FDNY Ladder CRASH:

[1OLDTIMER]

NEW YORK (WABC) -- A fire truck and MTA bus collided in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn injuring six firefighters and 19 people on the bus.

Six firefighters from Ladder 103 were rushed to the hospital, two with serious but non-life threatening injuries. At least one was temporarily pinned in the ladder truck.

The LADDER truck was on its way to a CAR fire when the accident occurred.

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I don't think I understand anything that I know about this. A BIG LADDER truck...with SIX firefighters for a lousy CAR fire? It must have been reported as a real BIG, TALL car.

[Bones42]

Your right. You don't understand.

[FFFRED]

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I don't think I understand anything that I know about this. A BIG LADDER truck...with SIX firefighters for a lousy CAR fire? It must have been reported as a real BIG, TALL car.

This is why Sh*t for brains:

5-5-5-5
TONY SHANDS FIREMAN, ENG. 297
Oct 20, 1984 Box # 99-4310, PARSONS BLVD. & 20TH AVE.
HIT BY CAR

This man's untimely death lead to a change in our procedures.

Anything else you care to spout some ignorant BS about?

FTM-PTB

[FWDbuff]

Oldtimer, I strongly reccomend that you retract your statement, or better yet, delete your post all together, as it is quite obvious that you have absolutely no clue about what the hell you are talking about (as I previously suspected.)

One other thing- the guys are all going to be fine if you even care. Asswipe.

[1OLDTIMER]

Oldtimer, I strongly reccomend that you retract your statement, or better yet, delete your post all together, as it is quite obvious that you have absolutely no clue about what the hell you are talking about (as I previously suspected.)

One other thing- the guys are all going to be fine if you even care. asswipe.

1. And what is it that I don't know "what the hell I am talking about?" Could you be a little more specific...opposed to making a broad statement...without (really) saying ANYTHING...Re: the topic?

2. I strongly recommend (not YOUR reccomend) that YOU loose the "name calling." But then, since this is YOUR usual MO...that would be asking too much I know.

3. I don't think FDNY Ladder 103 has a pump, tank or hose...but I could be incorrect on this.

4. Regardless, why does it take 6 men, a huge 100ft+ ladder (racing through the congested streets of NY)...for a lousy CAR [not a big commercial truck] fire? Maybe you (THINK) they NEED; 2 people for fire control; 2 for a RIT Team; 2 for traffic control?

3. Only a very few years ago, CARS fires were handled with 2 men and a 400/200 Mini-Pump w/a BOOSTER line, but I realize FDNY probably doesn't have "minis," so how about an engine Co.?

[firefighterkid]

Engine for fire attack, Ladder for scene safety.

[FWDbuff]

1. And what is it that I don't know "what the hell I am talking about?" Could you be a little more specific...opposed to making a broad statement...without (really) saying ANYTHING...Re: the topic? You have zero knowledge of FDNY's standard operating procedures regarding incident/apparatus assignment.

2. I strongly recommend (not YOUR reccomend) that YOU loose the "name calling." But then, since this is YOUR usual MO...that would be asking too much I know. I'm sorry nancy, did I hurt your feelings? Just dont hit me with your purse. May I remind you however, that you are the one who posted the original smart-*** post which was dripping with sarcasm.

3. I don't think FDNY Ladder 103 has a pump, tank or hose...but I could be incorrect on this. No, it does not. But it was not on the assignment for purposes of hose or water.

4. Regardless, why does it take 6 men, a huge 100ft+ ladder (racing through the congested streets of NY)...for a lousy CAR [not a big commercial truck] fire? Maybe you (THINK) they NEED; 2 people for fire control; 2 for a RIT Team; 2 for traffic control? Obviously you did not read FFFred's post very well. Might I suggest you read it again? Or didn't they teach "reading for comprehension" in the one-room schoolhouse?

3. Only a very few years ago, CARS fires were handled with 2 men and a 400/200 Mini-Pump w/a BOOSTER line, but I realize FDNY probably doesn't have "minis," so how about an engine Co.?

I know this may be a foreign concept to you, but unlike the one-horse burg you live in, NEW YORK CITY has many, many wide streets, avenues and highways....all of which range from one to 6 or more lanes of travel in one direction. And, unlike your one horse burg, the entire world does not come to a screaming halt if there is an accident or car fire on said streets; the locals seem to make a game of seeing how close they can come to the cops and firemen while maintaining 55mph.......Do I need to draw you a diagram?

Now, in case if you were wondering what the 5-5-5-5 was in FFFred's post, that is New York City's bell code (you are old, you should know what I mean by that) for line of duty death.

Now, if thy thick head still prevents you from understanding, on October 20, 1984, Fireman Tony Shands of Engine Company 297, was struck and killed while operating at box Box # 99-4310, (Parsons Blvd. & 20th Ave.) There was no truck company there to act as a barrier for E297. As a result, FDNY changed their SOP's to add a Truck to all auto fires.

Had your original post been worded differently, such as "I was curious as to why FDNY sent a Truck to a car fire?" I would have treated you differently. But, like this time, the last time you posted something about someone else's accident, you came off as an arrogant, all-knowing ***. Therefore, you were treated as such, ***.

Oh, and one more time, just for clarification- the guys involved all suffered non life-threatening injuries, and are doing well. Just in case if you were wondering.

[1OLDTIMER]

I don't think FDNY Ladder 103 has a pump, tank or hose...but I could be incorrect on this. No, it does not. But it was not on the assignment for purposes of hose or water.

Exactly MY point there "MR. EXPERT...KNOW IT ALL!" A LADDER truck and MTA bus collided in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn injuring six firefighters and 19 people on the bus.

Six F/F's and nineteen civilians were injured...by a rig making a run to a CAR fire...with NO WATER, PUMP or even a lousy BOOSTER line. What were they going to do when they arrived...IF they had not smashed into the bus? Never mind...as you are intent on putting me down...and if it makes you feel better, you have succeeded.

However, I did learn a couple of things that have gotten me through the past 69 years...in my "one-horse, one room school house...rinky-dink burg."

a. Never get into a p-ssing contest with a skunk...as you have no way of winning.

b. An "expert" (which you obviously are) can be anyone in a dark suit...over 100 miles from his home.

The End........................... .

[BoxAlarm187]

Oldtimer: FWD may not always excel at using tact, but he did answer your question: ladder companies respond for blocking on auto fires in FDNY.

[FWDbuff]

Oldtimer- What exactly is inside that thick head of yours? Concrete? Solid marble? Sand? Sawdust? Because it sure as hell isn't brain matter.

This is why any reported auto fire that FDNY is dispatched to gets an engine and a truck:

Courtesy of WABC-TV
Four New Jersey State Police troopers escaped serious injury when a tractor-trailer plowed into their accident scene.

HOPE, N.J. -- Four New Jersey State Police troopers escaped serious injury when a tractor-trailer plowed into their accident scene on icy Interstate 80 in Hope.

Newscopter-7 was live over the scene.

Officials say the troopers were investigating a prior spin out in the eastbound lanes, near milemarker 12.1, when a tractor-trailer lost control just before 5:30 a.m.

The tractor-trailer skidded into another vehicle that spun out on the icy lanes.

The rig then smashed into a fire truck and two state police cruisers that had responded to the previous crash.

Four state police troopers escaped serious injury, officials believe, because the fire truck was able to block their patrol cars from taking a direct hit from the tractor trailer.

Eyewitness News is told the troopers were taken to the hospital to be checked out. Their police cruisers were totaled.

A motorist from the original spin out was also hospitalized with unknown injuries.

State Police said only the left lane eastbound was open as they investigated the crash. Authorities also had to clean up 300 gallons of diesel fuel that spilled onto the roadway.
Republished with permission of WABC-TV

I like that line about the skunk.....I have a sign hanging over my desk that you may enjoy: "Arguing with an inspector is like wrestling in the mud with a pig. Sooner or later you realize the pig enjoys it."

Oh, and yes, once again, since you have failed to ask (in your apparent attempt to throw them "under the bus", pardon the pun..) the injured members involved in the accident will be ok.

[nmfire]

Dumbass, your question has been answered at least 5 times now. But I'll answer it again since you're too stupid to comprehend it.

THE
LADDER
TRUCK
RESPONDS
TO
BLOCK
THE
ROAD
TO
PROTECT
THE
ENGINE
CREW

Does that help?

[FWDbuff]

So what you are saying is, is that the ladder company responds to block the road to protect the engine crew?

[jonnyirons2]

I have said it before. Its better to be second due than the first defendant. A safe response is everyone's responsibility. Luckily no one was seriously injured.

[Bones42]

I believe their ladders also carry hydraulic tools, in case any doors or such need forcing on the vehicles...

[ffmedic20]

"I believe their ladders also carry hydraulic tools, in case any doors or such need forcing on the vehicles..."

We send a ladder with an engine for car fires. one-to use the rig with all of those flashing lights for the safety of the engine crew. two-for the reason above, we'll use the hyd tools to open the hood from the side so an engine guy wont be tempted to kneel in front of the grille searching for the hood release or use a haligan to open the hood. three-help the engine crew get the job done quicker, picked up quicker, and get the hell off the interstate or busy city street as quick as possible.

[nmfire]

So what you are saying is, is that the ladder company responds to block the road to protect the engine crew?

More or less

[FWDbuff]

I believe their ladders also carry hydraulic tools, in case any doors or such need forcing on the vehicles...

You are correct bones, but only certain Truck Companies carry tools ("SOC Truck Companies.) I don't know if 103 is one of these.

And this morning, on "The Secret List":
This morning, in Anne Arundel County (Maryland) an engine company was blocking a crash scene in I-295 near I-195. The road conditions were really bad with black ice being a problem as well. Several civilian vehicles, losing control, struck fire apparatus as well as a medic unit. A civilian in a car was tragically killed as a result of that medic unit "struck" crash. No fire or EMS personnel were injured. One of their other engines was also struck at a separate scene but no one was hurt. More reminders of how "we" need to expect this to happen-and manage our personnel at a scene. Block and protect.

Wow...What the hell was an engine company doing at an accident scene where there was no fire involved? What possibly could they have done?

[nyckftbl]

You are correct bones, but only certain Truck Companies carry tools ("SOC Truck Companies.) I don't know if 103 is one of these.

And this morning, on "The Secret List":
This morning, in Anne Arundel County (Maryland) an engine company was blocking a crash scene in I-295 near I-195. The road conditions were really bad with black ice being a problem as well. Several civilian vehicles, losing control, struck fire apparatus as well as a medic unit. A civilian in a car was tragically killed as a result of that medic unit "struck" crash. No fire or EMS personnel were injured. One of their other engines was also struck at a separate scene but no one was hurt. More reminders of how "we" need to expect this to happen-and manage our personnel at a scene. Block and protect.

Wow...What the hell was an engine company doing at an accident scene where there was no fire involved? What possibly could they have done?

All of our trucks carry hurst tools. .....why are you guys even responding to this idiot though?

[Jasper 45]

I don't think I understand anything that I know about this. A BIG LADDER truck...with SIX firefighters for a lousy CAR fire? It must have been reported as a real BIG, TALL car.

Maybe you should educate yourself a bit before you start making accusations and dictating policy for a department, of which you are not a member.
I hate to tell you the bad news, but we send a truck company to every car fire in the city here, as well. Our trucks have no water or hose, either.
Here, all of our trucks carry hydraulic tools and power saws. Here, our trucks force open the hood and trunk, if need be.
We also supply additional personnel, and as has already been stated, we add a level of protection to the engine while they extinguish the fire by blocking the road.

So, take your attitude, your rolling eyes, and go hump some other leg. Your sarcasm is not welcomed, nor will it be tolerated.
If you didn't understand a policy, you could have asked a question as opposed to being a jag. You chose jag, so live with it.

[Jasper 45]

All of our trucks carry hurst tools. .....why are you guys even responding to this idiot though?

That's what happens when your team doesn't make the playoffs.