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    Cappy ..

    Fires in abondoned structures here are very rare ... Less than 1 a year.

    Our area has some pretty severe poverty and most structures that are about to fall down are still occupied.

    When an abandoned fire does occur, involvement on arrival is generally in excess of 75%, due to the fact that most of the abondoned structrures are in the rural areas of our district with delayed notification and extended response times.

    We have had no significant firefighter injuries operating at abondoned properties. Shreveport has had some injuries operating in them, but they are in a completly diffrent ballpark in terms of number of abondoned fires as well as the fact that they must often be more aggressive than us due to urban exposure issues.

    Leading cause is arson, but that is unofficial ,as the fire marshal will not investigate abondoned structure fires due to budget restraints and we do not have a certified fire investigator on the department.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Cappy ..

    Fires in abondoned structures here are very rare ... Less than 1 a year.

    Our area has some pretty severe poverty and most structures that are about to fall down are still occupied.

    When an abandoned fire does occur, involvement on arrival is generally in excess of 75%, due to the fact that most of the abondoned structrures are in the rural areas of our district with delayed notification and extended response times.

    We have had no significant firefighter injuries operating at abondoned properties. Shreveport has had some injuries operating in them, but they are in a completly diffrent ballpark in terms of number of abondoned fires as well as the fact that they must often be more aggressive than us due to urban exposure issues.

    Leading cause is arson, but that is unofficial ,as the fire marshal will not investigate abondoned structure fires due to budget restraints and we do not have a certified fire investigator on the department.
    I think we have a terminology misunderstanding. It sounds to me like you are saying that you do not search fully involved structures. 75% is pretty much fully involved. In that case our department does not search fully involved structures either. We do attempt to save as much as possible for investigative purposes but for searching fully involved we do not. It does not sound like if you roll up and only one room is on fire you sit back and watch it burn down because it is "abandoned" but instead you still make entry and search if it is not fully involved. Is that accurrate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cappy05 View Post
    I think we have a terminology misunderstanding. It sounds to me like you are saying that you do not search fully involved structures. 75% is pretty much fully involved. In that case our department does not search fully involved structures either. We do attempt to save as much as possible for investigative purposes but for searching fully involved we do not. It does not sound like if you roll up and only one room is on fire you sit back and watch it burn down because it is "abandoned" but instead you still make entry and search if it is not fully involved. Is that accurrate?
    You'd do better to just smash your head into a ****ing brick wall than attempt a reasonable tactics discussion with that ****bag.
    Logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

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    Cappy ..

    Though most of our abondoned structures are well or fully involved on arrival, we do have a policy that prohibits us from enetering any abondoned structures.

    We have preplanned the majority of our long term abondoned and have deemed them structurally unsound for any FD operations, including search.

    If a member sees a structure in his area, he let's the depty chiwef know and we investigate the structure as soon as possible for structural integrity. In almost all cases these structures are deemed unsafe.

    SOP states that any pre-determined abondoned or any structure that the first arriving officer deems at likley abondoned is a purely exterior/defensive operation.

    I know to some this policy represents a life hazard to civilians, but it's our expereinces that the very limited possibility of occupance does not override firefighter safety in these structures.

    You'd do better to just smash your head into a ****ing brick wall than attempt a reasonable tactics discussion with that ****bag.

    Thanks for the kind words.

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    Cappy---they have a special crystal ball that determines occupancy. It's not available outside of Dumb****, LA.
    Logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

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    Yup. That's it .... A special crystal ball.

    We got it through FireAct. It was that or 4 FIT-5s.

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