush Administration was very strident in its rhetoric. Calling Iraq an "imminent threat" if we did not invade and depose him. Your memory must be failing you.
    My memory is fine. We disposed him, and there haven't been any terrorist attacks in America since. The results are there for everyone to see.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And most of them are in the process or have pulled out prior to the completion of the mission. I'd say their convictions aren't as deep as you believe.
    Wait, you didn't ask about how many stayed till the end. You asked about those supporting a pre-emptive invasion. Once again, you try to move the goal line when you're losing the argument. Those assisting us to conduct said preemptive invasion were showing resolution in support of it. There's nothing more obvious than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Am I criticizing them for their involvement?
    You're being critical of them for a lack of effectiveness. They don't have vast Military effectiveness like America does. You choose to turn that into a punch line.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Hey moonbat. You been living in a cave? They came into the country after the fall of Hussein.
    So you're saying there were no terrorists in Iraq before the preemptive invasion. I'd like to see the evidence of this, but we know that you have none.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    One of the great myths believed in moonbatville is that Hussein and Bin Laden were allies.
    They didn't have to be allies. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    If they were in Iraq they kept a very low profile.
    Make up your mind. Were they there or not? Did Hussein keep them out or not? And just look at the make up of insurgents killed. Were they all foreigners? I know many are, but if our fight there brings our enemies into the place where our forces already are, then it saves us on traveling expenses.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Hussein did use WMD's on his own people. But he wasn't going to use them on anyone else since he didn't have any to use.
    None were found.
    "Absence of proof is not proof of absence." -William Cowper
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Here's an example. I'm sure I could find others.
    Matthew 19: 16 - 21
    (snip)
    Remember. I said I could make the case. I didn't say he was a socialist. I'm sure you can figure out the difference.
    Yes, the difference is that even Jesus advocates that we have a choice. Socialism provides no allowance for the individual to choose. The government takes without asking. So, you failed at making the case that Jesus was a socialist.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    If fires only affected the places of their origin that might be a valid point. You must not have fought wildland fires where the embers were the size of baseballs starting fires in homes literally miles away that caused other embers to be created. It's one of the many reasons this type of thought isn't embraced by folks other than moonbats.
    No, I've never fought a wildfire like those found in CA. But I thank those libtards who build wooden homes on top of hills covered in dry vegetation in areas known for high winds, for driving the costs of home insurance for everyone else up. That's no different than libtards who build million dollar homes on the beach front, then whine because a hurricane wiped it out.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    even if I did marry someone who was more affluent than myself, can you tell me why that would be a bad thing?
    I'm not saying it's bad in and of itself. But if you do it and then credit yourself for being a financial genius, then it's disingenuous.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Please explain your point here, because I believe I'm not the only one getting it.
    See above post. I'm getting carpal tunnel explaining things that you don't get.
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    I'm calling it quits on this thread.
    Oh, like when you said the same thing here:
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    I've decided to stop responding in this thread
    More lies from the libtard.
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