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    Unhappy Teen Steals Unmarked Police Car

    Ok. First off, I want to be PERFECTLY CLEAR on one thing:

    I am not, and nor is this post intended to be considered "cop bashing" or any other criticism towards our friends of the law enforcement field. Purely and simply for informational (mine) purposes, which will be explained at the end. So those who may think I post this for malicious reasons, PLEASE put away the Soap Box, it is not required.

    Teen accused of stealing cop car

    Times Colonist Published: Friday, November 21, 2008

    WINNIPEG -- A 14-year-old Winnipeg boy has been charged in the theft of an unmarked RCMP police vehicle earlier this week. Winnipeg police said the RCMP vehicle was stolen Monday night, then found Tuesday in a garage at a city house. -- Winnipeg Free Press

    © Times Colonist (Victoria) 2008


    Now for the reason of the post:

    Ok, first of all I realize that this is an "unmarked" car, so perhaps the rules are slightly different, I dont know, which is why I post this.

    I am with the understanding that all law enforcement vehicles (in Canada at least) were equipped with lock-out devices. Meaning that unless you have the proper key, you can't start the car, let alone take it away. I know we don't have all the details, and for security reasons, likely wont get them, but just wondering what the Boyz In Blue think, and in particular what they might offer as potential circumstances that could have allowed this to happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
    Ok. First off, I want to be PERFECTLY CLEAR on one thing:

    I am not, and nor is this post intended to be considered "cop bashing" or any other criticism towards our friends of the law enforcement field. Purely and simply for informational (mine) purposes, which will be explained at the end. So those who may think I post this for malicious reasons, PLEASE put away the Soap Box, it is not required.

    Teen accused of stealing cop car

    Times Colonist Published: Friday, November 21, 2008

    WINNIPEG -- A 14-year-old Winnipeg boy has been charged in the theft of an unmarked RCMP police vehicle earlier this week. Winnipeg police said the RCMP vehicle was stolen Monday night, then found Tuesday in a garage at a city house. -- Winnipeg Free Press

    © Times Colonist (Victoria) 2008


    Now for the reason of the post:

    Ok, first of all I realize that this is an "unmarked" car, so perhaps the rules are slightly different, I dont know, which is why I post this.

    I am with the understanding that all law enforcement vehicles (in Canada at least) were equipped with lock-out devices. Meaning that unless you have the proper key, you can't start the car, let alone take it away. I know we don't have all the details, and for security reasons, likely wont get them, but just wondering what the Boyz In Blue think, and in particular what they might offer as potential circumstances that could have allowed this to happen.
    I had a take-home, unmarked vehicle for almost 20 years. I'm lucky it had a gear shift knob and four tires no less a kill switch or a lock out device.

    The potential circumstances were ( in no particular order);

    1. The vehicle was not properly secured and was taken as a crime of opportunity.
    2. The vehicle was properly secured and was taken as a stunt.
    3. The vehicle was properly secured and the bad guy did not know it was a police car.

    I think 3 is most likely. If it was 1 or 2, the vehicle probably would have been stripped of equipment and left abandoned. Being found in a garage tells me it was probably on its way to be sold, VIN swapped or chopped.
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    ^^ What he said.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    How'd ya like to explain this one to the Chief,or in Memphis' case "Police Director"?
    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...escape-artist/

    I'm not cop bashing either but don't you think even a rookie could have been posted to keep an eye on this jasper?At least it didn't happen during filming of an episode of "COPS".

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    Two of the FD vehicles assigned to me over the years were unmarked, a Crown Vic and a Chevy Impala. Both had the lights, siren, etc. provided AND I added some stuff on my own, Scanner, More Lights, etc. Needless to say, I made sure the vehicles were properly secured when unattended. I also had a "Bailout Key" (George and a few others would understand) so I could leave it running with the Emergency Lights on. This part of the world has seen a few vehicle thefts over the years, but in proportion, marked vehicles were taken more than unmarked, including several Ambulances. Each Ambulance theft was an "Opportunity" thing, and each thief was a nut case and didn't have "Criminal Intent" (Chop Shop, etc.) Probably food for a new thread, but I once had an unmarked Pumper for a few years..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    Two of the FD vehicles assigned to me over the years were unmarked, a Crown Vic and a Chevy Impala. Both had the lights, siren, etc. provided AND I added some stuff on my own, Scanner, More Lights, etc. Needless to say, I made sure the vehicles were properly secured when unattended. I also had a "Bailout Key" (George and a few others would understand) so I could leave it running with the Emergency Lights on. This part of the world has seen a few vehicle thefts over the years, but in proportion, marked vehicles were taken more than unmarked, including several Ambulances. Each Ambulance theft was an "Opportunity" thing, and each thief was a nut case and didn't have "Criminal Intent" (Chop Shop, etc.) Probably food for a new thread, but I once had an unmarked Pumper for a few years..............
    I think the unmarked pumper bit should be in the Probie and Fire Explorer thread,maybe under "How many lights....?" .
    Don't some departments have the ability to set off the lights and sirens by remote control in case someone isn't answering their radio or the unit is stolen?I think I read that in a Dennis Smith book once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    I think the unmarked pumper bit should be in the Probie and Fire Explorer thread,maybe under "How many lights....?" .
    Don't some departments have the ability to set off the lights and sirens by remote control in case someone isn't answering their radio or the unit is stolen?I think I read that in a Dennis Smith book once.

    LOJACK, my friend, LOJACK.

    PD recently recovered a stolen vehicle in this area thanks to LOJACK. The vehicle was a.............. Ready for this??........... BACKHOE! LOJACK is everywhere these days, and Public Safety Vehicles should have it.


    The unmarked Pumper was when I was working as a Driver for an area VFD, which had an older pumper rehabbed. When they got it back it was painted but not lettered. And, for whatever reason, they never got it done. It was sold about 6 years later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    LOJACK, my friend, LOJACK.

    PD recently recovered a stolen vehicle in this area thanks to LOJACK. The vehicle was a.............. Ready for this??........... BACKHOE! LOJACK is everywhere these days, and Public Safety Vehicles should have it.


    The unmarked Pumper was when I was working as a Driver for an area VFD, which had an older pumper rehabbed. When they got it back it was painted but not lettered. And, for whatever reason, they never got it done. It was sold about 6 years later.
    I'm not surprised that the backhoe had LOJACK. HEavy equipment theft is the number type of auto theft problem for insurance cos. right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    How'd ya like to explain this one to the Chief,or in Memphis' case "Police Director"?
    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...escape-artist/

    I'm not cop bashing either but don't you think even a rookie could have been posted to keep an eye on this jasper?At least it didn't happen during filming of an episode of "COPS".
    There is no way to explain it. Leaving a prisoner unattended in a police vehicle with multiple weapons is a huge mistake. In myh old agency, I would have gotten a huge number of days off.
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    D.C. Chief's Vehicle Snatched
    'Cars Are Getting Stolen Every Day,' Ramsey Says

    By Del Quentin Wilber
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    Tuesday, June 21, 2005; Page B08

    Wanted: Stolen car. Make and model: Ford Crown Victoria.
    Owner: D.C. police department.
    Reported stolen by: Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey.

    So goes the saga of car theft in the District, where even the police chief's department-issued car can get swiped a block from his home.

    "There is not a whole lot to add to it," Ramsey said. "The car was taken, and there was nothing of real value in it. Cars are getting stolen every day."

    D.C. police officials said Ramsey's black unmarked car was stolen between Friday night and Sunday morning from a street in Southwest Washington. It had been left there Friday by a member of the force's motor pool so Ramsey would have it when he returned from a one-week trip to a counter-terrorism conference in Scotland.

    Ramsey arrived home early Sunday. When he awoke to go to church later that morning, he couldn't find the black Crown Victoria, and he and his wife went to church in her personal car, he said.

    The chief said initially he thought there was simply a misunderstanding about where the motor pool officer had left the car. But yesterday morning, after another fruitless search for the vehicle, he concluded that it had been stolen.

    Police officials said they do not believe the thieves knew they were taking the police chief's car. No weapons were left in the Crown Victoria, but it was equipped with a police radio. Its trunk contained a large duffle bag filled with some of the chief's riot gear, police said.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062001003.html

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    Talking Huh??............

    Mike - I'll bet that the current Chief would find her car and catch the thief.....
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    By me the PD uses quite a few confiscated cars for undercover work so the street urchins don't know what they're driving. So as far as lock-out devices and LOJACK they don't install them as far as I know.

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    I'm not sure what, if any, disciplinary action may have been taken by the Dept on the officers assigned that car, but I'm sure a lot of very valuable advice was offered by mates and colleagues over cofee and socialising for the next few days

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    Back in 1998,some FBI types were in town for some exercise with the Memphis PD and had pulled in late to their hotel room.Being tired,all they did was take their personal luggage into their respective rooms to shower up for the night.
    At some point in the night,one of them looked out the window and noticed that the vehicle that they'd arrived in was not in its expected parking place.
    They had left some M4s,a couple MP5s,at least one tear gas launcher and assorted ammunition for all firearms in a locked box in the back of the Surburban.
    Believe you me,every time a Memphis cop came into my gas station,I'd ask if they'd found the feebs' lost toys and the cop would usually just have a good laugh about it.
    I even had to call my company's tech support office during that time and they were wondering what the latest was as soon as the guy put Memphis and lost cop guns together in his brain.
    Soon enough,the vehicle was found without its load of firearms which set off yet another intense search for any vehicle in the area.
    I am sure for a while MPD had some terse advice for their Federale counterparts.Maybe even jokes like offering to give them some ammunition and hand the agent a roll of caps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    Back in 1998,some FBI types were in town for some exercise with the Memphis PD and had pulled in late to their hotel room.Being tired,all they did was take their personal luggage into their respective rooms to shower up for the night.
    At some point in the night,one of them looked out the window and noticed that the vehicle that they'd arrived in was not in its expected parking place.
    They had left some M4s,a couple MP5s,at least one tear gas launcher and assorted ammunition for all firearms in a locked box in the back of the Surburban.
    Believe you me,every time a Memphis cop came into my gas station,I'd ask if they'd found the feebs' lost toys and the cop would usually just have a good laugh about it.
    I even had to call my company's tech support office during that time and they were wondering what the latest was as soon as the guy put Memphis and lost cop guns together in his brain.
    Soon enough,the vehicle was found without its load of firearms which set off yet another intense search for any vehicle in the area.
    I am sure for a while MPD had some terse advice for their Federale counterparts.Maybe even jokes like offering to give them some ammunition and hand the agent a roll of caps.
    This goes back to that ridiculous thread about locking your gun in your car outside your fire house.

    My stance remains the same: A locked vehicle is not a proper place to store a firearm. To do so is irresponsible.
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    A year or two ago Toronto Fire Services had a pumper stolen which was then taken on a high speed chase throughout the metro Toronto area. It was stolen from a Home Depot parking lot while the crew was inside. (not on a emergency run)
    www.firehall.com - check it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    This goes back to that ridiculous thread about locking your gun in your car outside your fire house.

    My stance remains the same: A locked vehicle is not a proper place to store a firearm. To do so is irresponsible.
    George, I understand your point, I think. Do you have an opinion of Vehicles with a so called "Tamper Proof" Gun Safe installed? My comment to a LEO Hunting and Fishing buddy on the subject was that if the Car is stolen, the weapon is gone, regardless of how well it was secured. A joyriding kid may not get his hands on it, but if the car is heading for a Chop Shop.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    George, I understand your point, I think. Do you have an opinion of Vehicles with a so called "Tamper Proof" Gun Safe installed? My comment to a LEO Hunting and Fishing buddy on the subject was that if the Car is stolen, the weapon is gone, regardless of how well it was secured. A joyriding kid may not get his hands on it, but if the car is heading for a Chop Shop.........

    It's better than the glove box, but w/o some type of anti-theft device (edit: on the vehicle), the risk of the weapon falling into the wrong hands is very high.
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    As George has stated, leaving any firearm in any vehicle while said vehicle is unattended is just pure bad news. I am sure its just the Army Geek in me speaking, but leaving any kind of weapon unattended is a theft JUST waiting to happen, and nothing good can EVER come of that.

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    Totally agree with George.

    If the weapon is locked in a lock box in the vehicle, it is still in the vehicle. Someone can get it if they really wanted it bad enough and had the time to take to get at it. now they have the conveinence of driving to a safe location to have plenty of time to work at it.

    I can't believe anyone could "forget" their weapons in their vehicle anyway regardless of how tired you were, especially all that hardware.
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