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    I know the standard applies on all new vehicles after 12/31/08. Do all components also have to comply on a refurb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptAP69 View Post
    I know the standard applies on all new vehicles after 12/31/08. Do all components also have to comply on a refurb?
    A refurb must meet NFPA 1912: Standard for Fire Apparatus Refurbishing, 2006 Edition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptAP69 View Post
    I know the standard applies on all new vehicles after 12/31/08. Do all components also have to comply on a refurb?
    I was just browsing over 1912.
    It outlines two levels of refurb, Level I & II.

    Level I is more thorough, and requires the vehicle to comply with current edition of NFPA standard, and requires the contractor to install new:
    • Cab
    • Chassis Frame
    • Front Axle
    • Suspension Components (Front & Rear)
    • Steering Components
    • Belts & Filters
    • Exhaust System
    • Fuel Tank
    • All Electrical Wiring & Warning Devices
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    Do the new 1901 standards apply towards a 1912 level I refurb also?

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    CaptAP69,

    You really need to read the standard yourself to form your own understanding of what's required and what's not required. I respect and trust the info that I get on Firehouse.com Forums, but like Ronald Reagan, I "Trust, but verify!".

    You can READ (not print or download) them for FREE by going to: http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/li...ookie%5Ftest=1

    Once there, choose the standard that you want from the list, and that will take you to an information page for the particular standard. If you scroll down to almost the very bottom of the information page, you'll see an option to view the standard (usually multiple versions are available, so know which one you want).

    Click the link that you want, and that takes you to a log-on screen. If you are a "first-time" log-on, you will need to enter your email address, and give yourself a password (save the PW for future uses!).

    You now have unlimited access to view any NFPA Standard! FREE!

    And here all this time everyone thought that NFPA stood for "No Free Publications Anytime"....
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    DFDCar1,
    Thanks for the link, that has been my problem, our Dept's last NFPA update is from 2003. We are just a bit behind the times!

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    Yes you can view on line for free, but you can also purchase and immediately receive on line for about $36. If you are working on a substantial project this is a pretty small investment. This also allows it to be printed and kept it in your application file. Copies make a great X-mas gifts for the chief who doesn't believe you or your sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptAP69 View Post
    Do the new 1901 standards apply towards a 1912 level I refurb also?
    Yes. Any Level I restoration involves bringing the apparatus up to current edition requirements of 1901. The few exceptions are things like the reusing of a 2000 model engine, it obviously wouldn't be able to meet 2009 EPA requirements. In a Level I refurb, almost all body and major chassis components (not drivetrain, unless specified) are replaced.
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    Just reading through NFPA 1901 (what can I say...I just can't sleep) and I noticed in the list of equipment that vehicles must carry, it says AED. So if you are going after equipment to come into compliance with NFPA 1901 and are looking at replacing hose, nozzles, and such, should you include AED's in there if you don't have them on some of your units? Would that make it an EMS grant?

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    If you ask for hose and stuff as loose equipment on a vehicle grant then it's still a vehicle grant even with the AED included. If an FD is requesting an AED on the equipment application it's still an equipment request on the Fire side, it won't cross over to the EMS applicant side of things.

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    I get what you are saying Brian but what I mean is if you are doing an operations grant to request hose, tools, and all the items to be compliant with the equipment that 1901 says you should carry, can you include an AED into this equipment in your operations grant now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not2L84U2 View Post
    I get what you are saying Brian but what I mean is if you are doing an operations grant to request hose, tools, and all the items to be compliant with the equipment that 1901 says you should carry, can you include an AED into this equipment in your operations grant now?
    Yes! We are going to get 2 AED's (1 for each truck) whenever we get our ops award.

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    You always could include one, but now it's a requirement so you must have one on the truck if awarded by AFG. So those that don't have any must include one as part of the application.

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