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    If you look at history it seems much more likely that the reasons blacks voted for Obama is not because he is black, it was because he is a democrat.
    You might as well cease your attempts at logical communication with this clown. He'll just cut and paste some other ridiculous notion he finds on Fox News, rightwing website, or AM radio. I mean, the suffering of whites in this nation at the hands of rampant black racism is just so overwhelming, isn't it? Every time I hear some righty spouting this worn out Rush line, I laugh my *** off.


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    More numbers:

    Election Results by race:

    Obama McCain
    White 43% 55%
    Black 95% 4%
    Latino 67% 31%
    Asian 62% 35%
    Other 66% 31%

    If you look at all these numbers one thing sticks out at you.

    The ONLY group that McCain won was whites. Is that because whites are racist? The white guy won the white vote, so that must make white guy racist. After all, the black guy won the black vote, so that means they are racist. And the Latino guy won the latino vote.......wait...but the asians voted for the asian guy.......
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    The ONLY group that McCain won was whites. Is that because whites are racist? The white guy won the white vote, so that must make white guy racist. After all, the black guy won the black vote, so that means they are racist. And the Latino guy won the latino vote.......wait...but the asians voted for the asian guy.......
    Now remember, the black population was only voting for the black half of Obama. Their unbridled racism would never let them vote for the white half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Now remember, the black population was only voting for the black half of Obama. Their unbridled racism would never let them vote for the white half.
    I think if you look at all the numbers, for ALL the groups, they pretty much voted the way they have always voted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Anyone who would criticize a president while there are troops in harm's way must hate America. Why don't you go back to reading Mao's Little Red Book? You won't like it since there are no pictures.
    Hmmmm I seem to remember someone spouting off the phrase "Idiot-in-Chief" multiple times, but we'll get back to that later.

    In the meantime, when did I criticize a president?

    And the book does have one picture, it's on the cover....It's a picture of Nancy, Harry, Obama, and you standing behind them on their coat tails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Now remember, the black population was only voting for the black half of Obama. Their unbridled racism would never let them vote for the white half.
    And in a sad way, you are actually more true than you probably think.

    If you are mixed, whites will treat you as a black man, and blacks will treat you as a white man.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFPCogs08 View Post
    Maybe someone addressed this maybe not..what if anything will Obama do more or less for the Fire Service specifically. Are we going to lose our grants to pay for his agenda?

    Just curious


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    Hopefully, with the majorities in congress, we will finally get a national collective bargaining bill passed for our brothers and sisters in the states that don't have it.

    As far as grants and agendas, who knows? The man has been Pres-elect for less than 24 hours for gawdsakes.

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    Congrats to President-Elect Obama.

    I didn't vote for him but seeing people lined up at the polls for hours to vote how can I even remotely be upset?

    Seeing people actually in the streets celebrating after an election is something I would have never believed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Hmmmm I seem to remember someone spouting off the phrase "Idiot-in-Chief" multiple times, but we'll get back to that later.
    You must have missed the part where I said I'm a born again patriot.

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    In the meantime, when did I criticize a president?
    What was your purpose in posting the Soviet National Anthem?

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    And the book does have one picture, it's on the cover....It's a picture of Nancy, Harry, Obama, and you standing behind them on their coat tails.
    Don't give up your day job. If you even have a job.

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    One question for you- Do you believe in redistribution of wealth?
    Sure. As long as its done under the conditions as outlined by our Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    There is one problem with all the "black people voted for Obama because he was black" arguments. You guys are ignoring the last presidential elections:

    How black people voted:

    2008 Obama 95% McCain 4%
    2004 Kerry 88% Bush 11%
    2000 Gore 90% Bush 9%
    1996 Clinton 84% Dole 12%
    1992 Clinton 83% Bush Sr. 10%
    1988 Dukakis 89% Bush Sr. 11%
    1984 Mondale 91% Reagan 9%

    If you look at history it seems much more likely that the reasons blacks voted for Obama is not because he is black, it was because he is a democrat. If you look at these numbers you can clearly see that the black vote has always supported the white-democrat prospect for POTUS in very loop-sided numbers.

    83-91% of blacks have always historically voted for the Democrat. So why does it make them racist this year? At the most you have a 4% increase in black people that voted for Obama this year because he is black.

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    In previous elections blacks made up 8%-11% of the voters (using your source), if the percentage is significantly higher this election I think "black voted for black" argument has some merit. How much merit? I don't know.
    Last edited by edge1317; 11-06-2008 at 02:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edge1317 View Post
    In previous elections blacks made up 8%-11% of the voters (using your souce), if the percentage is significantly higher this election I think "black voted for black" argument has some merit. How much merit? I don't know.
    This year they made up 13% of the vote according to CNN. The last cencus put the percentage of American who are African American at 12.9%.

    If nothing else, then good for them to come out and vote and make a difference.

    Based on them being 13% of voters and 12.9% of the total population, I don't think that they made a disproportionate impact on this election.
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    On a related note, whites make up 80.1% of the population, but only 74% of the votes. So it seems like there were a lot of people that did not get off their butts to vote.
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    Originally Posted by FFPCogs08
    Maybe someone addressed this maybe not..what if anything will Obama do more or less for the Fire Service specifically. Are we going to lose our grants to pay for his agenda?

    Just curious


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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    There is one problem with all the "black people voted for Obama because he was black" arguments. You guys are ignoring the last presidential elections:

    How black people voted:

    2008 Obama 95% McCain 4%
    2004 Kerry 88% Bush 11%
    2000 Gore 90% Bush 9%
    1996 Clinton 84% Dole 12%
    1992 Clinton 83% Bush Sr. 10%
    1988 Dukakis 89% Bush Sr. 11%
    1984 Mondale 91% Reagan 9%

    If you look at history it seems much more likely that the reasons blacks voted for Obama is not because he is black, it was because he is a democrat. If you look at these numbers you can clearly see that the black vote has always supported the white-democrat prospect for POTUS in very loop-sided numbers.

    83-91% of blacks have always historically voted for the Democrat. So why does it make them racist this year? At the most you have a 4% increase in black people that voted for Obama this year because he is black.

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    Excellent post. I'll give you that one. However the next question is why are blacks so in tune with the democratic way of thinking? I know of many who are successful, own businesses, and are CEOs. It seems like a greater percentage would be republican, unless it comes from years of being fed the same lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Do you even know the definition of racism? Considering who actually has suffered over the last two hundred years, you might drop your arrogant stupidity for a minute.
    Racism, by its simplest definition, is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
    So when one brings up race, there is some racism. In this case, the media, Jesse Jackson, Colin Powell, all of those who said a black man finally did it are in one way or another saying that he was inferior because he was black and that he overcame the odds. Statements like I never thought I would see the day. Also portray an image of inferiority. You people need to grow up. Obama is a man the same as anyone else on these forums. There is nothing spectacular or odd about him. Stop playing the race card and racism will go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And how do you know the people you criticize don't believe the same about you?

    And how do you know there decisions are any less or more critical than yours? Because they disagree?

    Commies think like you.
    When you hear things like How do I know who to vote for? How do I know if I am Republican or Democrat? You pretty much know they are clueless. My friend even said to them, don't worry about the party, pick the one that most aligns with your views on the issues. We are both having a good laugh over this. To get an idea of how uneducated people are just watch Jennie Most (sp) or Jay Leno when the interview people in the street. A lot of people are pulling the lever without a clue as to why, and in a lot of cases because someone told them which lever to pull. My 23 year old son doesn't follow politics or care anything about it, but just like me, he voted for Bob Barr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    More numbers:

    Election Results by race:

    Obama McCain
    White 43% 55%
    Black 95% 4%
    Latino 67% 31%
    Asian 62% 35%
    Other 66% 31%

    If you look at all these numbers one thing sticks out at you.

    The ONLY group that McCain won was whites. Is that because whites are racist? The white guy won the white vote, so that must make white guy racist. After all, the black guy won the black vote, so that means they are racist. And the Latino guy won the latino vote.......wait...but the asians voted for the asian guy.......
    Here is another one for you

    Age yrs. Obamaa McCain
    18-29 66% 32%
    30-44 52% 46%
    45-64 50% 49%
    65 + 45% 53%

    So as people got older, wiser, more experienced they stayed away from Obama.


    You will also note that McCain got an even vote between whites. Shows that whites are less concerned about race than the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfd1992 View Post
    Hopefully, with the majorities in congress, we will finally get a national collective bargaining bill passed for our brothers and sisters in the states that don't have it.

    As far as grants and agendas, who knows? The man has been Pres-elect for less than 24 hours for gawdsakes.
    Heck man, he has never done anything, so no one really knows what he will do. At this time it's anybodies guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    And in a sad way, you are actually more true than you probably think.

    If you are mixed, whites will treat you as a black man, and blacks will treat you as a white man.....
    Actually, I see it the other way around. If you are mixed, you are treated like a black by all races. What is really funny is that all blacks don't come from Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    This year they made up 13% of the vote according to CNN. The last cencus put the percentage of American who are African American at 12.9%.

    If nothing else, then good for them to come out and vote and make a difference.

    Based on them being 13% of voters and 12.9% of the total population, I don't think that they made a disproportionate impact on this election.
    I also saw that the number of first time voters was up a great deal as well. Seems they are hiding all of this data. It's hard to find.

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